Outgrowing small rock wool cubes?

potpimp

Sector 5 Moderator
I started my plants out in the little rock wool cubes in my hydro unit. Now they are looking really scummy and are caving in. I am using a "good" bacterial agent to keep the "bad" bacteria from harming my plants. Will these little rock wool cubes (1.25" sq) be ok to finish out my grow? I have some 3" cubes but they have a round hole and we all know you can't fit a square peg in a round hole. I have roots hanging out of my baskets that I really don't want to disturb. Has anyone ever totally removed the rock wool? I have to prop some of the plants up with the hydroton balls to keep them vertical. This is my first grow and I've already had some setbacks by not getting my pH up and down, my nutes and my pH/ec/cf/ppm meter from a certain unnamed supplier that always takes 3 weeks to ship *anything*. Seems like I'm rambling here but basically... what do I do about the little cubes?
 

potpimp

Sector 5 Moderator
Yeah, I've got them in the hydroton (clay pellets). In the meanwhile... I snipped the plastic wrapper off (yech!) and just back-filled it with hydroton. They should stabilize soon enough with the roots going into the net pots and around all the hydroton pellets.
 

JonnyBlunt88

Well-Known Member
Transplant them into the bigger cubes, and shape the hole so they fit.
Also shape out a little reservoir in the bigger cubes so the roots(depending
on how long they are) are not smashed. Hand water them for the first
week, or make sure the whole cube is getting water so the roots can
penetrate.
 

hazeyindahead

Well-Known Member
Thats what I did, I cut a hole to fit my square cubes into the bigger, same brand though weird, circle cut cubes. Using a kitchen knife i cut pieces of the bigger cube out from the center, and the transplant was much easier after that.
 

potpimp

Sector 5 Moderator
I did but boy do they look like hell this morning!! I think I'm going to just throw away the little cubes and start out with the big ones. If they survive, it will probably be at least a week setback in their growth.
 

FilthyFletch

Mr I Can Do That For Half
Ummm you took the plastic off each cube from the day the roots just popped through the bottom right? You didnt put the cube with plastic into the netpots as that would be your isse as the plastic is just for starting to help keep cube moist then it comes off before going into grow it would have stopped all roots growing out the sides into the net basket through the pebbles and holding it in place firm
 

potroast

Uses the Rollitup profile
Yeah, Fletch, I've seen many, many growers who take the plastic-wrapped cube, and just put it right into the medium, either a pot of growrocks, or even the hole in a larger rockwool cube, with the plastic still on.

I'm always amazed, but ya gotta admit, there's nothing in the directions about it. :blsmoke:


:mrgreen:
 

skunkwizard

Well-Known Member
take off the plastic yep, push down in the 3" cube and place in rock boy. don't forget to take the plastic off incase you didn't hear from everybody
 

potpimp

Sector 5 Moderator
I took the plastic off - mostly because the cubes were square (duh!) and they were going in 4" net pots so I had to cut off the corners to make them fit. I didn't figure I really needed the plastic anyway. I had read to soak the cubes in pH'ed water for 24 hrs before putting them in but I didn't know it was a necessity. I called tech support at Advanced Nutrients yesterday and told him what was happening and he said it is really important to soak your cubes in pH'ed water because the rock wool is alkaline and will shock your plants. Soooooo... This morning they still look like hell so I'm changing the water again (changed it three days ago). The rock wool doesn't hold up very well under the slight weight of the hydroton clay pellets; even the 3" ones are like a gooey mess now.

Just for anyone else's info - there was white foam on top of the water yesterday and I asked the tech about it. He said it's no big deal at all; it's there because I must have used an antibacterial product like Piranha and the foam is just a sign they are happy and have fully colonized the roots and res. Foam is basically "beneficial poop" - beneficials are the good microbes that kill off any bad ones.

Thanks for the advice guys. If my plants survive my stupidity I will have learned some good lessons. I know it sounds lame but I do read and research a LOT, trying to find out how to do what seems on the surface as a simple process but there is a lot more to it than it appears.

Well, time to make up some more pH'ed water, nute it (to 800 ppm) and change the babies out and hope they don't die on me.
 

FilthyFletch

Mr I Can Do That For Half
hmmm your cubes should not be mush seems like way to much water then as the cube should hold up fine through the entire grow.Thats not a good sign.Foam is not usually a good thing either in an aero system thats trouble dwc yor ok I guess but I wouldnt want it in there.Dr Hornsby I tried before and it wasnt recieved well by my plants and they died.
 
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redfoxx

Guest
I took the plastic off - mostly because the cubes were square (duh!) and they were going in 4" net pots so I had to cut off the corners to make them fit. I didn't figure I really needed the plastic anyway. I had read to soak the cubes in pH'ed water for 24 hrs before putting them in but I didn't know it was a necessity. I called tech support at Advanced Nutrients yesterday and told him what was happening and he said it is really important to soak your cubes in pH'ed water because the rock wool is alkaline and will shock your plants. Soooooo... This morning they still look like hell so I'm changing the water again (changed it three days ago). The rock wool doesn't hold up very well under the slight weight of the hydroton clay pellets; even the 3" ones are like a gooey mess now.

Just for anyone else's info - there was white foam on top of the water yesterday and I asked the tech about it. He said it's no big deal at all; it's there because I must have used an antibacterial product like Piranha and the foam is just a sign they are happy and have fully colonized the roots and res. Foam is basically "beneficial poop" - beneficials are the good microbes that kill off any bad ones.

Thanks for the advice guys. If my plants survive my stupidity I will have learned some good lessons. I know it sounds lame but I do read and research a LOT, trying to find out how to do what seems on the surface as a simple process but there is a lot more to it than it appears.

Well, time to make up some more pH'ed water, nute it (to 800 ppm) and change the babies out and hope they don't die on me.
Mehhh :-?

Potpimp, please find and read nongreenthumb and Drizzle's journals! NGT is a pro at growing in RW and you will learn a lot if you follow it carefully. I"m growing in RW too after saving my plants from a stealth hydro plant killer unit.

It's VERY VERY simple, I don't understand why you're having so much trouble.

Here's what you do in a few easy steps:
1) Germinate the seeds
2) Once you see a tap root, place in 1" rockwool cube which you soak in a 5.5 pH solution, don't add any nutrients at this point until the plants are at least a week old.
3) Once they sprout, place under light, DO NOT EVER place your plants close to an HID or HPS lights, it will surely kill them. CFL's are the only light which allow you to do that.
4) Once you see a root just starting to emerge from the bottom of a 1" rw cube, get a SIX INCH rockwool block which you soak for 30 min in 5.5 pH solution as well.
5) Water the plants with clean water, EC < .5 and pH at 5.8. Do you have a water meter?
6) Cover the tops of the six inch cubes with 3 mil black poly or anything that won't let the light penetrate the top of the cube.
7) Drain excess water and water every 2-3 days by dunking the cube in water with solution. This procedure can later be automated.

Good luck, i'm starting a new grow too, so feel free to check my journal, have plants of various sizes at a young age. :weed:
 

potpimp

Sector 5 Moderator
Hmmmmmm... I'm beginning to be convinced that Stealth Hydro does this sheet on purpose. I ordered the hydro kit from them and it came in fairly quickly. I ordered some pH up and down and a nice 6 function meter and it took a month and an ass-chewing to get it - by that time the plants were suffering because I had no way to lower the pH or any way to tell what the pH was.

I asked to be in Nongreenthumb's network so I can read his advice. Sounds like the RW way is much better than the killer hydro anyway. I had a few extra seeds that sprouted so I just planted them in soil and they were doing great until I transplanted them into the Hydro unit. I still have one plant left in a pot and it sure isn't going into the hydro unit. If it's not broke I'm not going to fix it anymore.

As for the Advanced Nutrients stuff and advice... maybe I got some wrong info about the beneficials - maybe not. From what I've seen of their products it's the bomb. I'm going to stick with it for now. Thanks for the help guys!
 
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redfoxx

Guest
Advanced Nutrients are great as well as Ionic nutrients which nongreenthumb recommended me. DO NOT use the SH nutes, they poisoned my plants and made the water murky and foamy. The 3-in-1 meter from SH is a piece of crap, DO NOT waste 150$ on it, i just returned mine to them. Get a Milwaukee instruments or Blue Lab multi meter. Or just search for Hanna instruments on Ebay.
 

potpimp

Sector 5 Moderator
I got the 6 in one meter from SH and it was about $150; it is a P.O.S. for sure. You have to calibrate it every time and if you leave it in the solution it drifts and you have to re-calibrate it again. I'll probably be getting another meter so I'll get one of the ones you suggested. Thanks!
 

potpimp

Sector 5 Moderator
I probaby just have a brown thumb. I've never been able to grow any pot. One of the main reasons I'm doing this is for the challenge of just doing it. I'd love to grow some good pot to maturity, see and smell those big crystal loaded buds them cut them at just the right time, cure them, and then enjoy the sweetness of some seriously great smoke that I didn't pay $400/oz for. Hopefully I won't suck at growing too long. I'm getting more seeds soon too but that's another story.
 

JonnyBlunt88

Well-Known Member
Hey pp, next time you attempt to grow, make a journal and take
step by step pictures...You should get better help that way.
 
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