Uncle Ben
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Just because -
Stop blaming "issues" on pH people! aka "ah cant take no mo'!
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luckydog82
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Thanks for the quick reply i was thinking the same myself
SlikWiLL13
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you need to PH.
Uncle Ben
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Here's the deal - some folks do things, add things they don't need. Some folks should do things, add things but don't. It's up to you to find out what works with YOUR program, your garden. No two are alike. You don't need to use distilled water or adjust your pH unless it is way out of the norm - extremely low or high pH (which is rare) and/or extremely high TDS like my well water - 690! For organic growers, nothing beats rain. It is about as pure as pure gets, has N in the form of nitrates, has microbes and is free!
Having said that, if you'll disregard the gimmicks and stick to basic common sense gardening principles you'll do fine. Botany basicilly hasn't changed in a million years.
Pot is a weed, grow it like one.
Good luck,
UB
JonnyBtreed
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lol... pH must be off
trichomeKid
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jsteezy1290
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hey ub i also have well water and latley im noticing the plants getting some weird coloring and since i use no nutes i think its because of my hard water if i take a pic and post it can you help me out?
headband707
Active Member
Actually I would have to disagree with you on the PH thing as I know the PH in the east is very high and can do a lot of harm if you mix it with the nute etc. Anything you do too much to the plant can and will effect it's growth and you will see problems. Your right that ppl without experience do jump on the wagons of ph but that is okay as it gets ppl thinking. Pictures are always helpful but it's usually what your putting in the water that is hurting the plant. Peace out Headband707
Uncle Ben
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What do you mean you use no nutes? Are your plants receiving none of the 16 essential elements required for proper growth and health?
pH of soil and water decreases as you go east in the U.S. due to increasing rainfall. You must be sitting on a mound of caliche.
Problem is, they're thinking wrong.
Enjoy your thoughts,
UB
headband707
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Not going to get into how I know but I do know that we had our plants tested years ago and the ph was 8 at the time we were doing hydoponics so that was much too high and the water needed to be adjusted as our plants were dying.peace out Headband707
Roseman
Elite Rolling Society
What about these NUTRIENT SOUPS newbs make, adding Vegging Nutes (which is probably all they really need) plus they add some some Peroxide, and some Hygrozyme, and some Liquid Karma, and some Cal-Mag, and some Tiger Grow and some Epsom Salts and then they ask me about adding mollasses, cat urine and why are their plants rusty looking????
UB, lemme start out by saying that, as always, I highly respect your opinion and experience.
That being said, I also agree that too many plant problems are "blindly" blamed on pH problems, when in actuality they're caused by other factors.
However, I feel as though if you're going to make a thread such as this with a title such as this, you should let the reader(s) know that you're specifically referencing soil grows - not tracking your pH in hydro is way, way, way different then not tracking your pH in dirt.
Also, your title (to me, anyways) some what trivializes pH, which (I believe, and I'm sure you'll say "wrongly") is one of the two most important things I monitor (along with PPM, but that's because the rest of my grow is dialed in and grows itself).
I don't pH any of my outdoor veggies, and they're fine, to your point (grown in soil - soil's a buffer, I get that).
The same can not be said of my indoor "veggies" in DWC/E&F.
Anyways, thanks as always for your time, and happy gardening.
That being said, I also agree that too many plant problems are "blindly" blamed on pH problems, when in actuality they're caused by other factors.
However, I feel as though if you're going to make a thread such as this with a title such as this, you should let the reader(s) know that you're specifically referencing soil grows - not tracking your pH in hydro is way, way, way different then not tracking your pH in dirt.
Also, your title (to me, anyways) some what trivializes pH, which (I believe, and I'm sure you'll say "wrongly") is one of the two most important things I monitor (along with PPM, but that's because the rest of my grow is dialed in and grows itself).
I don't pH any of my outdoor veggies, and they're fine, to your point (grown in soil - soil's a buffer, I get that).
The same can not be said of my indoor "veggies" in DWC/E&F.
Anyways, thanks as always for your time, and happy gardening.
jordisgarden
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ive been growing , and not just mj for a long time. i been growing mj on and off for 10 years now. i never ever ever had to do anything with ph. up or down. to be honest im glad i dont have to because it would just be one more thing to deal witth. when i first started getting serious about growing indoors, i thought that ph was the beggining and the end to everything. but then after a couple grows of never having a problem i forgot about it.
am i just lucky that the water from my tap is good to go?
i fill a couple 5 gals and let em sit for 2 days then i use it just make sure theres no chlorine........why is it that ive never had to deal with ph?
am i just lucky that the water from my tap is good to go?
i fill a couple 5 gals and let em sit for 2 days then i use it just make sure theres no chlorine........why is it that ive never had to deal with ph?
laserbrn
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He is talking specifically about soil here. In E&F and DWC you don't get a buffer. If you check the ph of soil generally it will be in an acceptable range. Assuming you've done nothing to screw it all up.
I have found that on soil grows if you use a decent soil and proper nutrients, it's really, really hard to throw the ph out of whack. Even with ph 8.0 water it should be just fine for a long time. The only time that I've really experienced a PH "Problem" in soil is during loooooong grows. If you are growing trees it's fairly common to get excessive nutrient and salt buildup over the long period it takes to grow. This can cause lower ph, but generally the problem isn't really that you need to raise the ph by adding higher ph water, you need to leech the soil and flush. It's also a good sign your feeding too strong and need to back it down just a bit.
Basically the only time I ask "What is the ph of your runoff?" is when I need to eliminate this as a problem. The only time I suspect it might be is when someone is using too many products the hydro store guy sold him....ie (I'm using FF Bloom Big, Tiger Bloom, Cha Ching, Sugar Daddy (or whatever other bullshit is out there) and they are just whamming there plants to death with all this crap.
I ask the question about the runoff because if it IS out of the acceptable range, something is grossly wrong. Raising the ph by adding higher ph water is only going to raise the ph of the runoff. It ain't gonna solve the problem.
Yeah, you and I both get that he's talking specifically about soil, but I'm not sure that all do - that's why I "suggested" he make the distinction.
"However, I feel as though if you're going to make a thread such as this with a title such as this, you should let the reader(s) know that you're specifically referencing soil grows - not tracking your pH in hydro is way, way, way different then not tracking your pH in dirt."
"However, I feel as though if you're going to make a thread such as this with a title such as this, you should let the reader(s) know that you're specifically referencing soil grows - not tracking your pH in hydro is way, way, way different then not tracking your pH in dirt."
jsteezy1290
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no everytime i used nutes i burned them , even tho i was using quarter strengths, turns out when i transplanted with new soil , the soil had a good amount of nutes already in it so i was just over doing it according to the dude at the local hydro shop