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Neither could the last one. What this country needs is a Democrat President and a Republican Congress. A Republican Congress and a Republic (Neocon) President is bad, a Democrat Congress and a Democrat President is bad, too. The only one that approached any functional approach towards sustainable government was under Clinton and the Republican Congress.
Totally agree, too much of one thing has always been bad. Too many republicans, too many democrats, too much sex, too much weed... moderation in everything is key. Sam Harris mentions how dangerous it can be for any one group of people, in his case fanatical religious people, in this case government, to get together and talk about important things without any criticism or opposition to their ideas, exact same goes for political ideas.

As far as Jefferson, he actually did try to get slavery abolished in Virginia. You should go see if your library has a biography of him. What you might learn could change your opinion of him.
Of most of the presidents, he'd probably be one of the ones I respect the most, I've got a positive opinion of the guy.

Washington, on the other hand, I just know that he resisted calls for himself to assume kingship and name himself Rex... of course, I am willing to entertain a debate as to whether or not that was the best course of action. Especially based on the policies of this administration and the last one.
The same pretty much goes for Washington in my book. Both those guys did their share of great things, but they both also did bad things. Much like most of the humans throughout history. I bet even Ghandi did some things you and I would consider pretty bad by today's standards.
 
Back to Ron pauil that I was asked about.. i say don't vote for him as he would split the tickets and make any election skewed.
What do you mean by that? How would he do that?

He is too idealistic for my needs and does not have a hard enough stance for a strongly built military and personally i do not want a pot head running the country..weird huh?
I think that's what we need, a guy with good ideas, not just a guy whose willing to run the same old fucked up system the same way till it fails. We need someone who is willing to say ''fuck being comfortable with shit that doesn't work how it's supposed to, we need to fix this, find a new way to do it better, faster and cheaper and then we need to teach it to our kids so they can do it and find better ways to improve it", we need a guy who knows how these complicated systems work so that when things go wrong, they'll know exactly what to do to fix them, or atleast have a guy who knows when he's not smart enough to deal with the problem, put someone in charge who is.

His military stance is "don't fuck around and cause trouble in other countries and we won't be forced to come in and show you why it was a big mistake" - a philosophy I completely agree with.

Show me ONE SOURCE that Ron Paul smokes pot. Total accusation, I demand proof.

but yeah I want a clear headed person in office at this time of life and Paul to me is like Ross Perot has so good ideas but is little to all over the place for me....I am at a diuscagreement with brutal though on the need for a democarate president as they just do not work out as that party has gone so far to the "ME" side it no longer can function as a controller of a entire group.
Democrat, Republican, they all have the "ME" mentality. Republicans get it through starting wars then giving our taxes to their buddies in no bid government contracts, Democrats get it through taxing us up front disguised as some new form of protection or defense, and the majority of us willfully give it up, in both instances, as if there's no other option... I've been beginning to have the "why the hell should I give them my money if they're just going to keep doing this bullshit with it" mentality personally... but that's just me, I'm just one person and since Paul didn't win, the IRS still exists, and in this wonderful world, our government can force any of us into an institution for years for not paying them the racket. Modern day mob boss's n shit.

I do think it would be nice to get a more balance congress with all ne fresh blood with a more moderate leaning but I would also like a strong moderate republican for pres whose focus is not on religion,abortion rights or wrong, does not make a stance for or against gay rights and is consumed with the rebuilding of or financial infulstructure and military needs.
Sounds like what the GOP is supposed to be...

I want a no nonsense president that the world looks at like ok this guy is serious we need to be on his side and not screw with them.
You can't accomplish that through intimidation. We need other countries to look at us as an ally, an important force in the world, not a force to be feared or fear opposing them. Just like TBT mentioned, and Sam Harris agrees with, as do I, too many people agreeing on the same shit with no opposition is dangerous, if your only other opposition is afraid to even oppose what you propose, only what you propose happens. Essentially any other opposition doesn't even matter.

What we have now and in a lesser version for Clinton is a total lack of world respect and a weak front man who has no idea how to be strong.
It's sort of stupid I have to mention this in any post I defend Obama, and I'm not saying that's because of you FF, that's not the case at all, just that if I don't mention it, someone will pull that shit and say I'm only defending him because he's black or because he's a Democrat.. or whatever the fuck other reason... That's not the case, I just say this because the way he's presenting himself around the world to other world leaders is better than the old way, the way Bush did, the fear way. People arent intimidated by him, they don't feel threatened, like if they don't agree with the policies he'll bomb their country... The entire world agree's, every single poll I've seen agrees, he's presenting himself the way the rest of the world thinks an American president should, people respect that. It's confident, he looks dignified, that makes him look like a strong president. Doing the shit Bush did doesn't make you look strong, it makes you look weak, like a guy who buys a Ferrari to compensate for his small penis, Bush flexed his military power to compensate for other political weaknesses.

I do not know who will be the one to fit this role and I do not know if we will be ableto clean congress out but that would be an ideal setup to me.Less give it to me for free programs. More bebfits to keep outsourcing down via tax breaks and cuts for companies and thier owners. I would like to see a heavier crack down on illegals one time and your done type dceal.
What do you suggest? Be realistic now... You can't go and round up all the illegals and send em back to Mexico, so what do you think we should do about the situation?

Border barriers would be a priority. setting up a nation wide school system so each state is on a federal regulated learning package all schools kids learn the same ways and at same levels.
Wow, terrible ideas man, both of them. Let me explain why I think that would be a huge problem. Border barriers, who builds them? How much do they cost? Who manns them? Do we build them along the Canadian border too? What's the protocal if someone jumps the border barrier? Shoot to kill? As for the clone, robot education system... you went through the American public education system right? I was just thinking the other night how much more of a daycare center the entire body of the K-12 system is compared to how much more I've learned being out on my own for 4 years! Treating every single student exactly the same and not building each individuals primary educational advancements limits their abilities. I can't evene express how much of a mistake that is. Could you imagine a world where individuals were treated as that and we had tons of people who were great at a ton of different things, instead of a lot of people who were OK at a few things...

I would be for a flate rate tax on working class people non business owners.I would like to see incentives given to those companies who add things like health care packages and worker stock options in thier companies.At this point this is all wishful think as we first have to get the dictatory out of office and reverse the massive damge he has inflected and try to prevent it from getting any worse then comes relection where we vote out incumbents for new qualified blood who are more middle ground whether demo or republican to even out the processes so things get done. An idependent company to oversee federal spending would be nice no more $5000 hammers, no more $8000 toliet seats. A resetting of the original checks and balance system we were founded on. I also would like it to go back to what is leagl and have the states vote and control the fedearl gov instead of the sates run by the federal government.
Agreed.
 

FilthyFletch

Mr I Can Do That For Half
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Back to Ron pauil that I was asked about.. i say don't vote for him as he would split the tickets and make any election skewed.
What do you mean by that? How would he do that

He would get a partial reepub and democratic vote but not enough to win either and then the actual rep or democartic votes are now not true representations of what they would have been but he would not have enough to win similar to Ross Perot throwing his hat in all those years.

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He is too idealistic for my needs and does not have a hard enough stance for a strongly built military and personally i do not want a pot head running the country..weird huh?
I think that's what we need, a guy with good ideas, not just a guy whose willing to run the same old fucked up system the same way till it fails. We need someone who is willing to say ''fuck being comfortable with shit that doesn't work how it's supposed to, we need to fix this, find a new way to do it better, faster and cheaper and then we need to teach it to our kids so they can do it and find better ways to improve it", we need a guy who knows how these complicated systems work so that when things go wrong, they'll know exactly what to do to fix them, or atleast have a guy who knows when he's not smart enough to deal with the problem, put someone in charge who is.

His military stance is "don't fuck around and cause trouble in other countries and we won't be forced to come in and show you why it was a big mistake" - a philosophy I completely agree with.

I am the opposite. i want ahrd line president who stands up tells you how we are and what will happen if you fuck with us. i do not want a well lets talk about why you attacked us or allow militants to train to attack us. i want ot hey if you support any group whio will harm us and fund them then you are a combatant. If they come for us will will come for them and no matter where we will act if acted upon.Bush was that kind of guy which was good. he left shit alone until they made that move then he said ok told you fuckers and he acted no bullshit he backed his word and that made people think ok he is for real not bullshitting. Clinton didnt have that and Obama is looked at like a little girl...

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but yeah I want a clear headed person in office at this time of life and Paul to me is like Ross Perot has so good ideas but is little to all over the place for me....I am at a diuscagreement with brutal though on the need for a democarate president as they just do not work out as that party has gone so far to the "ME" side it no longer can function as a controller of a entire group.
Democrat, Republican, they all have the "ME" mentality. Republicans get it through starting wars then giving our taxes to their buddies in no bid government contracts, Democrats get it through taxing us up front disguised as some new form of protection or defense, and the majority of us willfully give it up, in both instances, as if there's no other option... I've been beginning to have the "why the hell should I give them my money if they're just going to keep doing this bullshit with it" mentality personally... but that's just me, I'm just one person and since Paul didn't win, the IRS still exists, and in this wonderful world, our government can force any of us into an institution for years for not paying them the racket. Modern day mob boss's n shit.

We do not need a ton of remaking the wheel right now we need stability and can do it simply but we need to narrow it down. Like with Obama he is trying to do 25 years of rejected democratic proposal all at once in the worse possible economy ever and then he throws his crazy unthought through ideas in and is spending on things that should be done after we stop correct and reboot or country to a point where it will matter. If the country is dead the future will not matter.


What we have now and in a lesser version for Clinton is a total lack of world respect and a weak front man who has no idea how to be strong. It's sort of stupid I have to mention this in any post I defend Obama, and I'm not saying that's because of you FF, that's not the case at all, just that if I don't mention it, someone will pull that shit and say I'm only defending him because he's black or because he's a Democrat.. or whatever the fuck other reason... That's not the case, I just say this because the way he's presenting himself around the world to other world leaders is better than the old way, the way Bush did, the fear way. People arent intimidated by him, they don't feel threatened, like if they don't agree with the policies he'll bomb their country... The entire world agree's, every single poll I've seen agrees, he's presenting himself the way the rest of the world thinks an American president should, people respect that. It's confident, he looks dignified, that makes him look like a strong president. Doing the shit Bush did doesn't make you look strong, it makes you look weak, like a guy who buys a Ferrari to compensate for his small penis, Bush flexed his military power to compensate for other political weaknesses

I see the exact opposite and even his vice president saw it. Biden said every leader will test Obama and do so quickly since he is not a guy who is known via the world. His mistakes of submission and not following protocal or keeping a professional appearence makes him look like a very unpresidential man. He has no respect. Once countries like korea tell you fuck off Im testing missles launched at your country or Iran says he is a deciver in disquise sent to be a false profit to trick the middle east into a false friendship or lowering your head to a leader of a country where that gesture means you submit and are not equal or greater then was taken as him saying he was not an equal. thesee things show he is weak, does not know any standard protocal and in polls of US citizens its clearly shown he is viewed as a weak president who does not take hard distinct stands but rather avoids them to not have to deal with them.Not because he is black or a dem but because he is not caable of this position and never was even in the senate he had bad actions and porr decision making.

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I do not know who will be the one to fit this role and I do not know if we will be ableto clean congress out but that would be an ideal setup to me.Less give it to me for free programs. More bebfits to keep outsourcing down via tax breaks and cuts for companies and thier owners. I would like to see a heavier crack down on illegals one time and your done type dceal.
What do you suggest? Be realistic now... You can't go and round up all the illegals and send em back to Mexico, so what do you think we should do about the situation?

Why cant we round illegals up chip them and send them back. Bolster the borders with walls.fences, trenches and full survalence?The first time you get caught you get sent back second time you get 5 years in hard labor. you want to come work illegally ok now you work for free rebuilding america then you get deported after your sentence. Third time youy risk life or possible penalties for being a repeat offender which could be decided on a final punishment.

Border barriers would be a priority. setting up a nation wide school system so each state is on a federal regulated learning package all schools kids learn the same ways and at same levels. Wow, terrible ideas man, both of them. Let me explain why I think that would be a huge problem. Border barriers, who builds them? How much do they cost? Who manns them? Do we build them along the Canadian border too? What's the protocal if someone jumps the border barrier? Shoot to kill? As for the clone, robot education system... you went through the American public education system right? I was just thinking the other night how much more of a daycare center the entire body of the K-12 system is compared to how much more I've learned being out on my own for 4 years! Treating every single student exactly the same and not building each individuals primary educational advancements limits their abilities. I can't evene express how much of a mistake that is. Could you imagine a world where individuals were treated as that and we had tons of people who were great at a ton of different things, instead of a lot of people who were OK at a few things...

I belive each of your reason is wrong and complete the opposite of the effect. Who mans the borders? Our border patrol and national guard. they are in place already but have no tools to help them control these large areas. You can build these barriers to funnel to spots more heavily used. This will slow the number who enter or country, drain our economy and tax our health system. the money saved would fund most of this cost and more. Who builds them? our unemployed trades men do. They get paid to byuild america the reconstruction of america. it would give years of work to needing trademen and also that money would return to our economy while helping our countries families. Now on the schools your statement says its a good thing inner city schools with less funding no books and teachers with less education is a good thing as it makes us individuals.yeah drop outs, robbers, burglersm and welfare families. force a standard where federal programs fund the same kind of books to all schools, every school gets computers not just the rich one. Kids in same size classes and teacher pays that refelct the areas salaries so real tyeachers will care and take that job. Standardize tests so kids in compton learn waht kids in miami learn. Do not have bi lingual schools make them english and those who can not function will go to english teaching schools to assimilate those who do not speak or read english to our system and make them active participants in this society instead of a burden as they can not function. Tons of money saved to our economy. let all kids in 3rd grade have a certain level they need to be at to graduate to the next grade. stop the passing just to get school grant money.This is all good. you can be you but you have to really learn and be given the same oppurtunity as a rich district.
 

w1ckedchowda

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Back to Ron pauil that I was asked about.. i say don't vote for him as he would split the tickets and make any election skewed.
What do you mean by that? How would he do that

He would get a partial reepub and democratic vote but not enough to win either and then the actual rep or democartic votes are now not true representations of what they would have been but he would not have enough to win similar to Ross Perot throwing his hat in all those years.

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He is too idealistic for my needs and does not have a hard enough stance for a strongly built military and personally i do not want a pot head running the country..weird huh?
I think that's what we need, a guy with good ideas, not just a guy whose willing to run the same old fucked up system the same way till it fails. We need someone who is willing to say ''fuck being comfortable with shit that doesn't work how it's supposed to, we need to fix this, find a new way to do it better, faster and cheaper and then we need to teach it to our kids so they can do it and find better ways to improve it", we need a guy who knows how these complicated systems work so that when things go wrong, they'll know exactly what to do to fix them, or atleast have a guy who knows when he's not smart enough to deal with the problem, put someone in charge who is.

His military stance is "don't fuck around and cause trouble in other countries and we won't be forced to come in and show you why it was a big mistake" - a philosophy I completely agree with.

I am the opposite. i want ahrd line president who stands up tells you how we are and what will happen if you fuck with us. i do not want a well lets talk about why you attacked us or allow militants to train to attack us. i want ot hey if you support any group whio will harm us and fund them then you are a combatant. If they come for us will will come for them and no matter where we will act if acted upon.Bush was that kind of guy which was good. he left shit alone until they made that move then he said ok told you fuckers and he acted no bullshit he backed his word and that made people think ok he is for real not bullshitting. Clinton didnt have that and Obama is looked at like a little girl...

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but yeah I want a clear headed person in office at this time of life and Paul to me is like Ross Perot has so good ideas but is little to all over the place for me....I am at a diuscagreement with brutal though on the need for a democarate president as they just do not work out as that party has gone so far to the "ME" side it no longer can function as a controller of a entire group.
Democrat, Republican, they all have the "ME" mentality. Republicans get it through starting wars then giving our taxes to their buddies in no bid government contracts, Democrats get it through taxing us up front disguised as some new form of protection or defense, and the majority of us willfully give it up, in both instances, as if there's no other option... I've been beginning to have the "why the hell should I give them my money if they're just going to keep doing this bullshit with it" mentality personally... but that's just me, I'm just one person and since Paul didn't win, the IRS still exists, and in this wonderful world, our government can force any of us into an institution for years for not paying them the racket. Modern day mob boss's n shit.

We do not need a ton of remaking the wheel right now we need stability and can do it simply but we need to narrow it down. Like with Obama he is trying to do 25 years of rejected democratic proposal all at once in the worse possible economy ever and then he throws his crazy unthought through ideas in and is spending on things that should be done after we stop correct and reboot or country to a point where it will matter. If the country is dead the future will not matter.


What we have now and in a lesser version for Clinton is a total lack of world respect and a weak front man who has no idea how to be strong. It's sort of stupid I have to mention this in any post I defend Obama, and I'm not saying that's because of you FF, that's not the case at all, just that if I don't mention it, someone will pull that shit and say I'm only defending him because he's black or because he's a Democrat.. or whatever the fuck other reason... That's not the case, I just say this because the way he's presenting himself around the world to other world leaders is better than the old way, the way Bush did, the fear way. People arent intimidated by him, they don't feel threatened, like if they don't agree with the policies he'll bomb their country... The entire world agree's, every single poll I've seen agrees, he's presenting himself the way the rest of the world thinks an American president should, people respect that. It's confident, he looks dignified, that makes him look like a strong president. Doing the shit Bush did doesn't make you look strong, it makes you look weak, like a guy who buys a Ferrari to compensate for his small penis, Bush flexed his military power to compensate for other political weaknesses

I see the exact opposite and even his vice president saw it. Biden said every leader will test Obama and do so quickly since he is not a guy who is known via the world. His mistakes of submission and not following protocal or keeping a professional appearence makes him look like a very unpresidential man. He has no respect. Once countries like korea tell you fuck off Im testing missles launched at your country or Iran says he is a deciver in disquise sent to be a false profit to trick the middle east into a false friendship or lowering your head to a leader of a country where that gesture means you submit and are not equal or greater then was taken as him saying he was not an equal. thesee things show he is weak, does not know any standard protocal and in polls of US citizens its clearly shown he is viewed as a weak president who does not take hard distinct stands but rather avoids them to not have to deal with them.Not because he is black or a dem but because he is not caable of this position and never was even in the senate he had bad actions and porr decision making.

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I do not know who will be the one to fit this role and I do not know if we will be ableto clean congress out but that would be an ideal setup to me.Less give it to me for free programs. More bebfits to keep outsourcing down via tax breaks and cuts for companies and thier owners. I would like to see a heavier crack down on illegals one time and your done type dceal.
What do you suggest? Be realistic now... You can't go and round up all the illegals and send em back to Mexico, so what do you think we should do about the situation?

Why cant we round illegals up chip them and send them back. Bolster the borders with walls.fences, trenches and full survalence?The first time you get caught you get sent back second time you get 5 years in hard labor. you want to come work illegally ok now you work for free rebuilding america then you get deported after your sentence. Third time youy risk life or possible penalties for being a repeat offender which could be decided on a final punishment.

Border barriers would be a priority. setting up a nation wide school system so each state is on a federal regulated learning package all schools kids learn the same ways and at same levels. Wow, terrible ideas man, both of them. Let me explain why I think that would be a huge problem. Border barriers, who builds them? How much do they cost? Who manns them? Do we build them along the Canadian border too? What's the protocal if someone jumps the border barrier? Shoot to kill? As for the clone, robot education system... you went through the American public education system right? I was just thinking the other night how much more of a daycare center the entire body of the K-12 system is compared to how much more I've learned being out on my own for 4 years! Treating every single student exactly the same and not building each individuals primary educational advancements limits their abilities. I can't evene express how much of a mistake that is. Could you imagine a world where individuals were treated as that and we had tons of people who were great at a ton of different things, instead of a lot of people who were OK at a few things...

I belive each of your reason is wrong and complete the opposite of the effect. Who mans the borders? Our border patrol and national guard. they are in place already but have no tools to help them control these large areas. You can build these barriers to funnel to spots more heavily used. This will slow the number who enter or country, drain our economy and tax our health system. the money saved would fund most of this cost and more. Who builds them? our unemployed trades men do. They get paid to byuild america the reconstruction of america. it would give years of work to needing trademen and also that money would return to our economy while helping our countries families. Now on the schools your statement says its a good thing inner city schools with less funding no books and teachers with less education is a good thing as it makes us individuals.yeah drop outs, robbers, burglersm and welfare families. force a standard where federal programs fund the same kind of books to all schools, every school gets computers not just the rich one. Kids in same size classes and teacher pays that refelct the areas salaries so real tyeachers will care and take that job. Standardize tests so kids in compton learn waht kids in miami learn. Do not have bi lingual schools make them english and those who can not function will go to english teaching schools to assimilate those who do not speak or read english to our system and make them active participants in this society instead of a burden as they can not function. Tons of money saved to our economy. let all kids in 3rd grade have a certain level they need to be at to graduate to the next grade. stop the passing just to get school grant money.This is all good. you can be you but you have to really learn and be given the same oppurtunity as a rich district.
lol sorry bro but some of your "facts" about Ron Paul are incorrect.

He's the one promoting all the change that needs to be done in the country, including a less controlling and centralized government. He's also about going back old school to how the country was first run. You can't call Paul a "Republican" in the present sense, because most of the Republicans nowadays don't even feel or believe in anything he does. He's more of what the strict Republicans of the early 20th century and beginning of the country were about.

Strict constitutionalism, conservatism, trade with the world, develop strong ties with other countries and the world. Don't get engaged in wars that never end, especially the WRONG ones that weren't even declared upon. Pretty much represents the exact opposite of what's going on now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp5X-Xs-Nko
 

FilthyFletch

Mr I Can Do That For Half
Wicked not sure what you read. I never said Ron Paul wasnt about changing in fact i said exact opposite to that. Your right can not call Ron paul a republican as he is not and fromwhat I have read on him he doesnt follow the parties stance whether conservative or moderate which is why i called him an independent. You say he is like an old school republican? That means he is ultra consrvative as the republican party is now a more split moderate entity you have the old guys who are hard core conservative but great amount of republicans have anew more moderate stance so if Ron is one of those old republicans then he is hardcore anti gay, anti abortion, for religion in schools, anti world trade, anti drug and alcohol and anti world trade if you are not a proven ally. he would be for wars that will boost the economy and would be willing to flex hard core military to insure Americas place as a super power.. from what I know of him thats not what he is or has been so think you have what your trying to say mixed up as he is nothing like old school republican ulktra conservatives. Maybe he is more like the original Republic party which all minorities and what are now democrate used to be apart of back in our nations birth which has changed names but not a hardcore conservative republican by any means.

Strict constitutionalism, conservatism, trade with the world, develop strong ties with other countries and the world. Don't get engaged in wars that never end, especially the WRONG ones that weren't even declared upon. Pretty much represents the exact opposite of what's going on now.

These thing you stated are exactly what we do n ot want to be in charge of our country. the constitution has to have new ammendments to fit a new day and to clearafy its meaning but has to be done by the process set forth to do so unlike Obama who just shits on it and does what he wants even though it breaks the constituional declarations. We need les government which is what the new moderate republicans want but the new democrates that follow Obama do nmot want they want bigger government more involved in a socailist country which is Obamas plan to try to make us a socilism country and will fail. Trade with the world needs to be narrowed down to pressure those who do not pay tarriffs they cahrge us, to opressure countries who do not act with us on our policies and we need less world trade to help open our own natural resources and make us more independent on world goods to take pressure off us for being needy for what we already have on hand. Do not get engaged in wars? Not a US history guy i see as we always eneter wars that have our nations interest at hand whether direct, indirect or possibly in the future.You remeber how we took sides with whoever would benefit our new country the most as seen towards our wants and needs right? The freench indian war? The revolution we got France on our side using the stance england was her enemy and ours and we can tarde to you exclsuivley. We are a nation built on the ultimate hustle but have gotten lazy now and we need to get up and hustle and stop with the democrates "Me" tyoe attitude. Its not what will help you alone the most but what will help the most people in the country that is what is important and Obama is doing what does not help the larger population in fact he does what will hurt the largets population but some people just do not have a clue. He has pushed through the largets tax increase on the working class ever to be put in place and has implimented the largest job cut in current times. Thats not good soo Ron paul in regards to your statements falls in neither catagory but instead on a mix of ideas all over the spectrum which is too wide a stance to get anything done. Not a republican by any means and not aq true democrate by any.. An idealistic independent with some good ideas but not enough to be my president...a vice president or secratary of stae maybe but then with that attitude Ross Perot should be running our economic planning as he is very sound financial maker
 

bicycle racer

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its really too bad the basics of the republican outlook are fine but its been taken over by religious fanatics and greedy people. so everyone loses.
 

FilthyFletch

Mr I Can Do That For Half
it would be great to rid the world of religion it would make the world so much better but you got holy rollers and child moletser who wont let that happen....Just posted anothere great Obam socialism big government policy. You will now be forced to purchase government health insurance or will be fined minimum $1000 starting fine.. They decide if you cant aford it not you the person paying your bills. This man is fucking nuts..hers the article laying it out..

Senate bill fines people who refuse health care coverage

By RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR The Associated Press

WASHINGTON -- Americans who refuse to buy affordable medical coverage could be hit with fines of more than $1,000 under a health care overhaul bill unveiled Thursday by key Senate Democrats looking to fulfill President Barack Obama's top domestic priority.






The Congressional Budget Office estimated the fines will raise around $36 billion over 10 years. Senate aides said the penalties would be modeled on the approach taken by Massachusetts, which now imposes a fine of about $1,000 a year on individuals who refuse to get coverage. Under the federal legislation, families would pay higher penalties than individuals.

In a revamped health care system envisioned by lawmakers, people would be required to carry health insurance just like motorists must get auto coverage now.

The government would provide subsidies for the poor and many middle-class families, but those who still refuse to sign up would face penalties.

Called "shared responsibility payments," the fines would be set at least at half the cost of basic medical coverage, according to the legislation.

The goal is to nudge people to sign up for coverage when they are healthy, not wait until they get sick.

In 2008, employer-provided coverage averaged $12,680 a year for a family plan, and $4,704 for individual coverage, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation's annual survey. Senate aides, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly, said the cost of the federal plan would be lower but declined to provide specifics.

The legislation would exempt certain hardship cases from fines. The fines would be collected through the income tax system.

The new proposals were released as Congress neared the end of a weeklong July 4 break, with lawmakers expected to quickly take up health care legislation when they return to Washington. With deepening divisions along partisan and ideological lines, the complex legislation faces an uncertain future.

Obama wants a bill this year that would provide coverage to the nearly 50 million Americans who lack it and reduce medical costs.

In a statement, Obama welcomed the legislation, saying it "reflects many of the principles I've laid out, such as reforms that will prohibit insurance companies from refusing coverage for people with pre-existing conditions and the concept of insurance exchanges where individuals can find affordable coverage if they lose their jobs, move or get sick."

The Senate Health Education, Labor and Pensions bill also calls for a government-run insurance option to compete with private plans as well as a $750-per-worker annual fee on larger companies that do not offer coverage to employees.
 

Operation 420

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I don't even try to explain to liberals the damage Obama is doing to the country. They never state facts, it's always some regurgitated b.s. they heard on cnn or msnbc. Watch fox news when they have a dem on. They always avoid questions, even ones that require a simple yes or no response.

Bottom line is, we have a lot of misinformed sheeple in this country that believe everything they see on liberal run media. We will be neck deep in socialism, with the country in collapse and I bet people will still think Obama is doing a great job.

Don't drink the koolaid...
 

jrh72582

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I don't even try to explain to liberals the damage Obama is doing to the country. They never state facts, it's always some regurgitated b.s. they heard on cnn or msnbc. Watch fox news when they have a dem on. They always avoid questions, even ones that require a simple yes or no response.

Bottom line is, we have a lot of misinformed sheeple in this country that believe everything they see on liberal run media. We will be neck deep in socialism, with the country in collapse and I bet people will still think Obama is doing a great job.

Don't drink the koolaid...
So what would you do if socialist leaning policy would actually work? Would you eat your shoe? I'm not saying it will, but you seen pretty freakin' sure of yourself.
 

Operation 420

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So what would you do if socialist leaning policy would actually work? Would you eat your shoe? I'm not saying it will, but you seen pretty freakin' sure of yourself.
Before asking me this, ask yourself. "Where has Socialism ever worked?"

Looking at socialism's track record, I feel very comfortable in the fact I won't be eating any shoes in the future.

Even France's President Sarkozy warned Obama not to go down the socialist path, but hey, what would France know, I mean, they didn't try socialism or anything, right?
 
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PadawanBater

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I don't even try to explain to liberals the damage Obama is doing to the country. They never state facts, it's always some regurgitated b.s. they heard on cnn or msnbc. Watch fox news when they have a dem on. They always avoid questions, even ones that require a simple yes or no response.

Bottom line is, we have a lot of misinformed sheeple in this country that believe everything they see on liberal run media. We will be neck deep in socialism, with the country in collapse and I bet people will still think Obama is doing a great job.

Don't drink the koolaid...

Replace "liberal" with "conservative", "left" with "right" and "msnbc" with "fox" and see how much sense your entire post made, none.

I'm a liberal who thinks Obama is doing a god damn terrible job, see how far generalizations get you... :shock:
 

Operation 420

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Replace "liberal" with "conservative", "left" with "right" and "msnbc" with "fox" and see how much sense your entire post made, none.

I'm a liberal who thinks Obama is doing a god damn terrible job, see how far generalizations get you... :shock:
O.K. I admit, that was a blanket statement there, and you as a liberal obviously don't fall under that category.

Let me clarify. I mean the far left crazy ass liberals that believe Obama is the second coming of Christ.
 
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PadawanBater

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O.K. I admit, that was a blanket statement there, and you as a liberal obviously don't fall under that category.

Let me clarify. I mean the far left crazy ass liberals that believe Obama is the second coming of Christ.

ROFL, agreed.

I want to personally slap every single fanatic on the planet, left, right, all of em.
 

jrh72582

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Replace "liberal" with "conservative", "left" with "right" and "msnbc" with "fox" and see how much sense your entire post made, none.

I'm a liberal who thinks Obama is doing a god damn terrible job, see how far generalizations get you... :shock:
Operation 420 is officially owned.
 
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