Scientific improvement on yield and potency
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potlike
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I still don't know your other dimensions available to you jesse other than 9-10 foot ceilings...and everything I found about columbian gold heights have varied greatly but height for you will not be an issue.
What is your length and width of the room that you are doing. If you have the space I would suggest investing in a HPS as you will spend WAY more money lumen for lumen in electricity and with that space setup multiple "stations" which you rotate your crop so that you have 1-2 plants harvest every 2 weeks to a month.
Honestly if every month you added a new plant to a rotation system I think you would have plenty to smoke nonstop and would actually be able to use the excess from the last harvest making hash oil - keeping a perpetual harvest and a smile on your face.
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What is your length and width of the room that you are doing. If you have the space I would suggest investing in a HPS as you will spend WAY more money lumen for lumen in electricity and with that space setup multiple "stations" which you rotate your crop so that you have 1-2 plants harvest every 2 weeks to a month.
Honestly if every month you added a new plant to a rotation system I think you would have plenty to smoke nonstop and would actually be able to use the excess from the last harvest making hash oil - keeping a perpetual harvest and a smile on your face.
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potlike
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Kant: I can't help but to think supplementing your crop with 5-10 of these would do nothing but give you fat resiny THC filled buds, and if you grow out a few generations of that crop it would become a trait. Grow it out- pollinate one to two buds then harvest those seeds and do the same thing. After a couple generations high thc will be in the genetics of that seed.
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JESSE
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five foot by five foot ten foot tall sorry i dint give these earlier as i was saying i cant handle the heat of the hps i got and i cant find any near where i live right at the moment so i wanted to use the spiral cfls.ill put them all around if need be they are cheap and warranteed so i dont mind i just want to know if there is away they can produce better buds?
potlike
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here I took a picture of my stanley fan this morning. If you hooked this up to the light and built a cooltube(example of cooltube diy), then you would have little to NO heat at all from that hps and one hell of a less electricity bill when compared to the cfls. Btw you'd be able to TOUCH and hold the cooltube which is less than an inch from the bulb with this setup.
To mod the Stanley fan(from walmart 39.99) all you do is get a 6 inch to 4 inch reducer. Duct tape the reducer to the casing of the fan then you can attach either pvc or duct work with more duct tape and run that to the HPS lamp
Also keep in mind take the freaking ballast away from the lamp and remotely mount it with some cut off electrical cable. To do a professional job... some 12/2 or 12/3 however 16/2 or 16/3 works as well. This would ensure one hell of a setup. The wiring diagram is usually printed inside anyways. It isn't rocket science just requires some patience to make sure you get it right then the next time you'll know EXACTLY what you are doing.
Enjoy!
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To mod the Stanley fan(from walmart 39.99) all you do is get a 6 inch to 4 inch reducer. Duct tape the reducer to the casing of the fan then you can attach either pvc or duct work with more duct tape and run that to the HPS lamp
Also keep in mind take the freaking ballast away from the lamp and remotely mount it with some cut off electrical cable. To do a professional job... some 12/2 or 12/3 however 16/2 or 16/3 works as well. This would ensure one hell of a setup. The wiring diagram is usually printed inside anyways. It isn't rocket science just requires some patience to make sure you get it right then the next time you'll know EXACTLY what you are doing.
Enjoy!
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JESSE
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the one i have really isnt that large anyways if im going to go shopping for supllies like the ones i would need for that ventilation system id just go ahead and buy another light but energy isnt much of a problem.if i knew how many bulbs or watts i would take i could figure out how high the bill will be or ask someone who is allready doing the same.....you really dont support cfls much do ya?sorry to sound rude if i do im not meaning to i just want to use whats allready available to me if i can.
potlike
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Ok, words aren't getting through to you... cfl's are fine but here is the math:
5x5=25 square feet
5000 recommended minimum lumens per square foot
5000x25= 125,000 MINIMUM lumens total
CFL: 40w= 2650 lumens=47.16 lights ~ 48 lights
48x40w=1920 Watts per hour
1920watts per hour x 12 hours=23040
23040 x 30 days in a month = 691200 watt hours a month
691200/1000 kw per hour=691.2
691.2 kw per hour times my cost of .18 a kwh = $124.000 a month
also = more of a red flag to power company = jail time for jesse
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5x5=25 square feet
5000 recommended minimum lumens per square foot
5000x25= 125,000 MINIMUM lumens total
CFL: 40w= 2650 lumens=47.16 lights ~ 48 lights
48x40w=1920 Watts per hour
1920watts per hour x 12 hours=23040
23040 x 30 days in a month = 691200 watt hours a month
691200/1000 kw per hour=691.2
691.2 kw per hour times my cost of .18 a kwh = $124.000 a month
also = more of a red flag to power company = jail time for jesse
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JESSE
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words arent getting thru cause you were using the wrong words instead of throwing a sales pitch,try facts they are easier to reason with.thankyou for finally getting to the point tho you have succeeded in convincing me i have some shopping to do what do you recomend?for that amount of space all of the last info inverted to whatever light you suggest would be helpful.thanx!
potlike
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Couple other questions.
1. Would you be happy splitting and shortening the grow room into separate vegetative areas and flowering areas.
2. How do you feel about having a few stations within your flowering, so that you can have a continual harvest. Maybe with any excess, just make hash?
3. What kind of budget constraints are you looking at here? We can still go cheap and get quality buds MUCH better than you have smoked on a consistent basis before.
4. How handy are you?
If you are handy how would you feel about modifying
to work in soil grow. Looks badass, but take a closer look it is just pvc and you could put regular pots with soil and tilt the pvc to drain.
You could even just forget the pvc and sit potted plants in a circle around one HPS light all in one container to make sure they don't. With plants being strategically placed you optimize the efficiency of that light per plant even allowing lower branches to bloom.
Give me some input on those questions and ideas. If you are able to do it yourself on a few things(hardest one being lighting) you can save LOTS of money and have nothing but high quality dense stinky buds that knock you on your ass with one hit.
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1. Would you be happy splitting and shortening the grow room into separate vegetative areas and flowering areas.
2. How do you feel about having a few stations within your flowering, so that you can have a continual harvest. Maybe with any excess, just make hash?
3. What kind of budget constraints are you looking at here? We can still go cheap and get quality buds MUCH better than you have smoked on a consistent basis before.
4. How handy are you?
If you are handy how would you feel about modifying
to work in soil grow. Looks badass, but take a closer look it is just pvc and you could put regular pots with soil and tilt the pvc to drain.
You could even just forget the pvc and sit potted plants in a circle around one HPS light all in one container to make sure they don't. With plants being strategically placed you optimize the efficiency of that light per plant even allowing lower branches to bloom.
Give me some input on those questions and ideas. If you are able to do it yourself on a few things(hardest one being lighting) you can save LOTS of money and have nothing but high quality dense stinky buds that knock you on your ass with one hit.
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JESSE
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that could possibly be the most beautiful and ingenious thing ive seen since the grow wheel (the original grow wheel where the guy had like five in his garage and was busted)i can fucking build it too!!!ive got plenty enough cash to build twenty of those! do you have to rotate the plants so that they dont bend towards the light or are they just good to go? last night i had totally thought out what i believed was perfect to grow what i need now i donbt give a daqmn about that setup because it totally ruined a beautiful china cabinet that is probly older than i am.and i just found out an aquarium near my home sells lights of all different kinds i was going to have a look tonight.and if they dont have the light you need they will order it for ya!but as i said i gots four months of things to do first.DAMN IT ALL!
JESSE
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SHIT THAT AQUARIUM RULES!! they have all kinds of goodies,co2 administers,plant food and everylight you could think of exept cfls.the cheapest metal halide they have is 100$ with hookups,fans and everything. i dont ahve time to grow right now but in four and a half months im gonna be over there all the fuckin time.they even had a display of a metal halide setup that had those bulbs that emit daylight and has a blue spectrum bulb built in the normal one the setup had six of these bulbs that are over a foot long each and had built in intake and exhaust fans. the whole thing was maybe ten feet long and a foot thick but it emited a huge load of light.store said it cost them a couple grand when they bought it but prices have lowered since then.apparently each bulb was like 90$the store can order ANY light from anywhere with no questions or names asked if i pay cash.when i get back from training what is the cheapest fixture i should get i told you my demensions earlier but if you forgot then here it is 10 foot tall,5 foot by five foot wide plus deep.my closets gonna be purty.plus i want to make a tiny veg space out of a little dressor the demensions are19 inches tall,28 inches wide,and 14 inches deep.what lights should i use there?
natmoon
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Those tanning bulbs do add a good amount of uv light into the grow room but apparently you have to be careful with them,the info i have is that running a 20 minute tanning cycle every 1-2 hours depending on the size of your grow room.
They should only be used from the second week of flowering as well.
This is all smalltalk that i have heard and i have not experimented with tanning tubes yet i plan to get a small facial tanner for my little cupboard and give it a try next grow
th3bigbad
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i use fire fox 2, but i didnt know about the spelling corrector. learn sumthin new every day i guess huh lol
from what ive read useing uv bulbs should only be done for a max of 1 hour per day. you can brake that up anyway you want. i was thinking 10 mins every 2 hours. keeping the time the lights are on short and spaced out seems like it would give the plants time to recover some. something else to think about is upping the time the lights are on slowly to say 20 mins in the last week or so of flowering to pack on the tris. but its all just talk and thoughts for now. when i get enough plants to play with ill be doing a few different things to see what works and what kills.
if you start to use any kind of uv adders pm me. id love to see how things work out for ya.
from what ive read useing uv bulbs should only be done for a max of 1 hour per day. you can brake that up anyway you want. i was thinking 10 mins every 2 hours. keeping the time the lights are on short and spaced out seems like it would give the plants time to recover some. something else to think about is upping the time the lights are on slowly to say 20 mins in the last week or so of flowering to pack on the tris. but its all just talk and thoughts for now. when i get enough plants to play with ill be doing a few different things to see what works and what kills.
if you start to use any kind of uv adders pm me. id love to see how things work out for ya.
natmoon
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Way i had figured it is that the sun blazes down on them all day long with uv so using them even all day long wouldnt be a problem as long as they are at the correct distance to emit just enough uv to be usefull to the plants and not be so close as to give them a tan.
I think the real question here is how far they should be away to maintain uv absorption and not get sunburn so to speak and this would also depend on the exact bulbs rating that were used,not to mention the heat issues generated from the unit itself.
Im going to use a small facial tanner very cheap and im going to aim it at most 12" away from the tops on one side of the grow room and see what happens,i will start of with the 20 minute cycle every hour and see what happens if this is ok i will increase it until i see any sign that they dont like it,then decrease accordingly.
Should be fun lol.
I think the real question here is how far they should be away to maintain uv absorption and not get sunburn so to speak and this would also depend on the exact bulbs rating that were used,not to mention the heat issues generated from the unit itself.
Im going to use a small facial tanner very cheap and im going to aim it at most 12" away from the tops on one side of the grow room and see what happens,i will start of with the 20 minute cycle every hour and see what happens if this is ok i will increase it until i see any sign that they dont like it,then decrease accordingly.
Should be fun lol.
potlike
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I can't find it again but I found a chart with uvb levels at various times of the day. At noon the UVB was highest so my thinking was what if we were able to put the lights on a dimmer and control that. Then again at noon is when the sun will expose uvb at the most useful readings to us around 315nm.... Since a reptile light is already there it wouldn't serve much of a purpose dimming... My guess on optimal exposure though would be around the 4-5 hour range.
Something else that came to mind was large amounts of UVB is absorbed by ozone in nature. What happens when we introduce ozone generators for smell in our grow rooms?
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Something else that came to mind was large amounts of UVB is absorbed by ozone in nature. What happens when we introduce ozone generators for smell in our grow rooms?
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th3bigbad
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good point pot.
there are some oder killers that use uv rays to kill smells, some tattoo shops use uva to kill germs. a wide range uv bulb may have some added side bonuses.
brainstorm
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just out of interest how many plants did you grow