Bugs is an aero/nft convert!!!

[grandpabear3]

hi there everyone. i figured it had been a while since i took on a new thread and my old ones are ......well, just that. old. i've been doing a lot of experimenting and losing shitloads of money for it. and i have decided to go with the aero/nft system. after only 6 weeks of flowering i am blown away. not by the bud production ......yet. but by the growth rate. it's amazingly unbelievable. but i am a convert. all other methods other than maybe a dwc set up or anything combined with aero just will not keep up with this growing style..........but i digress. i wanted to take you guys through it with me. but not like a journal. feel free to ask about stuff and criticise about stuff.

this last one is my dryer that i'm proud of.

but these are all about a week ago at 5weeks and 2 days i think. you can see they were getting thick and tall. but now it was getting stupid so i had to take action.







this is what they looked like a few hours ago. and you may or may not be able to see the bud hairs n stuff startin up. f'n 6 weeks!!!! takin its sweet ass time. its white widow by the way.











and here are some shots of the pvc fence posts i got at the big orange store. and they are 4 3/4'' wide and 105'' long and better than 1/4'' thick. 40 bucks a piece. and can hold 12 plants per run. i lil root porn (snuff anyway) for you freaks out there.




my shitty moms are in need of a 250w mh instead of these weak ass cfl's.

i took some of the cuttings from the bigguns in the new system, justfor fun.




so an upskirt shot and a few more angles after the carnage. i just did this a couple weeks ago.

i run a timer 2 minutes on 12 minutes off for both this system and the cloner and when i replace the tables i still have with this i will plug that into the timer as well. i timer and i get a cloner and 2 other flowering stations. well, technically 4. i will only put 12 in each batch so i can use 1 run every 3 weeks to harvest. that will give me 3 weeks to clone and veg a bit and then they feed into the rotation every 3 weeks until full. viola. harvest every 3 weeks but only 1 tube of 12 plants. as i get it finished you'll see it grow/go along and it should be fun. i do however in the future have the capability of adding a third system in this room. but we'll see what 12 under perfect conditions consistently yields for a while. then make the decision. i use gh products. the regular bloom micro and gro formula. r/o water. and havent needed ph up or down in a long time. but i think this new system is gonna need some down every so often. as far as additives. flouralicous plus and kool bloom. but i am thinking about getting kabloom instead.someone told me to try it.. i dont flush nor am i going to start. so no thank you in advance. i know stink does and so does a lot of follks but i only flush the potty. and even then, rarely. and my bud dryer spits out ready to smoke slow burning sweet smelling tastey buds that i always get complimented on how good i cured it by my old hippie friends and family. then when i actually get them some i have cured they think it's a different strain. so , for those who arent keeping up or hust tuning in....bugs flushes sometimes and believes in the cure! but for me good friends patients and personal. not everything. oh ya....i run 2 1k lights now but they are coming down soon and 4 600w hps are going up instead. even with the light movers the 1k's just cant hit everywhere. so the 4 6's will do nicely. september 3rd will be 9 weeks in the aer/nft. if it finishes and i doubt it will. then i can have 3 systems in the room. 3,6,9!!!! but if it goes longer then i will only be able to have 2 systems and harvest 1 run of 12 each time. the 4th run will be 3,,6,9,........10,11 or 12. so we'll all see together. so far my only problem is white flies.
anyway i'mma post this so i dont lose it all and shoot myself. then i'll read it and post something to make sense of it all. lol

i hope i can help someone the way this site has helped me. and i look forward to growing with you all.

 

[grandpabear3]

btw if you look in my albums the pictures all have captions under them with lots of info.

 

[grandpabear3]

you know the only thing bothering me is the fact that 4 weeks is plenty of time for buds to start popping up all over in my tubs. but this aero/nft is sprouting hairs at 6 weeks plus!!! wtf? i hope the flowering process is as violently productive as the vegging has been.

 

[grandpabear3]

so does antone have any bang-on remedies for white flies?

 

[caddyluck]

no remidies for white flies, maybe some sticky traps, Safer soap 3-1 works good. What size are those inserts and how big was the whole you drilled for them? oh and I'm curious, at what week do you start flushing? LOL JJ

 

[morrisgreenberg]

hey bugs, nice setup, nothing beats aero, but onto the pests, you need to do a lil research on where they lay larva, you can kill adults but the they will come back in a week, well atleast thrips do that, a multi-pronged attack will help, i highly recommend fox farms "dont bug me" after an application or two of that, go down to a nursery and order lady bugs, hired or predator bugs work very well, some go after the larva, also blue and yellow sticky cards, best way to combat this is by prevention, also rotenone pyrethrins is very hardcore but good as a spray for in and around your room, it claims to be safe for edibles but when you smell it you wouldnt dare put it on your plants, i use it to spray before a new crop. IMO safer soap is too weak and neem oil works pretty well, but like i said dont bug me and the lady bugs work the best that i have tried, and i tried em all

 

[grandpabear3]

no remidies for white flies, maybe some sticky traps,

tried those. they work, but they dont put a dent in it.

Safer soap 3-1 works good

never heard of that.
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What size are those inserts and how big was the whole you drilled for them?

2'' neoprene pucks inside 2'' net pots sitting in a hol;e drilled by a 2''......you see where i'm going with this?

oh and I'm curious, at what week do you start flushing? LOL JJ

well played , sir

hey bugs, nice setup, nothing beats aero,

i am a true aer/nft convert

but onto the pests, you need to do a lil research on where they lay larva,

no research necessary they put up lil tiny century 21 sign on the under side of the fan leaves. they've just built a lovely nursery over on the mother tables.

you can kill adults but the they will come back in a week, well atleast thrips do that,

these turds do it too.

a multi-pronged attack will help, i highly recommend fox farms "dont bug me" after an application or two of that, go down to a nursery and order lady bugs, hired or predator bugs work very well, some go after the larva, also blue and yellow sticky cards, best way to combat this is by prevention,

never heard of the dont bug me either....shit! this is the only problem i've ever had to deal with in this op. so i consider myself lucky
and i hear ya on the ladybugs. i just havent gotten around to it. currently i am using azamax and who knows...do the blue sticky's attract different shit than the yellow?

also rotenone pyrethrins is very hardcore but good as a spray for in and around your room, it claims to be safe for edibles but when you smell it you wouldnt dare put it on your plants, i use it to spray before a new crop.

my white flies actually use little shovels made from stem material and scrape up the dried pyrethrin residue into big fat rails and do lines all day long and have the energy for massive orgies at night!
i've used dr doom foggers and other sprays. they used to "drop like flies" but now it's nothing more than morning fog to them.

IMO safer soap is too weak and neem oil works pretty well, but like i said dont bug me and the lady bugs work the best that i have tried, and i tried em all

thanks for the replies guys. very helpfull. i do have neem oil but have never used it properly. i have only put it in water/dawn mixtures for spray bottles and then i sprayed the top of the plants. cause i'm super smart. so a lot of half assed attempts to kill em' but i just want something to kill em all easily. fuck the quality of the crop smoke for 1 run. it'll be worth it to get rid of the damned things.

 

[grandpabear3]

saw some ___ shootin' dice , so i said...let's do this!!!!

too fuckin cool...g-funk era shit.....it's been 10 years since i've heard that.

 

[grandpabear3]

remember how i said i was blown away by the growth rate? well now it makes me sad angry and poor. they are week 6 day 4 and still just sights and hairs but no buds. it's like it wont stop vegging. and i cant turn the pump off at night or the roots would dry out. my pots turn at 3-4 weeks into 12/12 but this shit is big and pretty but wont let em fuckin bud out!!!!!

 

[morrisgreenberg]

all they need is a "token" spray once every hour to hour and a half at night, this just might be jamming the plants with highly oxygenated nutrients when they might be getting mixed signals, i dont know maybe you got long flowering sativas?

 

[grandpabear3]

all they need is a "token" spray once every hour to hour and a half at night,

are you talking about water here or poison?

this just might be jamming the plants with highly oxygenated nutrients when they might be getting mixed signals,

well, it's been my experience that light, not nutrient determines flowering.

i dont know maybe you got long flowering sativas?

maybe, but the rest or the crops i've done havent done this. it's troubling.

 

[grandpabear3]

oh, and my location and your signature have a lil somethin' in common i just noticed.

 

[GypsyBush]

6 weeks of 12/12..???

My C99 takes 7 weeks TO BE DONE...

You gotta have a light leak or something...

Either that... or your plant is broke...

 

[grandpabear3]

6 weeks of 12/12..???

tell me about it!

My C99 takes 7 weeks TO BE DONE...

yes, gypsy....we all know she's a fast slut.

You gotta have a light leak or something...

now that is a definate probability. my moms and cloner are in the same room. there is some light that leaks out. but i guess with the combination or 24/7 nutrients and a wee lil bit o' light it was enough to keep em in veg. i am fixing it right now.

Either that... or your plant is broke...

hehehehehehehe

 

[GypsyBush]

Are you saying that you think that the irrigation has something to do with it?

 

[grandpabear3]

Are you saying that you think that the irrigation has something to do with it?

well, i aint zactly sure. the irrigation runs 24/7 so the nutes are available to the plants even during the dark period. now just sprinkle some light in there. and viola....they think it's just a cloudy day or low light,but light none the less! there was enough light lleaking in there that as soon as your eyes adjusted you could see all the leaves on every plant.
me thinks that be a tad too much luminocity!!!

so what have we learned?

1. veg these fuckers under poor lighting conditions and in 6 weeks you will have 1.5'' thick stalks with plants towering at around 4.5' tall. all taken straight from the cloner at about 5'' tall. they had to be thined out twice. this system has strong kung fu

2. bugs likes to make newb mistakes this late in the game....aint i speshuwl? light discipline is even more important with this system.

3. soon to play with topping........topping them tonight, now that i have fully admitted to myself that they are in veg.

 

[LoudBlunts]

light leakssssssssssss

 

[morrisgreenberg]

lol pikeys, i was thinking about your grow, i seen in the first few pix they were so bushy up top, i hope you didnt get to trigger happy and shock the hell outa the plants during flower, you may have added 10 days recuperation time, and at what point did you trim them?

 

[grandpabear3]

light leakssssssssssss

ya.....i'm special. fixed it. all better now.

lol pikeys,

i fuckin LOVE pikeys

i was thinking about your grow,

thank god someone is

i seen in the first few pix they were so bushy up top, i hope you didnt get to trigger happy and shock the hell outa the plants during flower,

yes they were bushy....that was after being trimmed twice in less than 6 weeks. and there is a pick of what they looked like after the one i just did. but i'm positive that they are all still in veg. exept for one that was in the back corner. it was in the dark and has started to bud .

you may have added 10 days recuperation time,

nah, i trim my sog buds like that all the time. i just saw gypsy do it to one of his trees and copied.

and at what point did you trim them?

that would be week 3 week 5 and now at week 6 and i just topped them tonight. i had to. now the canopy is a foot away from the light. the plants are all 36'' now and i managed to get one of the small ones from the end out without tearing the roots. and i transplanted it into a pot and put it in the mothers table.

gotta get that 250 mh in with the moms. a.s.a.p.

 

[morrisgreenberg]

personally, i think you thinned them out, lollypopping them is one thing but taking all those leaves off can and will take the plants energy stores away, i think you wont get as much as you can out of the plants, i know in aero they grow ridiculous, always any strain i run the side branches surpass main stalks, just trim lower 1/4-1/3 and take 1-2 fan leaves off per week deep into flowering to get to the lower sites, a setup like ours is perfect for a scrog too, these systems make a perfect blanket of bud