bacterea that increases plant growth!

axisofevil

axisofevil

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at brookhaven lab, they have found the bacteria that increases plant growth, by having s symbiotic relationship with plants, does anyone know if this bacteria, if obtained, will increse cannabis biomater growth?

LINK : google search :
strain S. proteamaculans 568

find articles that are recent, they are easy to find... theres only like 35 results.

take care
 
TeaTreeOil

TeaTreeOil

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There are a bunch of soil microbes which eat complex compounds and excrete plant-soluble nutrients. They also eat bad microbes which can cause root rot, mold, etc. This is why organic growing is so beneficial, as the soil(typically from organic compost) is full of helpful microbes.
 
axisofevil

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Tyrannabudz said:
Mycorrizhae. Is a great beneficial bacteria. I use a product called Soil Secrets.
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you know thats some very useful information, thanks. i will look into that, in fact i remember learning all about the symbiotic relationship between this organism and plants in college! great:mrgreen:
 
curious.george

curious.george

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axisofevil said:
at brookhaven lab, they have found the bacteria that increases plant growth, by having s symbiotic relationship with plants, does anyone know if this bacteria, if obtained, will increse cannabis biomater growth?

LINK : google search :
strain S. proteamaculans 568

find articles that are recent, they are easy to find... theres only like 35 results.

take care
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Microbes are not all created equal. There are different levels of symbiotic relationships here; some help the plant indirectly because they compete with pathogens and do not hurt the plant. Others will break down dead plant matter in to useable nutrients. Some help hold the soil together, others help move nutrients in the soil.

The stuff I use gives me great results and is worth the money to me. I use this stuff from fungi.com which contains bacteria:

Beneficial Bacteria Bacillus subtillus, Bacillus licheniformis, Bacillus azotoformans, Bacillus megaterium, Bacillus coagulans, Bacillus pumlis, Bacillus thuringiensis, Bacillus stearothermiphilis, Paenibacillus polymyxa, Paenibacillus durum, Paenibacillus florescence, Paenibacillus gordonae, Azotobacter polymyxa, Azotobacter chroococcum, Sacchromyces cervisiae, Streptomyces griseues, Streptomyces lydicus, Pseudomonas aureofaceans, Deinococcus erythromyxa

and fungus:

Endomycorrhizal fungi
Glomus intraradices, Glomus mosseae, Glomus aggregatum, Glomus clarum, Glomus deserticola, Glomus etunicatum, Gigaspora margarita, Gigaspora brasilianum, Gigaspora monosporum


Ectomycorrhizal fungi Rhizopogon villosullus, Rhizopogon luteolus, Rhizopogon amylopogon, Rhizopogon fulvigleba, Pisolithus tinctorius, Laccaria bicolor, Laccaria laccata, Scleroderma cepa, Scleroderma citrinum, Suillus granulatas, Suillus punctatapies
Trichoderma Trichoderma harzianum, Trichoderma konigii
 
smppro

smppro

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curious.george said:
Microbes are not all created equal. There are different levels of symbiotic relationships here; some help the plant indirectly because they compete with pathogens and do not hurt the plant. Others will break down dead plant matter in to useable nutrients. Some help hold the soil together, others help move nutrients in the soil.

The stuff I use gives me great results and is worth the money to me. I use this stuff from fungi.com which contains bacteria:

Beneficial Bacteria Bacillus subtillus, Bacillus licheniformis, Bacillus azotoformans, Bacillus megaterium, Bacillus coagulans, Bacillus pumlis, Bacillus thuringiensis, Bacillus stearothermiphilis, Paenibacillus polymyxa, Paenibacillus durum, Paenibacillus florescence, Paenibacillus gordonae, Azotobacter polymyxa, Azotobacter chroococcum, Sacchromyces cervisiae, Streptomyces griseues, Streptomyces lydicus, Pseudomonas aureofaceans, Deinococcus erythromyxa

and fungus:

Endomycorrhizal fungi
Glomus intraradices, Glomus mosseae, Glomus aggregatum, Glomus clarum, Glomus deserticola, Glomus etunicatum, Gigaspora margarita, Gigaspora brasilianum, Gigaspora monosporum


Ectomycorrhizal fungi Rhizopogon villosullus, Rhizopogon luteolus, Rhizopogon amylopogon, Rhizopogon fulvigleba, Pisolithus tinctorius, Laccaria bicolor, Laccaria laccata, Scleroderma cepa, Scleroderma citrinum, Suillus granulatas, Suillus punctatapies
Trichoderma Trichoderma harzianum, Trichoderma konigii
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sounds nice how much is it. I guess i like the epsoma cause it cheap and i can pick it up,$8 for 4lbs here what it has.

Non-Plant Food Ingredients:
Contains 5,678,688 colony forming units (CFU’s) per lb. (378,579 CFU’s per lb. each of the following 15 species):
Bacillus subtilis
Paenibacillus polymyxa
Bacillus licheniformis
Pseudomonas alcaligenes
Bacillus megaterium
Pseudomonas chlororaphis
Bacillus marinus
Pseudomonas putida
Bacillus coagulans
Acidovorax facilis
Bacillus thuringiensis
Arthrobacter agilis
Bacillus pumilis
Rhodococcus rhodochorus
Bacillus lentimorbus Ectomycorrhizal Fungi: 44,200,000 propagules/lb. of the following 8 species:
Pisiolithus tinctorius (40,000,000 propagules/lb.)
Scleroderma Citrinni (1,000,000 propagules/lb.)
Scleroderma Cepa (1,000,000 propagules/lb.)
Laccaria Bicolor (200,000 propagules/lb.)
Rhizopogon Roseolus (500,000 propagules/lb.)
Rhizopogon Subscaerelescens (500,000 propagules/lb.)
Rhizopogon villosuli (500,000 propagules/lb.)
Endomycorrhizal Fungi: 1,200 propagules per lb. of the following 2 species:
Glomus aggregatum (600 propagules/lb.)
Glomus intraradices (600 propagules/lb.)

Sizes: Available in 4 lb. and 25 lb. bags
Bio-tone® Starter Plus is an all natural plant food enhanced with biostimulants, beneficial bacteria and mycorrhizae. This proprietary formula works naturally within the soil to help plants establish fast, withstand environmental stress, promote deeper roots better blooms ,and improve soil structure.

Microbe enhanced all natural plant food
Includes both Endo & Ecto Mycorrhizae
 
curious.george

curious.george

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smppro said:
sounds nice how much is it.
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It's pricey, about $75 a pound. But its concentrated stuff, its basically 100% spores, they say to dilute it a lot. I use it at about 100 times the recommended dosage.

smppro said:
I guess i like the epsoma cause it cheap and i can pick it up,$8 for 4lbs here what it has.

Non-Plant Food Ingredients:
Contains 5,678,688 colony forming units (CFU’s) per lb.
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I have seen this reference to CFU (colony forming units) and found it suspicious. The thing is you could take pure spores and dilute it with something inert to make it weigh more. So the fact that someone is making some claim about some concentration of there stuff makes me wounder just how much its cut.


smppro said:
(378,579 CFU’s per lb. each of the following 15 species):
Bacillus subtilis
Paenibacillus polymyxa
Bacillus licheniformis
Pseudomonas alcaligenes
Bacillus megaterium
Pseudomonas chlororaphis
Bacillus marinus
Pseudomonas putida
Bacillus coagulans
Acidovorax facilis
Bacillus thuringiensis
Arthrobacter agilis
Bacillus pumilis
Rhodococcus rhodochorus
Bacillus lentimorbus Ectomycorrhizal Fungi: 44,200,000 propagules/lb. of the following 8 species:
Pisiolithus tinctorius (40,000,000 propagules/lb.)
Scleroderma Citrinni (1,000,000 propagules/lb.)
Scleroderma Cepa (1,000,000 propagules/lb.)
Laccaria Bicolor (200,000 propagules/lb.)
Rhizopogon Roseolus (500,000 propagules/lb.)
Rhizopogon Subscaerelescens (500,000 propagules/lb.)
Rhizopogon villosuli (500,000 propagules/lb.)
Endomycorrhizal Fungi: 1,200 propagules per lb. of the following 2 species:
Glomus aggregatum (600 propagules/lb.)
Glomus intraradices (600 propagules/lb.)

Sizes: Available in 4 lb. and 25 lb. bags
Bio-tone® Starter Plus is an all natural plant food enhanced with biostimulants, beneficial bacteria and mycorrhizae. This proprietary formula works naturally within the soil to help plants establish fast, withstand environmental stress, promote deeper roots better blooms ,and improve soil structure.

Microbe enhanced all natural plant food
Includes both Endo & Ecto Mycorrhizae
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Lots of good stuff.
 
curious.george

curious.george

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curious.george said:
Nope, not in epsom salt. The bacteria and fungus that I list is good for plants and I purchase it form fungi.com its called myco grow.
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smppro said:
Not epsom salt, Espoma Brand, its called Bio-tone
http://www.espoma.com/p_consumer/biotone_02.html
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salt containing spores, kind of funny. we seem to be on the same basic idea with our fungi.

Any interests in doing some experiments, to try and determine just how good these 2 products are? My grow room is kinda full, but we could do some simple tests with another plant like basil and since it summer just do it outdoors. I have been experimenting on my own by simply mixing the stuff with a strong organic and observing the fungi growth. If you would be interested in each of us doing some tests and posting the results here? Got any interest, ideas? Could be fun.
 
stupid

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Just as a side note.

I used general hydro's sub culture in my dwc buckets, and all it did was stick to the roots and stunt my plant. If you aren't useing media its not a good idea.

I'v tried it in soil too, with no noticable affect on yeild or plant health.
some people sware to it. I sware at thoes people.
 
groputillor

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curious.george said:
Microbes are not all created equal. There are different levels of symbiotic relationships here; some help the plant indirectly because they compete with pathogens and do not hurt the plant. Others will break down dead plant matter in to useable nutrients. Some help hold the soil together, others help move nutrients in the soil.

The stuff I use gives me great results and is worth the money to me. I use this stuff from fungi.com which contains bacteria:

Beneficial Bacteria Bacillus subtillus, Bacillus licheniformis, Bacillus azotoformans, Bacillus megaterium, Bacillus coagulans, Bacillus pumlis, Bacillus thuringiensis, Bacillus stearothermiphilis, Paenibacillus polymyxa, Paenibacillus durum, Paenibacillus florescence, Paenibacillus gordonae, Azotobacter polymyxa, Azotobacter chroococcum, Sacchromyces cervisiae, Streptomyces griseues, Streptomyces lydicus, Pseudomonas aureofaceans, Deinococcus erythromyxa

and fungus:

Endomycorrhizal fungi
Glomus intraradices, Glomus mosseae, Glomus aggregatum, Glomus clarum, Glomus deserticola, Glomus etunicatum, Gigaspora margarita, Gigaspora brasilianum, Gigaspora monosporum


Ectomycorrhizal fungi Rhizopogon villosullus, Rhizopogon luteolus, Rhizopogon amylopogon, Rhizopogon fulvigleba, Pisolithus tinctorius, Laccaria bicolor, Laccaria laccata, Scleroderma cepa, Scleroderma citrinum, Suillus granulatas, Suillus punctatapies
Trichoderma Trichoderma harzianum, Trichoderma konigii
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Can you say what the exact product is called on fungi.com please? I'm a noob and I don't wanna buy the wrong stuff.

Can I use it in my foxfarm ocean forest soil?

Can I come to you with more questions once I start using it?
 
curious.george

curious.george

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stupid said:
Just as a side note.

I used general hydro's sub culture in my dwc buckets, and all it did was stick to the roots and stunt my plant. If you aren't useing media its not a good idea.

I'v tried it in soil too, with no noticable affect on yeild or plant health.
some people sware to it. I sware at thoes people.
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Yea, I had similar experience. We have a aerogarden with some herbs growing in it. I tried the stuff in that thing and it was a big mess. Just as you say stuck to roots and muck things up. We had to clean out the aerogarden and sterilize it to get it to work.

Other times I have uses it in soil and I put the spores in there and killed them right away with chlorinated water and salt nutes. No effect at all and I wasted the stuff.

I have experimented with it a lot, quit using it in favor of H2O2 at one point, I went back to using it because I found if I use it right I save money on pathogen control, and get smoother transplants.


groputillor said:
Can you say what the exact product is called on fungi.com please? I'm a noob and I don't wanna buy the wrong stuff.

Can I use it in my foxfarm ocean forest soil?

Can I come to you with more questions once I start using it?
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MycoGrow™ Soluble for Potting Soils & Rooting Media
http://www.fungi.com/mycogrow/index.html
They sell 1oz quantity in a little baggie and 1lb in a big jar. The 1oz is plenty if you want to just do a few batches of plants in soil. I like the 1lb because the big jar makes it easier to get a little bit out and use it efficiently. But nearly $80 is a lot to spend.


yes in soil you can use it and I can answer your questions, but I am not a biologist, just a closet weed farmer.

I use it with some "alaska fish fertilize 5-1-1" it's cheep stuff but it feeds the fungi. The fox farm soil you have (which I have never used) supposedly has earthworm castings, and bat guano in it, so you may not need to use the fish fertilizer that I recommend. I had really bad luck with those sugary additives like molasses as they fed the stuff in such a way to mess up my ph. One thing is that you currently do have microbes in your soil, it's organic poop based soil so it must have microbes growing in it already. I use coco coir and I start with a basically sterile medium, if I don't feed the microbes they die straight away. So I use the fish stuff along with the water and spores when I initially hydrate my medium. So for me the spores I add have no competition from local microbes and this way I am 100% sure the microbes I see are the ones I grew. In your case it will be different, the spores you add will need to compete with the local microbes. I also use the stuff in my outdoor vegetable garden and people tell me my garden looks like it's on steroids compared to the neighbor's. The thing is I do a lot of things differently from my neighbor.
 
smppro

smppro

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curious.george said:
salt containing spores, kind of funny. we seem to be on the same basic idea with our fungi.

Any interests in doing some experiments, to try and determine just how good these 2 products are? My grow room is kinda full, but we could do some simple tests with another plant like basil and since it summer just do it outdoors. I have been experimenting on my own by simply mixing the stuff with a strong organic and observing the fungi growth. If you would be interested in each of us doing some tests and posting the results here? Got any interest, ideas? Could be fun.
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That actually sounds cool I've been curious myself and I have lots of veggies outside right now,basil sounds good. I can say I after a week my mix has fungi covering the top hopefully it's the right kind. Are we gong to feed with same nutes and soil mix? I have a pretty good variety of mediums and nutes available. What do you want to use?
 
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