Well 7x I am just looking at the present state of things, and yeah alot of what you say is true, but lets be realistic, income tax is not going away so I just want the rich to pay the same percentage as me. The same is relevant for greedy lawer scumbags, you are right, they are the big part of the problem, but to prohibit them from doing what they are doing would be ellegal, after all , every single one of them has clients who think they are intiteled...
The Sage of South Central comments on taxpayer subsidies.
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7xstall
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income tax will go away if America will stand up and call for change. they can't take millions of us to jail! they can't stop us from voting for true public servants instead of corrupted maggots. we can end the corruption, it's in our power, don't let them fool you!
btw, the rich already pay more than you at a higher percentage than you. that's another manipulation tactic they use on people to make us mad and keep our eyes off the ball.
as far as tort reform being illegal the civil courts are part of the government and last i checked the government works for us. once again, will we stand up and call for change? the judges in big claim courts should be required to make realistic rulings. they should also be required to specify what amount goes to pay the court for its service and payments to the lawyers should be made public. those lawyers take 80% and MORE when they win! it's disgusting and i bet they would lose business quick if people saw how greedy and deceptive they are!
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medicineman
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7xstall
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that's true med, some of them take 33%. even then they usually start off with 33% but they add on the hourly fees and charges for office work and paralegals, this can often run OVER 80% when all is said and done. do you think they aren't making profit when they bill a $14/hour paralegal at $125/hour? do you think they aren't making profit when they bill you $.25/sheet for copies, and that's cheap!?
don't make me dredge up tons of examples, you've been around long enough to know how it works.
another interesting fact to consider: 98% of the money that trial lawyers gave in the 2000 elections went to the democrats. clearly, there is a reason for that. we have to end the corruption! those politicians are trading the health insurance of struggling families for their careers! this is absolutely unacceptable.
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don't make me dredge up tons of examples, you've been around long enough to know how it works.
another interesting fact to consider: 98% of the money that trial lawyers gave in the 2000 elections went to the democrats. clearly, there is a reason for that. we have to end the corruption! those politicians are trading the health insurance of struggling families for their careers! this is absolutely unacceptable.
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medicineman
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You say the trial lawyers cause the exhorbitant costs of health care. They might add a few bucks to a gynocological exam, but I say it is the greed of private enterprise that adds the lions share, the greedy HMOs and Insurance companies that make it impossible for the average worker to afford reasonable health care. Think about this: If the government took over health care, do you honestly think they'd let ambulance chasing attorneys get their hooks into government bucks, not a chance. they would set a cap on damages and the days of greedy attorneys would be over, see another reason to nationalize health care, get rid of scumbag attorneys and their outrageous fees.
7xstall
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the socialists always protect their own med, look at history. lawyers sue cops for defending themselves!! guess what, they win and they win BIG! lawyers sue the government for all kinds of things, just because we throw away one the great American institutions doesn't mean those corrupt lawyers won't still be getting richer and richer - they'll just be stealing our tax money.
and, btw, it's not me saying that liability insurance (which is caused by trial lawyers) is ruining our health care system, it's the doctors that i talk to face to face and they've been saying it for decades but nothing gets done about it. ask one yourself! nationwide, OB/GYN doctors are becoming just GYN doctors. ask one why, med. they get sued for everything and liability insurance makes it impossible to carry on practicing that kind of medicine. look at the operating costs of ANY public hospital med, you'll literally shit yourself when you see how much is going to liability insurance.
the health insurance companies are struggling med, they aren't building huge compounds and living it up. you are being deceived!
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and, btw, it's not me saying that liability insurance (which is caused by trial lawyers) is ruining our health care system, it's the doctors that i talk to face to face and they've been saying it for decades but nothing gets done about it. ask one yourself! nationwide, OB/GYN doctors are becoming just GYN doctors. ask one why, med. they get sued for everything and liability insurance makes it impossible to carry on practicing that kind of medicine. look at the operating costs of ANY public hospital med, you'll literally shit yourself when you see how much is going to liability insurance.
the health insurance companies are struggling med, they aren't building huge compounds and living it up. you are being deceived!
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shamegame
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In a family where at least 1 parent has a college degree and a will to find a decent job this scenario is pretty much non-existant. I think part of his argument is that people set themselves up for hard lives and hard choices much of the time. So the reward for not going to college and being ambitious is to be taken care of by the tax dollars of those who DID choose to put in the work in these areas?
medicineman
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Yeah, when you're born to poor parents, live in the slums, all your friends are poor and your going to school with one pair of pants etc. I'm sure college is big on your agenda. Not everyone has a chance to go to college and even if they did, a lot of those here-to-for college jobs, are dissapearing to overseas and beyond. Many people work their asses off for shit wages every day, the excuse that it is because they are lazy is bullshit. Yeah there are lazy assholes, but the majority of poor people are the working poor. The clerk at 7-11, the gas station guy. the retail clerks in any department store, your basic 7.00 an hr workers, what's that, 280.00 a week. after taxes, they can't even pay rent on a shitbox apartment. All you high and mighty college grads might want to have a little compassion for those less fortunate, otherwise you can kiss my rosy red ass.
shamegame
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Oh please. I came from a poor family.I wore hand me downs and poor kids clothes ( toughskins from Sears ring a bell ? ) When I was 6 I got only 1 Christmas present: a 79 cent plastic firetruck. As I got older I knew I didn't want to be poor my whole life , and I didn't want that for my family in the future. I worked 30 hours a week to put myself through school except for my last year which I got a student loan and some financial aid ( that has been repayed for many years ). Don't give me that crap about how they are trapped with no option but a minimum wage job. Everyone has the ability to attend college and get financial help , even in the form of a loan that must be payed back. They choose the same crappy life as their parents it's their own fault. I want as few of my tax dollars going to subsidize these born loosers as possible.
OK, Shamegame, If everyone went to collage than who would work on your car, build your house, fill up your gas, drive the trux that deliver goods to your store, be the clerk that sells you those goods, the guys that pave your roads and the guys that work the land to put food on your table what would you do without them? All I am saying is theese people work hard and they deserve a living wage and affortible healthcare....
medicineman
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Yup, another selfish asshole that is an educated fool from an uneducated school. I'll match IQ's with you anytime, you selfish prick. Don't want any of your tax dollars going to help anyone, do you?
shamegame
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" When out of ammunition in an argument, just spam profanity and hope for the best ".
Medicine man you have sever issues.Who in their right mind would want any more of their tax dollars to hand free shit to people who don't want to earn it for themselves. I pay taxes. If you read what I wrote , I said I wanted as few of my tax dollars to be handed over to someone else. But this nation is becomming more and more one-sided where so many people have figured out how to milk the system.Why work harder or smarter when you can have 70% as good a life by sitting around or shoveling shit ?
If you want to hand over all your money to strangers who have less , then fine go ahead.Just keep my money out of it. Let me decide who I help.
Krime - I understand your point but even though some people aren't smart enough or ambitious enough to carve out a better life , I do not believe in supporting these people their whole lives. In the natural world , these people would be culled out by nature. Survival of the fittest. Now in the present day, the fittest give up a share of their harvest so the weak can hang out and do not a whole lot.....
Listen shamegame, if it was trouly survival of the fittest 90% of the people who talk shit on this forum wouldnt exist anymore....cos I have shot them! So since we chose to live in the society, lets be civil to one another...Oh and by the way, who would you help and how much? Oh and by the way, in our day the rich have to share theyr harvest so they dont get eaten! nice day.
Chrisuperfly
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Today I will take picture of the asshole who stands in the center of the street with a sign beggin for money in front of the 2 fast-food restaurants with help-wanted signs in the window.
Just because you choose to not work in one of the trade skills ie; carpenter, electrician, etc. Doesnt make you any less of a person than those that do. I would love to do nothing more than fix motorcycles for a living, the problem is it doesnt pay enough. Deal with it, suck it up, and the world needs ditch diggers too.
Just because you choose to not work in one of the trade skills ie; carpenter, electrician, etc. Doesnt make you any less of a person than those that do. I would love to do nothing more than fix motorcycles for a living, the problem is it doesnt pay enough. Deal with it, suck it up, and the world needs ditch diggers too.
shamegame
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So your a toughguy who would shoot them huh? ..please son.
Let's see - first off who would I help.....Well I think that knowing someone is a big part of being able to make a decision in helping them.Personally,I would rather help any of my family or friends that need it before I have my money ripped from my hands and given to some stranger 9 states away.
But in the end I am against many types of public assistance.Especially when there is no mandatory incentive for people receiving this help to better themselves. Like I said earlier: What is the incentive for a head of househld to put in much more effort and make more money while they are on public assistance where they get cheap housing , free food, free phone, cheap electric and gas , money , etc. - if they ever cross the max income cutoff they lose all of this and are now stuck in the same boat as the middle class where they have to pay for everything and pay full price for it. There is none.
Yes I pay taxes.Yes some of my tax dollars go to the poor.Are they worthy of it and bettering themselves so they can make their own way in life? For the mostpart the answer is and always will be " No." So like I said, keep as many of my tax dollars out of it as possible.
To the guy that said he would rather support all the poor than spend all the money on the war in Iraq , I would rather have my tax dollars spent on neither. Why do I have to choose one of those options ?
To the guy who mentioned the " homeless" guys with the cardboard signs I agree with you 100% those people are breaking the law by doing that -they just scare and guilt people into handing them money.And by the way many of those guys make 100-250$ a day....making more money than most of the people that give them cash all day. I wish the damn cops would actually enforce the law and stop that crap.
Shamegame, if you are so law obiding, what are you doing growing weed? And about shooting, that was just my example of natural selection excuse that you fell back on...and finally , guess what, most people that recive assistance are working on bettering themselves...I did it, and so did many of my friends,and now we all paying taxes so the others can do the same...Its the tax money that are spent on bombs that bug me...
shamegame
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What am I doing growing weed? You gonna throw weed growing around on a weed forum you POS ? I am a medical marijuana patient grower in the state of California.I am breaking no state laws. I keep my grows within legal limits , and share my harvest with ONLY other patients in my area. I am not breaking the state laws - how about you ?
And if you really do think that MOST people taking handouts are working to stop their lifelong gravy train and provide for themselves you are as ignorant as you are short sighted.