Are MMJ patients paying illegal prices?

[GrowTech]

MUAH!

BTW, a club that I met with told me that they "rehydrate" all the bud that comes in to them. WTF does that mean?????

It means they introduce water vapor to the bud to increase the weight of the product that they sell you. Essentially you are paying for an ounce of bud, but are only getting 24 grams and moisture.

 

[GrowTech]

weed is alot cheaper over here we get it for 20 -1/8

Where is "over here?" I'm guessing Mexico?

 

[420OldSchoolDJ420]

But think about it GT.. No one is making anyone grow MMJ.. Providing medicine to the sick should NOT be a for profit buisness imho.. I am a die hard advocate for universal healthcare in the U.S... Which is pretty easy to see if you notice alot of my views on things... MMJ is not to be confused with recreational MJ.. Prices on anything recreational is a whole diff story.. I do not feel that prices on anything recreational should have regulations on price.. But medicine is totally different.. I believe that all human beings should have access to adequate medical care at NO COST.. This is the only way to ensure everyone is taken care of.. No one should ever have to suffer from any medical condition simply because they do not have the money to pay for medicine,treatment,hospitalization,surgery etc etc etc.. MMJ falls into this catagory as well imho.. BUT recreational use of MJ is a ( here we go again, ready? ) C H O I C E.. therefore I feel you can charge w/e the hell you want for recreational MJ.. Because the user does not HAVE to buy it or use it etc.. MMJ on the other hand is not used for "fun" etc and should be treated as any other medicine.. The main argument for MMJ was that the pharma companies are getting rich.. Well, whats the diff in the pharma companies screwing you or the MMJ growers screwing you? There is none.. In a perfect world all medicine and healthcare would be free.. But again, thats just my wishful thinking.

 

[svchop889]

I'm not starting. What's wrong with 25 an O seriously?

if 25 an o was the standard rate legal growers couldnt afford to grow and ther would be no meds for you opium grower, of course if they dont grow the dispenseries will be more willing to pay more so i wouldnt worry too much supply and demand ppl simple economics

 

[can.i.buz]

back in the 60's it was cheap because pot had a lot less thc in it, and it was full of seeds. Genetics have come a long way since then.
Medical Marijuana caregivers cannot just go and throw seeds outside. Not unless they have guard dogs, guns and an expensive security system in a "locked facility" (according to our state law) Plus, it is still federally illegal to grow, even if you have that state card. Every grower needs to invest monthly in their legal defense fund. Are their patients going to come to their aid when they gut busted by an overzealous prosecutor? I highly doubt it.
Patients do not need to complain about prices. If they want cheap weed they can put together a grow system for under $100 to grow their own medicine. Maybe after they lose a crop or two of $50 seeds, flood their room accidently, fight an invasion of insects, spend hours doing research, and many more hours watering, feeding, odor control, etc. then they will get an idea of why it can't be $25

cheers, cheers, cheers to you

 

[svchop889]

It means they introduce water vapor to the bud to increase the weight of the product that they sell you. Essentially you are paying for an ounce of bud, but are only getting 24 grams and moisture.

thats just fucking wrong man if my dealer did that to me his day would not end well

 

[GrowTech]

But think about it GT.. No one is making anyone grow MMJ.. Providing medicine to the sick should NOT be a for profit buisness imho.. I am a die hard advocate for universal healthcare in the U.S... Which is pretty easy to see if you notice alot of my views on things... MMJ is not to be confused with recreational MJ.. Prices on anything recreational is a whole diff story.. I do not feel that prices on anything recreational should have regulations on price.. But medicine is totally different.. I believe that all human beings should have access to adequite medical care at NO COST.. This is the only way to ensure everyone is taken care of.. No one should ever have to suffer from an medical condition simply because they do not have the money to pay for medicine,treatment,hospitalization,surgery etc etc etc.. MMJ falls into this catagory as well imho.. BUT recreational use of MJ is a ( here we go again, ready? ) C H O I C E.. therefore I feel you can charge w/e the hell you want for recreational MJ.. Because the user does not HAVE to buy it or use it etc.. MMJ on the other hand is not used for "fun" etc and should be treated as any other medecine.. The main argument for MMJ was that the pharma companies are getting rich.. Well, whats the diff in the pharma companies screwing you or the MMJ growers screwing you? There is none.. In a perfect world all medicine and healthcare would be free.. But again, thats just my wishful thinking.

Cannabis is a recreational drug before it is a medicine. It always has been, the price will not change, as there cannot be 2 very different prices for 1 thing. If you could purchase a Ferrari from Jimbo Joe for $2,000 why would you purchase it from a Ferrari dealer for $200,000?

The price of the black market is dictating the price of the medicinal market, and the reason for that is that some of those in the medicinal market are shady individual profiteers who have "left the black market" for a more legitimate uniform.

Now if someone opened a collective that would charge no more than $5.00 a gram for ANY kind of bud, they would make no money whatsoever because they would have no product to sell as growers would take their product to the collectives that are willing to better compensate the growers.

The price of bud directly effects the retailer, and the retailers willingness to better compensate the grower.

There ARE cheaper buds available, and shake, etc. People CHOOSE to purchase the $20-25 grams and the $400-500 ounces.

The only way you will EVER see more affordable options for PATIENTS is if they go directly to the grower... and even then, some growers will try to raise their prices to what you see in a collective, or they will require you to purchase more.

 

[can.i.buz]

But think about it GT.. No one is making anyone grow MMJ.. Providing medicine to the sick should NOT be a for profit buisness imho.. I am a die hard advocate for universal healthcare in the U.S... Which is pretty easy to see if you notice alot of my views on things... MMJ is not to be confused with recreational MJ.. Prices on anything recreational is a whole diff story.. I do not feel that prices on anything recreational should have regulations on price.. But medicine is totally different.. I believe that all human beings should have access to adequate medical care at NO COST.. This is the only way to ensure everyone is taken care of.. No one should ever have to suffer from any medical condition simply because they do not have the money to pay for medicine,treatment,hospitalization,surgery etc etc etc.. MMJ falls into this catagory as well imho.. BUT recreational use of MJ is a ( here we go again, ready? ) C H O I C E.. therefore I feel you can charge w/e the hell you want for recreational MJ.. Because the user does not HAVE to buy it or use it etc.. MMJ on the other hand is not used for "fun" etc and should be treated as any other medicine.. The main argument for MMJ was that the pharma companies are getting rich.. Well, whats the diff in the pharma companies screwing you or the MMJ growers screwing you? There is none.. In a perfect world all medicine and healthcare would be free.. But again, thats just my wishful thinking.

You live in a dream world and I'm SURE you have never had to pay for R&D. You probably don't even know what that means. I'm an entrepreneur. I have been all my adult life. I raised 3 children ON MY OWN while I was an entrepreneur. A lot of good ideas just suck the cash from your bank account and never produce even the $$$$ to pay back the cost of R&D. The drug companies (I admit they do a lot of evil stuff) have HUGE R&D costs. Who's going to pay for that???? Get real man.

 

[GrowTech]

thats just fucking wrong man if my dealer did that to me his day would not end well

They do... I learned this trick from working with street dealers.

Google it up. People use a variety of methods such as cold water vaporizers, etc.

 

[MediMaryUser]

thats just fucking wrong man if my dealer did that to me his day would not end well

your dealer probably adds a quarter ounce of water to 3/4 of an ounce of weed to make your ounce with no special water vapor he just wets a nug and throws it in your bag and seals it to redistribute moisture

 

[420OldSchoolDJ420]

wetting there weed is the oldest crooked dealer trick in the book.

 

[420OldSchoolDJ420]

You live in a dream world and I'm SURE you have never had to pay for R&D. You probably don't even know what that means. I'm an entrepreneur. I have been all my adult life. I raised 3 children ON MY OWN while I was an entrepreneur. A lot of good ideas just suck the cash from your bank account and never produce even the $$$$ to pay back the cost of R&D. The drug companies (I admit they do a lot of evil stuff) have HUGE R&D costs. Who's going to pay for that???? Get real man.

I like to dream. dont you? but I dont dream about money like you bro.... I dream about other things.. like peace on earth,unity,a world where no one has to go to bed hungry or hurting or dies from hunger or lack of healthcare..you know... dumb things like that..

we "were" having a good little debate without getting rude and insulting.. I hope it doesnt change and degrade into a flame fest... But i sense a little hostility in your last post lol.

 

[can.i.buz]

I like to dream. dont you? but I dont dream about money like you bro.... I dream about other things.. like peace on earth,unity,a world where no one has to go to bed hungry or hurting or dies from hunger or lack of healthcare..you know... dumb things like that..

we "were" having a good little debate without getting rude and insulting.. I hope it doesnt change and degrade into a flame fest... But i sense a little hostility in your last post lol.

I am a female so I'm not your bro. And yes I'm hostile to people like you that have never owned a business in their lives and just BITCH about how things should be. Try starting a business, running it, having employees count on you for their livelihoods, try to make a profit so you can continue.... It's obvious you haven't done any of that. I think it should be required of today's youth. They would respect their employer so much more.

 

[can.i.buz]

I like to dream. dont you? but I dont dream about money like you bro.... I dream about other things.. like peace on earth,unity,a world where no one has to go to bed hungry or hurting or dies from hunger or lack of healthcare..you know... dumb things like that..

we "were" having a good little debate without getting rude and insulting.. I hope it doesnt change and degrade into a flame fest... But i sense a little hostility in your last post lol.

You think I'm a flame fest now? Wait until we play pool together. Get ready for a spanking!

 

[420OldSchoolDJ420]

ok.. ill play.

my advice to you is to GET A REAL FUCKING JOB and stop trying to get rich off of sick people.. People like YOU make ME sick(er).. you say your an "entrepreneur".. Well I call you a glorified drug dealer.. If you were truly an "entrepreneur" you could and would make money other ways besides trying to bilk every cent you can from sick people.. I dont think you have ever done anything to make as much money as you do "selling MJ".. Thats why YOU are the one that thinks prices shouldnt drop below a certain price for MMJ.. If you want to make your money, then continue selling to your rich friends and/or your local high school kids.. Im sure they wont mind paying your prices.. But you should leave the MMJ comminity alone as your nothing but a greedy,lazy wannabe buisnessman ( err, woman ) that has no other buisness skills other than growing some weed and selling it for a 10000% profit..

your turn

 

[kronic1989]

I would not trust my local government to grow my weed for 25 dollars an oz. It would be so poorly cultivated, sprayed with pesticides, if not intentionally poisioned. Your dreams are all fine and dandy. But when your looking to the government who F%$#s people left right and centre, to take over something people have been doing for years, behind the goverments back to get SEEDS and MJ to YOU. I wouldnt take the weed from them if it was 5$ an ounce or even free.



Weed should not be illegal, or controlled. If you want MJ, you can either grow it, or pay for it. The gr. ower, charging fairly for their time/money/efforts. You MJ patients buying from dispen, are just gettin middle-man'd.

 

[iivan740]

I'm not starting. What's wrong with 25 an O seriously?

The numbers may be little off but they are a good average and very close.
Ok let’s assume your room is 4*6 with 2000watts and flowering is 77 days. You want to provide a high grade medication that is organically grown in a controlled environment. Let’s assume that you are a master grower and can get 4 dried lb. in this area and with this lighting.
Expense
Lease let’s say 800 per month
2053
Electricity (fans, cooling, pumps, lights, etc)
288
Nutrients let’s say Botanicarepro bloom, liquid karma, and cal-Mag,
150
Plants ready to flower 78
1560
Supplies ph control and other control , pots, etc
200
Water
90
Labor let’s say 1hr per day at 20 bucks per hr
770
Labor to finish trim let’s say 4hr per dried lb.
320
Filters fans other stuff that needs replacement
300

5731 dollars total


So this averages out to around 57 dollars per ounce. Now let’s not forget that the industry is still illegal under federal law, so do you think you might want to be prepared to pay legal bills? You might think about making a little for yourself, I mean just a little for yourself.

4lb is 64 ounces, 64 ounces times 25 dollars is 1600 dollars. That’s a 4131 dollar loss. Even if you take out the ready to flower clones the loss is still 2571 dollars, but then we would have to add the cost of seeds, vegetation, cloning, and vegetating the clones back into the total loss. Hell let’s take out the lease; you still have a loss of 518 dollars. Let’s say it’s a labor of love take the labor out (our still getting paid for the trim work), there you go you just cleared 252 dollars.
Realistically you will need more space, more time, more electricity, well more everything to produce 4 lb. of quality medical marijuana. You will probably be lucky to produce 2.5 to 3 lb. Let’s be honest quality and quantity aren’t found together very often, plus you are probably providing multiple patients with different needs so you need different strains for the different patients. That’s going cost the provider more time, space, equipment, and etc…
If you are providing your meds to a coop or a broker there will be a wholesale price, then a middle man price, and then a retail price. Now if the retail price is 25 dollars per ounce the grower will be getting another chunk added to the loss.
I’m not saying prices shouldn’t be reasonable but the caregiver or provider is still committing a federal felony, and risking their life and freedom to provide for someone else’s needs. I think that the caregiver or provider is entitled to a little compensation for their hard work and sacrifices don’t you?
Also realize that the growers (for the most part) aren't the ones making 500 dollars an ounce in the first place; not even close in most cases.

 

[iivan740]

I should have mentioned that I used that see more buds video and room 1 to get the number of plants.

 

[NoDrama]

ok.. ill play.

my advice to you is to GET A REAL FUCKING JOB and stop trying to get rich off of sick people.. People like YOU make ME sick(er).. you say your an "entrepreneur".. Well I call you a glorified drug dealer.. If you were truly an "entrepreneur" you could and would make money other ways besides trying to bilk every cent you can from sick people.. I dont think you have ever done anything to make as much money as you do "selling MJ".. Thats why YOU are the one that thinks prices shouldnt drop below a certain price for MMJ.. If you want to make your money, then continue selling to your rich friends and/or your local high school kids.. Im sure they wont mind paying your prices.. But you should leave the MMJ comminity alone as your nothing but a greedy,lazy wannabe buisnessman ( err, woman ) that has no other buisness skills other than growing some weed and selling it for a 10000% profit..

your turn

Umm I don't think she has a business selling MJ bro. Im pretty sure she has some legitimate business providing some kind of service or product. I could be wrong about it, but to me it looks like you kinda stuck your foot in your mouth.

 

[420OldSchoolDJ420]

The numbers may be little off but they are a good average and very close.
Ok let’s assume your room is 4*6 with 2000watts and flowering is 77 days. You want to provide a high grade medication that is organically grown in a controlled environment. Let’s assume that you are a master grower and can get 4 dried lb. in this area and with this lighting.
Expense
Lease let’s say 800 per month
2053
Electricity (fans, cooling, pumps, lights, etc)
288
Nutrients let’s say Botanicarepro bloom, liquid karma, and cal-Mag,
150
Plants ready to flower 78
1560
Supplies ph control and other control , pots, etc
200
Water
90
Labor let’s say 1hr per day at 20 bucks per hr
770
Labor to finish trim let’s say 4hr per dried lb.
320
Filters fans other stuff that needs replacement
300

5731 dollars total


So this averages out to around 57 dollars per ounce. Now let’s not forget that the industry is still illegal under federal law, so do you think you might want to be prepared to pay legal bills? You might think about making a little for yourself, I mean just a little for yourself.

4lb is 64 ounces, 64 ounces times 25 dollars is 1600 dollars. That’s a 4131 dollar loss. Even if you take out the ready to flower clones the loss is still 2571 dollars, but then we would have to add the cost of seeds, vegetation, cloning, and vegetating the clones back into the total loss. Hell let’s take out the lease; you still have a loss of 518 dollars. Let’s say it’s a labor of love take the labor out (our still getting paid for the trim work), there you go you just cleared 252 dollars.
Realistically you will need more space, more time, more electricity, well more everything to produce 4 lb. of quality medical marijuana. You will probably be lucky to produce 2.5 to 3 lb. Let’s be honest quality and quantity aren’t found together very often, plus you are probably providing multiple patients with different needs so you need different strains for the different patients. That’s going cost the provider more time, space, equipment, and etc…
If you are providing your meds to a coop or a broker there will be a wholesale price, then a middle man price, and then a retail price. Now if the retail price is 25 dollars per ounce the grower will be getting another chunk added to the loss.
I’m not saying prices shouldn’t be reasonable but the caregiver or provider is still committing a federal felony, and risking their life and freedom to provide for someone else’s needs. I think that the caregiver or provider is entitled to a little compensation for their hard work and sacrifices don’t you?
Also realize that the growers (for the most part) aren't the ones making 500 dollars an ounce in the first place; not even close in most cases.

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dirt - $0.00
rain - $0.00

not having to buy a new set of rims for your local drug dealer?

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