4x4 Tent - Blue Hash and A-Train

laserbrn

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Dude...that goal of 2.5 lbs is WAYYYYYY too lofty. If all goes well I would estimate that in a 4x4 space w/ a 1000w light on your first go around with the strains you've selected you'll be closer to 1lb. 1.5lb would be a good yield. 2.5lb is master gardener status. It just doesn't really happen the first time around.

You have 12 plants right? How long are you planning to veg'em?
 

Bob Smith

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Agreed; I'll be happy with 1lb. for this run, although I'd like to get up to 2lbs. per 1K sooner rather then later.

However, as Laser said, that's easier said then done.

I'll be content with anything over .75lb, and I think that's a reasonable number for you as well.

Anything more then that is just icing for the first run.
 

smokingrubber

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I plan to veg them until they get half way around the pot. Some will get a little farther than others since some are already bigger than others, but that's the plan. I suppose that'll take another 3 weeks or so.

Maybe you're right and I'll only get 1-1½ lbs. My GOAL is still 2½. Might as well set the bar high! I won't be too upset if I only come close ... 2¼lbs would be okay too ;)

With a little help from the RIU community, I think I'll be pretty close. We'll see. I'm not done building the tent, I still have to get the environmental controls going. If I do everything right, there is no reason it shouldn't come out right ... right?
 

laserbrn

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I plan to veg them until they get half way around the pot. Some will get a little farther than others since some are already bigger than others, but that's the plan. I suppose that'll take another 3 weeks or so.

Maybe you're right and I'll only get 1-1½ lbs. My GOAL is still 2½. Might as well set the bar high! I won't be too upset if I only come close ... 2¼lbs would be okay too ;)

With a little help from the RIU community, I think I'll be pretty close. We'll see. I'm not done building the tent, I still have to get the environmental controls going. If I do everything right, there is no reason it shouldn't come out right ... right?
It's very uncommon for people to get those kind of goals without growing high yielding strains like Big Bud or NL-5. If you really want that big of a yeild I woulda suggested shoving 2x600w's in their and hoping for the best. Pulling 2.5lbs from a 1000w light is pretty lofty. Just don't want you to be crushed if you fall short.
 

Bob Smith

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I plan to veg them until they get half way around the pot. Some will get a little farther than others since some are already bigger than others, but that's the plan. I suppose that'll take another 3 weeks or so.

Maybe you're right and I'll only get 1-1½ lbs. My GOAL is still 2½. Might as well set the bar high! I won't be too upset if I only come close ... 2¼lbs would be okay too ;)

With a little help from the RIU community, I think I'll be pretty close. We'll see. I'm not done building the tent, I still have to get the environmental controls going. If I do everything right, there is no reason it shouldn't come out right ... right?
You and I have pretty similar setups, save that I grow more plants and have my atmospheric controller dialed in, so even if your strain is a little higher-yielding, I'd say that works out to about a push.

I guess my GOAL is 2lbs., by my EXPECTATION is for .75lbs. Anything over that and I'll be happy for this run.
 

laserbrn

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You and I have pretty similar setups, save that I grow more plants and have my atmospheric controller dialed in, so even if your strain is a little higher-yielding, I'd say that works out to about a push.

I guess my GOAL is 2lbs., by my EXPECTATION is for .75lbs. Anything over that and I'll be happy for this run.
That's a way more legit way of looking at it to be honest. You'll be a lot happier if you set your expectations a lot more realistic.
 

smokingrubber

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It's very uncommon for people to get those kind of goals without growing high yielding strains like Big Bud or NL-5. If you really want that big of a yeild I woulda suggested shoving 2x600w's in their and hoping for the best. Pulling 2.5lbs from a 1000w light is pretty lofty. Just don't want you to be crushed if you fall short.
I guess I won't get my hopes up too high. I know 1lb is doable because that's what I'm doing with my other grow already. That's got no environmental controls and a sorta shallow tray. That's also 12 plants, the space is 3'x6½' with a 1000w.

I've got my fingers crossed. It'll be what it'll be, and I can only fit so much canopy in a 4x4 tent. The 1000w throws off great coverage so I should be able to SOG the crap out of it. If it all fills in and I only get 1lb, then I'll know I did the best I could. 1lb of dank would stock the shelves of my vault quite nicely.
 

smokingrubber

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You and I have pretty similar setups.
That's exactly why I can't wait to see how yours turn out. You have a nice canopy going. It's not really about the number of plants, it the size of the canopy, right? My best guess is 1½ lbs for you. If I get that too, I'll be satisfied. So really my "expectation" is 1lb, but I'm aiming at 2. Anything more than 1lb would be a fantastic bonus because it would be an improvement on my other system.

IMO, if it doesn't hit 1½lbs then LST was a waiste of time. I have faith though.
 

Bob Smith

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That's exactly why I can't wait to see how yours turn out. You have a nice canopy going. It's not really about the number of plants, it the size of the canopy, right? My best guess is 1½ lbs for you. If I get that too, I'll be satisfied. So really my "expectation" is 1lb, but I'm aiming at 2. Anything more than 1lb would be a fantastic bonus because it would be an improvement on my other system.

IMO, if it doesn't hit 1½lbs then LST was a waiste of time. I have faith though.
Canopy's not bad, but it's nowhere near dead even like I plan for my next grow with 64 homogeneous clones.

Different strains, ages, and heights all will reduce my yield this time around.

Next run with 64 clones of identical height of a heavy-yielding strain, I'd be disappointed with less then 1.5 lbs.

That being said, figure it'll take me a few harvests to consistently hit 2lbs/1K.
 

smokingrubber

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That being said, figure it'll take me a few harvests to consistently hit 2lbs/1K.
Yeah you're probably right. It was a nice little pipe dream I had going though. I'll be satisfied with 1-1½lb. That'll be more than enough to share with friends and stock the shelves. What more could a man ask for?

I'm going to have to budget for a digital ballast soon. That friggin buzzin is startin to bug. I'm kinda tuned to it so I can hear it whenever there is a quiet moment on tv or something. Im worried that people can hear it outside my garage.
 

Bob Smith

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Yeah you're probably right. It was a nice little pipe dream I had going though. I'll be satisfied with 1-1½lb. That'll be more than enough to share with friends and stock the shelves. What more could a man ask for?

I'm going to have to budget for a digital ballast soon. That friggin buzzin is startin to bug. I'm kinda tuned to it so I can hear it whenever there is a quiet moment on tv or something. Im worried that people can hear it outside my garage.
Ebay is the best place for that, and some may disagree, but IMHO any old electronic will do - no need to spend 4 or 500 for a Galaxy or Lumatek when a knockoff will do the same job at half the price.
 

smokingrubber

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Ebay is the best place for that, and some may disagree, but IMHO any old electronic will do - no need to spend 4 or 500 for a Galaxy or Lumatek when a knockoff will do the same job at half the price.
Good to know. It's 4th or 5th on my priority list, but I like to start looking early so I know what to pay and how to spot a deal.

The room is looking good. All the plants are recovered and growing again. My plants are growing wider than they are taller, so getting around the pot may take a minute.

I got word on the clones last night. He finally took them 3 days ago but they're still in recovery mode. When I balked at the late start he mentioned that he may be willing to part with a few that have been vegging for a month. I don't know how that will work with LST, but I may have to find out. I think I just sold my 49er tickets, so that'll get me some much-needed nutes. Anyone need tix to the 49ers vs Lions in 2 weeks? Cheap ;)
 

laserbrn

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Good to know. It's 4th or 5th on my priority list, but I like to start looking early so I know what to pay and how to spot a deal.

The room is looking good. All the plants are recovered and growing again. My plants are growing wider than they are taller, so getting around the pot may take a minute.

I got word on the clones last night. He finally took them 3 days ago but they're still in recovery mode. When I balked at the late start he mentioned that he may be willing to part with a few that have been vegging for a month. I don't know how that will work with LST, but I may have to find out. I think I just sold my 49er tickets, so that'll get me some much-needed nutes. Anyone need tix to the 49ers vs Lions in 2 weeks? Cheap ;)
Dude...49ers and Lions? Why did you buy those in the first place? You thought Detroit was going to turn a corner? You'd have to damn near give those away.
 

smokingrubber

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I've been a Season Ticket Holder for 4 years. When you buy season tickets you get ALL the games. I had to pay the same price for preseason 49ers vs Denver as I did for MNF. All 10 games of the season are the same price. Playoff games will be the same price also (i think :( ). I pay $1,670 a year for 2 tickets and 1 parking pass in case anyone wondered.
 

laserbrn

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I've been a Season Ticket Holder for 4 years. When you buy season tickets you get ALL the games. I had to pay the same price for preseason 49ers vs Denver as I did for MNF. All 10 games of the season are the same price. Playoff games will be the same price also (i think :( ). I pay $1,670 a year for 2 tickets and 1 parking pass in case anyone wondered.
That doesn't sound terrible. I figured you were either a season ticket holder or you bought a mini-pack. I used to do that for the Lakers. I can't afford the $10,000.00+ it cost now for laker season tickets so I bought 10 home games for like @ $2450 last years in a minipack. Sold nine of them and went to a game and made a couple of bucks.

Sucks that basketball teams play 42 games per year at home so buying season tickets is a $10,000 /ticket investment unless you buy terrible seats.

Hopefully you can get something for those Lions tickets, but that's a rough one. But with only 8 home games/yr I'll bet you can still get top dollar for every game regardless of opponent.
 

smokingrubber

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Next year, I'll trade you 49ers tickets for Lakers tickets! I try to get to 1 Laker game a year, usually wrapped around a convention or a class I want to attend. This year I have a feeling ticket prices are going to be through the roof.

You suuuuure you don't wanna see the Lions game? :)
 

laserbrn

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Next year, I'll trade you 49ers tickets for Lakers tickets! I try to get to 1 Laker game a year, usually wrapped around a convention or a class I want to attend. This year I have a feeling ticket prices are going to be through the roof.

You suuuuure you don't wanna see the Lions game? :)
Haha, you must be in the IT business. That's the route I always take (traveling for a conference or class). Laker tickets are pretty pricey to sit in the good seats. Face value on my tickets is $245.00, but I didn't do it this year. I used to do it with a partner and he didn't have the money available on his credit card this year. He's a coworker and his sales have been off, so I understand, but I'll have to pay the full face value myself to go this year. Can't just sell'em all off and try to make out alright.

I don't have any reason to head out to SF this weekend and I have a 7 week old puppy here that needs me.
 

smokingrubber

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I'm all loaded up on nutes. I went with GH nutrients.

I'm using all Ionic Nutriets in my other grow, and they seems to work okay. Not every plant is super excited about them, but they are growing just fine. I just think I'm ready for something a little more advanced.

Many of the successful growers around here are using General Hydroponics stuff. So I bought the full line, along with some SM-90 and some Grotek Silicosis. I think that should cover it. I'll probably have to find a good pest control solution soon, I don't have a problem yet but I want to be proactive about it. What would you guys recommend?

I'm going home at noon today, I'll get on the reservior so that I can clean-fill-nute it all before the next watering. It also might be time to tie down the next set of branches. I'll do that while the barrel is filling (takes 5 hrs).

I couldn't talk my friend out of the large clones because he has already started to flower them. That would be a little too large for late LST . . . and they're in dirt. So I got the fresh clones locked down for pickup on sunday. They'll have some catching up to do.
 

laserbrn

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I'm all loaded up on nutes. I went with GH nutrients.

I'm using all Ionic Nutriets in my other grow, and they seems to work okay. Not every plant is super excited about them, but they are growing just fine. I just think I'm ready for something a little more advanced.

Many of the successful growers around here are using General Hydroponics stuff. So I bought the full line, along with some SM-90 and some Grotek Silicosis. I think that should cover it. I'll probably have to find a good pest control solution soon, I don't have a problem yet but I want to be proactive about it. What would you guys recommend?

I'm going home at noon today, I'll get on the reservior so that I can clean-fill-nute it all before the next watering. It also might be time to tie down the next set of branches. I'll do that while the barrel is filling (takes 5 hrs).

I couldn't talk my friend out of the large clones because he has already started to flower them. That would be a little too large for late LST . . . and they're in dirt. So I got the fresh clones locked down for pickup on sunday. They'll have some catching up to do.
I use the pyrethron foggers in my grow room. I've never had problems w/ bugs since using it. It's nasty shit, but I use it once during veg and once during the first week of flower to make sure that I don't have problems during the coming weeks when my buds are forming. Has worked thus far.
 

smokingrubber

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I have been looking at Pyreth-It https://www.jollygreenhydro.com/onlinestore/product.php?productid=16390

About a year ago I bought a small vial of concentrated Pyrethium off ebay. That worked VERY well on spider mites. They were everywhere and the dual bombs that the hydro guy kept selling me sucked. This stuff is the same thing only maybe not as dangerous to me. I can add this stuff to the res so thats better than spraying or fogging.

I tried foggers and I didn't like what they did to the plants. They left little burn spots everywhere. The plants always looked like shit for about 2 weeks after I fogged. Maybe I didn't do it right, but it seems hard to screw up. Lighting off a fogger in my tent would leave a nasty film everywhere. I would only do that as a last resort.
 
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