HACKERS REVEAL!! Climate change scientists have been manipulating and fixing data

OregonMeds

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Al Gore may appear to be what you would call a democrat or a liberal but you're just reading the label. Don't judge a book by it's cover, he's a conman not a liberal. He own a site that takes money on that carbon credit scam right? Nuff said...

Global warming probably is bullshit, we can barely make a dent in what is naturally put out, agreed.
If we weren't here there might be even more co2 put out from all the forest fires we weren't around to put out.

But, that doesn't mean we don't have to change. Toxic thick smog hanging over cities making people sick, plastic etc in the ocean, 3rd world countries doing nasty nasty stuff still like we did back in the day dumping awful shit everywhere and living in filth.

Is the movement a fraud? No. Just a good chunk of it, just like there's a good percentage of assholes and liars everywhere and in everything else.

Maybe he should go "invent" another internet.
 

Big P

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yes i agree conservation and recycling is key to a good and happy future for our future generations.


im glad i got to live in a world with resourses and do not want to leave it worse off than i came to it.


its hard to say fuck it when you got those little tikes running around. cuz even after you die they still have to raise your grandchildren and great grandchildren on this earth.

best way to die is knowing you left somthing behind that will grow. only way to die happy if thats possible

 

jeffchr

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Al Gore may appear to be what you would call a democrat or a liberal but you're just reading the label. Don't judge a book by it's cover, he's a conman not a liberal. He own a site that takes money on that carbon credit scam right? Nuff said...

Global warming probably is bullshit, we can barely make a dent in what is naturally put out, agreed.
If we weren't here there might be even more co2 put out from all the forest fires we weren't around to put out.

But, that doesn't mean we don't have to change. Toxic thick smog hanging over cities making people sick, plastic etc in the ocean, 3rd world countries doing nasty nasty stuff still like we did back in the day dumping awful shit everywhere and living in filth.

Is the movement a fraud? No. Just a good chunk of it, just like there's a good percentage of assholes and liars everywhere and in everything else.

Maybe he should go "invent" another internet.
I am not inclined to believe that making a profit from green industry is a bad thing. And Gore would be a leader in this field. Historically, technology advancements have been a result of capitalism. If Gore has explored the causes and cures of global warming, he's in an excellent position to profit from the cure. It's the Amercian profile.

Gore never stated that he invented the internet. The origin of this claim was a Wolf Blitzer interview in which he stated:

"During my service in the United States Congress I took the initiative in creating the internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection ....".

FROM WIKIPEDIA:

Indeed, Gore co-chaired the Congressional Clearinghouse on the Future, along with Newt Gringrich. In addition, he has been described as having been a "genuine nerd, with a geek reputation running back to his days as a futurist Atari Democrat in the House. Before computers were comprehensible, let alone sexy, the poker-faced Gore struggled to explain artificial intelligence and fiber-optic networks to sleepy colleagues. Internet pioneers Vint Cerf and Bob Kahn have also noted that, "as far back as the 1970s, Congressman Gore promoted the idea of high speed telecommunications as an engine for both economic growth and the improvement of our educational system. He was the first elected official to grasp the potential of computer communications to have a broader impact than just improving the conduct of science and scholarship [...] the Internet, as we know it today, was not deployed until 1983. When the Internet was still in the early stages of its deployment, Congressman Gore provided intellectual leadership by helping create the vision of the potential benefits of high speed computing and communication. As an example, he sponsored hearings on how advanced technologies might be put to use in areas like coordinating the response of government agencies to natural disasters and other crises."As a Senator, Gore began to craft the High Performance Computing and Communication Act of 1991 (commonly referred to as "The Gore Bill") after hearing the 1988 report Toward a National Research Network submitted to Congress by a group chaired by UCLA professor of computer science, Leonard Kleinrock, one of the central creators of the ARPANET (the ARPANET, first deployed by Kleinrock and others in 1969, is the predecessor of the Internet).The bill was passed on December 9, 1991 and led to the National Information Infrastructure (NII) which Gore referred to as the "information superhighway."

So, he is ridiculed for an unfortunate choice of words, but the essence of what he said is accurate.

Just say'n.
 

The Real Peter Parker

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Global warming... Whether it's a scam or not, whether it's real or not, whether they're liars or not, I'm calling bullshit. 20 years ago this was supposed to be the next ice age, now it's global warming, next is 2012. I think all of the 'world will end soon' theories can be grouped together and flushed down a toilet, it's all straight BS. We all survived Y2K, right?
 

Johnnyorganic

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yes i agree conservation and recycling is key to a good and happy future for our future generations.


im glad i got to live in a world with resourses and do not want to leave it worse off than i came to it.


its hard to say fuck it when you got those little tikes running around. cuz even after you die they still have to raise your grandchildren and great grandchildren on this earth.

best way to die is knowing you left somthing behind that will grow. only way to die happy if thats possible

You can't have Conservative without conserve.

Anti-pollution measures - mostly good. But the Man Made Climate Change gobledygook driving many of them has got to go.

Sustainable energy
- good as long as they don't rely on more subsidies than conventional energy industry currently receives.

Industrial hemp
- fantastic. Why aren't the uber-environmentalists beating the drum for this very viable means of revitalizing our economy and weaning us off conventional energy sources? I know why, but I'll let you guess.
 

OregonMeds

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I am not inclined to believe that making a profit from green industry is a bad thing. And Gore would be a leader in this field. Historically, technology advancements have been a result of capitalism. If Gore has explored the causes and cures of global warming, he's in an excellent position to profit from the cure. It's the Amercian profile.
Profit is one thing but carbon credits? That does no good for anyone and is a blatant scam offering no value or return for peoples money. Yet he gets a Nobel prize wtf?

Any guy making electric cars in his garage or working on better battery technology deserves it more, at least they really provide valuable products or services and make a real positive difference.

I know he didn't say that about the internet...
 

Ronjohn7779

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so the tectonic plates are going to trap all the CO2 - and how long will that take at 4 centimeters per year.

the CO2 does not get "trapped" by sedimentary rock and sand. it alters the pH of the oceans.
You obviously have NO CLUE what you are talking. You are a prime example as to why people shouldn't listen to others on the internet...:fire:
Perhaps if you study this material more and articulated a more sound argument then I'd believe you. Once again this is what I've learned in both a physics class and a Environmental Science class.

Also it takes a few hundred to thousands of years for a CO2 cycle to recycle CO2 from air to water to rock and back to the air.

CO2 a greenhouse gas is a byproduct of cellular respiration, burning things, and various other natural processes.

This CO2 gets carried out into the atmosphere which will eventually raise global temps. To counteract the raising of temps the Earth will rain. This rain will redeposit atmospheric CO2 in water bodies. Scientist call this Earth's natural thermostat. Both Hydrology cycles and CO2 cycles are two key components to this natural thermostat. If CO2 didn't get stored in Oceans and sedimentary rock then we'd have a runaway Green House effect like Venus. Venus had little to no water to lock CO2 and they had massive temp increases.

Eventually sand will become sedimentary rock (due to heat and pressure). The CO2 in Oceans often gets trapped in sedimentary rock (this unique type of rock is in fact the largest pool for CO2 not the atmosphere). This CO2 rich rock often forms fossils too if you didn't know.

Due to Plate tectonics and subduction This CO2 rich sedimentary rock will get trapped in the Earths lithosphere and move up and down due convection. Eventually a Volcano will out gas this CO2 back into the environment. Placing this CO2 back into the atmosphere for the cycle to repeat.

CO2 doesn't cause PH changes. You're getting that mixed up with Phosphate and Nitrate cycles. These cause acid rain and various other PH changes. CO2 DOESN'T do that! What CO2 does do is cause a run away green house effect if left unchecked. The runaway green house effect may indirectly cause PH changes though by interacting with other Cycles.
 

jeffchr

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You obviously have NO CLUE what you are talking. You are a prime example as to why people shouldn't listen to others on the internet...:fire:
Perhaps if you study this material more and articulated a more sound argument then I'd believe you. Once again this is what I've learned in both a physics class and a Environmental Science class.

Also it takes a few hundred to thousands of years for a CO2 cycle to recycle CO2 from air to water to rock and back to the air.

CO2 a greenhouse gas is a byproduct of cellular respiration, burning things, and various other natural processes.

This CO2 gets carried out into the atmosphere which will eventually raise global temps. To counteract the raising of temps the Earth will rain. This rain will redeposit atmospheric CO2 in water bodies. Scientist call this Earth's natural thermostat. Both Hydrology cycles and CO2 cycles are two key components to this natural thermostat. If CO2 didn't get stored in Oceans and sedimentary rock then we'd have a runaway Green House effect like Venus. Venus had little to no water to lock CO2 and they had massive temp increases.

Eventually sand will become sedimentary rock (due to heat and pressure). The CO2 in Oceans often gets trapped in sedimentary rock (this unique type of rock is in fact the largest pool for CO2 not the atmosphere). This CO2 rich rock often forms fossils too if you didn't know.

Due to Plate tectonics and subduction This CO2 rich sedimentary rock will get trapped in the Earths lithosphere and move up and down due convection. Eventually a Volcano will out gas this CO2 back into the environment. Placing this CO2 back into the atmosphere for the cycle to repeat.

CO2 doesn't cause PH changes. You're getting that mixed up with Phosphate and Nitrate cycles. These cause acid rain and various other PH changes. CO2 DOESN'T do that! What CO2 does do is cause a run away green house effect if left unchecked. The runaway green house effect may indirectly cause PH changes though by interacting with other Cycles.
if you think someone is mistaken on a particular subject because you took a physics class, punk, i'd suggest you try to use the manners your parents TRIED to teach you, and enlighten them with some dignity and class.

as for ocean acidification, you're wrong.
 

CrackerJax

New Member
hahahah!! Cmon you global warming nutjobs, throw up that carbon chart showing the link of carbon levels and global temp swings!!! Jeff can't produce it, can anyone else?

You all run around insisting it's man and our carbon output, and yet you have NO PROOF, not even close.

Anyone who instinctively believed Al Bore in the beginning already qualifies as naive.

Where's the beef?
 

Johnnyorganic

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hahahah!! Cmon you global warming nutjobs, throw up that carbon chart showing the link of carbon levels and global temp swings!!! Jeff can't produce it, can anyone else?

You all run around insisting it's man and our carbon output, and yet you have NO PROOF, not even close.

Anyone who instinctively believed Al Bore in the beginning already qualifies as naive.

Where's the beef?
LOL!

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Pay no attention to jeffchr. He steadfastly refuses to acknowledge anything which does not correspond to his position. He does it time and again.
 

doc111

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I'm feeling lazy this morning so I didn't catch up on all the posts so if I repeat anything I'm sorry. First off, Good morning Johnny and CJ. I find it interesting how the governments of the world seemed to deny global warming for the longest time. All of a sudden they seem to be on board. Is anyone asking why? Well I'll give you my crackpot theory......they finally found a way to make money off of global, er, climate change. All this cap and trade, green job bullshit is making my head hurt. I'm all for finding environmentally friendly and sustainable ways to generate power and manufacture goods. Humanity has only been collecting climate data for a few centuries. Climate change occurs naturally on this planet anyway. How do we know that the earth isn't warming up due to a normal cycle? It seems like the earth will do what needs to be done if it gets too warm. For example, scientists theorize that if the polar ice caps and glaciers melt enough, the oceans will become dilluted with fresh water thereby shutting down the convection currents which keep western europe warm and temperate. Sounds like a natural failsafe to me. I say warm the planet up and put the EU under a block of ice. :lol:
 

CrackerJax

New Member
Yes, Doc, yes.

Of course the two major influences over our global weather is
1.) The Sun.
2.) Ocean currents

Now name two things that can't be taxed.... Oh wait....
1.) The Sun
2.) Ocean currents
 

smppro

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Yea for real, where they have one single outlet source for some breaking news. Or any other insurance or claims adjuster place saying they have information the gov't doesn't want them to know about, and now they can make our dept disappear, everybody's full of shit. I didnt read the posted article, just the comments b/c im in a time constraint, but i do believe in global warming for sure. We've dumped sooo much damn pollutents into the air its inconceivable, through burning fuel, and fires and all that. Its all about where the money's at, we cant continue these ways, so we gotta clean it up, recycle and compost motha fucker!, methane is a bitch

LOL, :dunce:
 

JonnyBtreed

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so the tectonic plates are going to trap all the CO2 - and how long will that take at 4 centimeters per year.

the CO2 does not get "trapped" by sedimentary rock and sand. it alters the pH of the oceans.

WHAT???? I'd love to know how Co2 alters the pH of the Ocean.
 

CrackerJax

New Member
I can explain it for you JB ...

First you get some obscure scientist not related to oceanography to make up some data.

Then you apply pressure through funding to get other lower tier scientists to climb on board, then you just work it as high as you can go, pushing false press release after another.

This will end up as SOLID PROOF.
 

doc111

Well-Known Member
WHAT???? I'd love to know how Co2 alters the pH of the Ocean.
Not saying this is true but I think he may be talking about acid rain. CO2 dissolves somewhat in water creating carbonic acid which MAY alter the pH of the ocean ever so slightly. I doubt it does enough of this to make a huge if even noticeable difference.
 

doc111

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I seem to recall seeing something about how volcanic activity dumps way more CO2 into the atmosphere than man could even come close to producing. Could be wrong though. :bigjoint:
 
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