Dutch Passion - Blueberry & Strawb Cough Fem'd

[shiva71]

Eh up lads,

Looking at seeds for first grow, liked the description of the hit from these strains BUT just read a post about hermying fem seeds and the DP BB got quite a bit of slagging off, either for hermies, or just being a bit shite, or both!

I dunno, i just think about the old saying "get good service, you tell two people;bad service you tell ten"...so if 10% of growers were pissed off with these seeds and moan louder than the 90% who were happy, then thats what im gonna hear, right?

So, in a word, go for it, or dont bother...?

Im pretty much gonna follow KiloBits awesome bubbpleponic PPP grow, so just one chick (or a chick with dicks maybe, )...so even if it did banana, searching and snipping aint gonna take too long is it?

And females from non femd seeds can go hermie, right?

Which would have the least chance of CWD (chicks with dicks, i like that, gonna use it from now on!): fem'd seeds, or fems from regular seeds?

Hope this is in the right forum...any answers massively appreciated...!

cheers guys

 

[luvtogrow]

Eh up lads,

Looking at seeds for first grow, liked the description of the hit from these strains BUT just read a post about hermying fem seeds and the DP BB got quite a bit of slagging off, either for hermies, or just being a bit shite, or both!

I dunno, i just think about the old saying "get good service, you tell two people;bad service you tell ten"...so if 10% of growers were pissed off with these seeds and moan louder than the 90% who were happy, then thats what im gonna hear, right?

So, in a word, go for it, or dont bother...?

Im pretty much gonna follow KiloBits awesome bubbpleponic PPP grow, so just one chick (or a chick with dicks maybe, )...so even if it did banana, searching and snipping aint gonna take too long is it?

And females from non femd seeds can go hermie, right?

Which would have the least chance of CWD (chicks with dicks, i like that, gonna use it from now on!): fem'd seeds, or fems from regular seeds?

Hope this is in the right forum...any answers massively appreciated...!

cheers guys

People line up on both sides of this one. Grown many grows using reg and fem and would say much bigger chance of hermies with fem seeds. I just pull off the male parts and continue my grow. I prefer reg seeds, only because i know much less chance for hermies and because i sex my plants all before week 4 of veg and usually have a high female ratio. I use em both, no big deal! If you worry about hermies in your grow, go with C99, no hermies ever!

 

[Hobbes]

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Hey Shiva, welcome aboard.

I've grown both Strawberry Cough and Blueberry by Dutch Passion. I would not grow another Dutch Passion feminized seed if given it - Blueberry hermied over several grows, when grown with control strains (regular) that didn't hermie. Strawberry Cough wasn't bad for hermieing but the strain was of poor quality. I have a Blue Moonshine feminized seed I've been dying to germinate and I would rather spend $200 for a pack of DJ Short's than torture myself with another feminized Dutch Passion.

That being said, Dutch Passion is a top shelf breeder who took DJ Short's amazing Blueberry and turned it into an instrument of mental torture.

From what I've read around the net most people have no problem with feminized seeds, I could have gotten a bad batch when Hans-Jakobus (Dutch-Land's version of Jimmy-Joe-Bob) was pissin' on the plants after a bad weekend.

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"if 10% of growers were pissed off with these seeds and moan louder than the 90% who were happy, then thats what im gonna hear, right?"

If 1% of the growers were pissed you would hear their complaints 10X louder than the praise of the 99% of satisfied customers.

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"so even if it did banana, searching and snipping aint gonna take too long is it?"

No, one plant won't be bad to clean. Its when you get 4 or 5 going that takes a couple of hours a day.

Also, get some Dutch Master Reverse and Penetrator before you start to flower, just in case.

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"And females from non femd seeds can go hermie, right?"

Yes, but feminized seeds are slightly less stable (sexuality) than the parent. More likely to hermie.

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"Which would have the least chance of CWD ... : fem'd seeds, or fems from regular seeds?"

Regular seeds will be more sexually stable.

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If you go with feminized you will likely have no problem with hermies. My advice would be to stay away from feminized SC and BB seeds from Dutch Passion. If you want those two strains go DJ Short for Blueberry and look for OGraskal at Pot Pimp (or someone on Seedbay or Breedbay) for a Strawberry Cough cross.

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These are my results for 3 grows:

Blueberry (fem) - Dutch Passion
1st grow: the mother and 4 clones hermied only slightly, very few bananas. I just picked bananas.
2nd grow: 16" double topped in RDWC, virtually no bananas
3rd grow: clone in pro mix, 29” single cola – quite a few bananas that grew back when picked. Sprayed with Reverse. Still some banana production after 2 days, re apply Reverse after 10 days if needed. This will be the last grow for this strain, the current plant has been a poor producer, probably the bad pheno I read about. Beautifull plant though, starting to turn purple hues the last few days.


Strawberry Cough (fem) – Dutch Passion
1st grow: mother in pro mix and 4 clones in RDWC, a few banana bunches, picked now and again but not a problem
2nd grow: 18" double topped in RDWC, virtually no bananas.
3rd grow: 2 clones in RDWC with General Hydroponics, not a single banana 6 weeks into flower. No need to spray with Reverse.

https://www.rollitup.org/seed-strain-reviews/182247-feminized-seeds-hermie-test-14-a.html


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[newb19547]

I've heard people have way better results from fem seeds. Don't know about Dutch Passion ones though...but I certainly want to try their strawberry cough also.

 

[Hobbes]

"I've heard people have way better results from fem seeds."

I'd love to hear from amateur breeders who are into genetics and such. My hypothesis is that the best pheno is picked as a mother and the S1 offspring will be close in characteristics to the mother - not as close as a clone but closer than regular seeds for most strains. So if the hermie problem can be worked out we get a better chance of growing that great pheno with each seed.

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[shiva71]

Cheers for the input lads...hmmmm, what to do?

Seems like the femd DP are a no go...BUT they do have some yummy looking strains so best to get ror egulars, pop 3 or 4 and hope for at least 1 lady which almost certainly wont be hermie, correct? On this point, how soon can you sex a plant? I know some plants show pairs of white pistles early on in veg growth which suggests female, are there any other early indicators...?

Thanks for the tip Hobbes, checked out DJ Short site...good stuff yeah? And the other, Ograskal, who/what is this, is he somekinda independent suppier or smt?

Also what about the Nirvana fem'd, any thoughts there?

Last one...if a clone is taken from a non hermie female, to what extent does this gaurantee the clone wont grow balls? I read that hermies can be either genetic or brought on by stress?

Bah...being a newbie sucks! so many questions!

thanks again guys...

 

[newb19547]

Cheers for the input lads...hmmmm, what to do?

Seems like the femd DP are a no go...BUT they do have some yummy looking strains so best to get ror egulars, pop 3 or 4 and hope for at least 1 lady which almost certainly wont be hermie, correct? On this point, how soon can you sex a plant? I know some plants show pairs of white pistles early on in veg growth which suggests female, are there any other early indicators...?

Thanks for the tip Hobbes, checked out DJ Short site...good stuff yeah? And the other, Ograskal, who/what is this, is he somekinda independent suppier or smt?

Also what about the Nirvana fem'd, any thoughts there?

Last one...if a clone is taken from a non hermie female, to what extent does this gaurantee the clone wont grow balls? I read that hermies can be either genetic or brought on by stress?

Bah...being a newbie sucks! so many questions!

thanks again guys...

I believe clones from a female cannot hermie. And just because you get regular seeds doesn't mean "it almost certainly wont be a hermie". I still believe that regular seeds have a bigger chance of being hermie than fems. I would get some more opinions on the fems from Dutch passion before you decide. Don't let one sad story convince you they are bad.

 

[GreenHouzEffekt]

I've read alotta threads on SC and BB. They seem like good strains for the most part, spite the hermy part. But maybe you should try something new? The road not taken? Maybe be the first to grow with some strains that not to many people know about? That's what I was thinking a few days ago. I was caught up in trying to get some stories n experiences with some strains I picked out, and than just realized I should try some, and see the result. Not saying you're being a follower or anything, just a good way to go haha.

 

[RichED]

i was growing out two femed beans a dutch passion bluberry and a nurvana snow white the bb was not cheap eather as a single

anyway while growing the bb was very bushy lot of vegatation thick stalk loked healthy as hellmade snow white look like a step child

anyway astime went by flowering the snow white formed beautiful colas long thick beautiful

the bluberry did these little ball things did not look right uploaded pics to RIU and resident experts thet told me nothing there to smoke it had hermed loaded with bananas and seeds i just killed it yesterday in its 7th week

like my man hobbes said i would not touch another dutch passion bluberry again fuck them bitchs

and all of a sudden i have a nasty taste in my mouth about femanized seeds but maybe its just that one

peace luck to you my brother

 

[Hobbes]

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If you want to go feminized to be sure of getting one female for a one plant grow - go with something that's very stable as a regular strain: Northern Lights, White Widow, Skunk, Bubblegum, Afgani. I'm vegging Seedsman's White Widow feminized now and I expect no problems. I also did Dutch Passion's Flo and it hermied on me in the 7th week, poor producer, weak.

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[Highlanders cave]

Speaking of BB, I will give you my personal experience....unsure of the breeder as it was bought from Marijuana Seeds-Nl. out of the Netherlands. I guess if it wins a cup, they can charge an arm and a leg for it. Comparing it with my other two strains (White Widow and Ice...both of these strains are very very nice).
Blueberry is my favorite in taste, smell and high catagory (very fun, energetic, happy, horny high my girlfriends favorite also)
Indoors Blueberry is my least yielding strain.
Outdoors given the right conditions and a little training, Blueberry can be a massive yielder
Nute sensitive
clones easier than the Ice but not as easy as the Widow

 

[kappainf]

I am currently growin DP, straw cough and BB. Def got some hermie issues and the over all quality pretty well sucks. However, they seem to do much better outdoor. But I agree DJ short is prob the way to go for BB. Ive currently just started, Cannabiogen Destroyer, Sensi Early Skunk, Critical Sensi Star, Reserva Privada OGK, and Soma Haze Heaven. Ill let ya know how that goes.

 

[haze2]

You should crack a journal off, Id like to see about that DESTROYER. See if it comes as mad triched as the picture. Oh that OGK also

 

[Punk]

I am currently growin DP, straw cough and BB. Def got some hermie issues and the over all quality pretty well sucks. However, they seem to do much better outdoor. But I agree DJ short is prob the way to go for BB. Ive currently just started, Cannabiogen Destroyer, Sensi Early Skunk, Critical Sensi Star, Reserva Privada OGK, and Soma Haze Heaven. Ill let ya know how that goes.

I'm growing some DP orange bud, (not cali), and having herm issues too....spindly strain...

a good producer

yeah good producer my fucking ass, two females stretched to the fucking heavens and I'll be lucky to get an ounce per plant...from seed mind you.

 

[kappainf]

You should crack a journal off, Id like to see about that DESTROYER. See if it comes as mad triched as the picture. Oh that OGK also

I just might do that. Seedlings are only a couple of weeks old. But, when things get rollin' I'll do a journal.

 

[kappainf]

I'm growing some DP orange bud, (not cali), and having herm issues too....spindly strain...

a good producer

yeah good producer my fucking ass, two females stretched to the fucking heavens and I'll be lucky to get an ounce per plant...from seed mind you.

Yep, had some that would attack the lights or just shoot up to the ceilin'. Weird thing is they seem consist and worthwile outdoor though.

 

[shiva71]

Wow, DP seeds are getting murdered here, will def stay away!

Seems if im determined to go with the the BB id better get it from another seed bank with better genetics like DJ Short.

Cheers Hobbes, that makes sense to go with a solid stable strain rather that some wierd hybrid that isnt really established! Could you recommend a NLxHaze seed that is, in your opinion, a good performer?

This was interesting to read as a soon to be 1st time grower...

https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/96210-arjans-haze-3-1st-cfl.html

Ive been thinking about Arjuns Strawberry Haze, the description of the high is exactly what im after...i studied Furniture Design at Uni but have been really uninspired lately so i want a nice, uppy, creative weed and not a mong out with pizza and Play Station if you know what i mean!

Cheers guys!

 

[Hobbes]

"Looking at seeds for first grow"

"This was interesting to read as a soon to be 1st time grower..."

Shiva if you're a first time grower it would be a good idea to stick with very simple to grow strains with short flowering periods - most haze's take forever to flower, a 14 week plant takes an eternity. Jack The Ripper by Subcool would be an excellent short flower haze, 8 weeks. Arjan's Strawberry Haze says 10 weeks, so that shouldn't be bad. I've got an Arjan's Haze #3 feminized seed.

Endless Sky by Dr Greenthumb is an excellent strain if you don't mind spending a few extra dollars. Top shelf breeder, 6 weeks flower, some that the most potent indica they've had, large yield. I haven't seen any bad reviews about his feminized seeds. Most strains you see at his site will be good, close to his descriptions.

http://www.drgreenthumb.com/cannabis_seeds_GreenthumbSeedsEntrance.htm

Anything by Serious or Subcool will be fantastic, (Kali Mist takes 14+ weeks). Both are serious about good plants and offer regular seeds only, no feminized. Had to get that little pun in.

http://www.cannabis-seeds-bank.co.uk/serious-seeds/cat_6.html

http://www.cannabis-seeds-bank.co.uk/tga-subcool-seeds/cat_125.html

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[shiva71]

Hi

Cheers for the great advice Hobbes, much appreciated!

Good grief some of those Dr. GT plants look lethal!

Thanks for the good Haze suggestions, i know its probably not the best strain to begin with but hopefully some of the ones you suggested should have enough indica to keep the height and flowering time down...

Also added to my list of possibilities is Sensi SBs Kali Haze...mmmmm it even feels good just saying it! Those guys have been doing this for ages, surely theyve got their genetics right by now?

Also Hobbes, a bit off topic i know, but im thinking about using one 250w HPS instead of a billion cfls...i just assumed for a closet grow (60x100x175cm approx.) a 250 would be WAY too hot, but the guy in the grow shop said he had one in a space 80x80x150 with just a fan inside and had no heat problems, which i found a bit suprising, have you ever used a 250W in a small space?

Cheeeeeers mate!

 

[Hobbes]

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(60x100x175cm) = (2' x 3'3" x 5'9") - does that conversion look correct? I'm Canadian but I still have to convert distance, weights and temperature to get an intuitive feeling of the measurement.

I think switching to an HID is a great idea. You need 50W/'sq when flowering, so with about 6.5'sq you need about 325W HID. So the 250W will be fine for that space so long as you have good reflection (white paint or Refextic are great) and vent the air. A good option is an inline vortex fan with a carbon filter.

Surprisingly the 250W of HPS will give off less heat than a collection of CFL bulbs of the same wattage. The heat is just concentrated around one bulb instead of spread out around several.

If you use an HPS of 2100K during veg you will get stretch. You may be able to get a switchable ballast or a convertible MH bulb for the HPS ballast.

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"Thanks for the good Haze suggestions, i know its probably not the best strain to begin with"

If you're set on a haze take a look at Jack The Ripper by Subcool: super potent, said to be the best 8 week Haze in the world.

http://www.cannabis-seeds-bank.co.uk/tga-subcool-seeds/tga-subcool-seeds-jack-ripper/prod_1176.html

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"keep the height and flowering time down..."

I do a grow similiar to a scrog without the screen, good trade off between (height control, overall potency & yield increase) and portability. You can grow a 6' sativa with only 18" from your bucket rim to your heat safety zone below your light.

https://www.rollitup.org/seed-strain-reviews/211186-pics-my-garden-ssd-km.html

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