10.0 Uvb Light

Shrubs First

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UVC kills things on a cellular level, people are using UVC lamps to
in extremely low doses to kill fungus', and pests! Still in testing,
but eventually it seems people might either have a mover which
moves the UVC light around the plants to shorten the time it hits
one spot for too long, or they will have a chamber you place your
plant in for like 15 seconds once a week to kill harmful organisms
on the leaf surface.. Read about it in one of the new Urban Garden's,
sounds pretty dope.
 

DannyGreenEyes

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UVC kills things on a cellular level, people are using UVC lamps to
in extremely low doses to kill fungus', and pests! Still in testing,
but eventually it seems people might either have a mover which
moves the UVC light around the plants to shorten the time it hits
one spot for too long, or they will have a chamber you place your
plant in for like 15 seconds once a week to kill harmful organisms
on the leaf surface.. Read about it in one of the new Urban Garden's,
sounds pretty dope.

I have two 10.0 UVB Reptile bulbs going now. And if you've ever owned a reptile you'd know that UV isn't destructive to all life forms.

I've also done a bunch of study on this. The UV should be started before flower so you can give your plants a base tan. (plants get darker & more tollerant to UV just like us). The better the tan, the closer you can move the lights, and the more effective it will be at increasing potency. So if you start as soon as your plants are strong enough you should be albe to get them closer during flower. I've also heard that it will accelerate tricombe formation before flower giving you a head start when it comes time to flower (assuming that's true).

Also, as an added bonus they'll help keep mites, thrips, and aphids away, and they'll help fight mold/mildew.

I still want a light mover with a custom made bulb, maybe 30% UVA & 30% UVB (or something like that) for better coverage and results, but I'll still use UVB fluoros to improve overall coverage. That will have to wait for a couple of harvests though.
 

Shrubs First

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I said UVC is destructive on a cellular level. Not UVA or UVB

UVC causes damage directly to DNA, it is the highest energy and the most
dangerous type of light, there is no UVC light in your "reptile lights" so you
aren't proving anything about my statement wrong with your UVB Lights...
 

Dirtfree

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I have a question for you guys...Hopefuly it hasent been asked already. Ok here goes. I have a ozone generator. It uses a uv bulb to clean the air. I currently have my ozone inside my carbon filter so it cleans the air inside my ducts and also cools my bulb. It wasnt working that great so I took the cover of(remind you its inside the duct work) so the bulb is exposed and it works alot better. Now for the question.

Do you think I could put the UV ozone bulb inside my cooltube so the light shines down on my plants and cleans the air. I feel like it is wasted light. Any added benefits? Or is it a different bulb than you guys are talking about?

What do you guys think??
 

DannyGreenEyes

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I said UVC is destructive on a cellular level. Not UVA or UVB

UVC causes damage directly to DNA, it is the highest energy and the most
dangerous type of light, there is no UVC light in your "reptile lights" so you
aren't proving anything about my statement wrong with your UVB Lights...

My bad, I misread your post. Thought you were talking about UVA &/or UVB.

Where did you find a UVC bulb? I'd love to do some of my own experiments.
 

DannyGreenEyes

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I have a question for you guys...Hopefuly it hasent been asked already. Ok here goes. I have a ozone generator. It uses a uv bulb to clean the air. I currently have my ozone inside my carbon filter so it cleans the air inside my ducts and also cools my bulb. It wasnt working that great so I took the cover of(remind you its inside the duct work) so the bulb is exposed and it works alot better. Now for the question.

Do you think I could put the UV ozone bulb inside my cooltube so the light shines down on my plants and cleans the air. I feel like it is wasted light. Any added benefits? Or is it a different bulb than you guys are talking about?

What do you guys think??

That's an interesting idea, but unless someone has tried it, you'll have to run an experiment of your own.

I wouldn't unless you can find it's UVA & UVB rating (UVC too if it has a rating).

And if the bulb is over a year old, then don't bother. UV bulbs start loosing their UV potency after 9 to 12 months.
 

Shrubs First

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My bad, I misread your post. Thought you were talking about UVA &/or UVB.

Where did you find a UVC bulb? I'd love to do some of my own experiments.
They aren't released to general public yet, as I said people are still experimenting
power with distance, along with allotted time it takes to kill pests and fungus' without damaging plant tissue.
 

DannyGreenEyes

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They aren't released to general public yet, as I said people are still experimenting
power with distance, along with allotted time it takes to kill pests and fungus' without damaging plant tissue.

Cool, I can't wait to hear about the results.

BTW, you wouldn't happen to know if any MJ is indigenous to areas of the globe that UVC rays reach naturally?

Or maybe if any studies were ever done on MJ potency that included a grow comparison located in a part of the globe that UVC rays reach naturally?
 

Shrubs First

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Cool, I can't wait to hear about the results.

BTW, you wouldn't happen to know if any MJ is indigenous to areas of the globe that UVC rays reach naturally?

Or maybe if any studies were ever done on MJ potency that included a grow comparison located in a part of the globe that UVC rays reach naturally?
Little attention has been paid to UVC over the years because it is filtered out by
atmosphere...

I don't believe any plants receive UVC light in the wild, the ozone blocks 100% of
it.

Although UVC lights are used in the sterilization of private ponds and pools, they are
in an enclosed case which then pumps water through the UVC container and
comes in contact with the light and is than pushed back in to the pool, also
UVC wands are used in hospitals for sterilization as well....


In may 2007, two Dutch inventors, Arne Aiking and Frank Verherijen, were granted an internation patent on a method of treating live plants and mushrooms against pathogens and pests with UV-C Light. Patent Number: WO 2007/049962 A1. In the past UV-C had only been used to sterilize things like air and water. Typically the germicidal effects of UV-C were achieved through the heuristic of "overkill." Use triple the amount of UV-C you think you need and you will definitely kill whatever it is you want to kill. The water or air still remains perfectly intact after such a sterilization. The difference, of course, with proposing to use UV-C to fight pathogens and pests on living things is that you shouldn't use any more than is necessary, otherwise there is a risk of health to the plant.

While the general method of using UV-C to kill pests and molds is now public knowledge through the World Intellectual Property Organization, the owners of this and associated intellectual property are keeping te details very close to their chests. For instance, in the aforemention patent the application of UV-C is only broadly described. "It has been found that amounts of UV-C light between .0025 and .15 J/CM2 during a period of 24 hours enables not to enduce any, or at least not to enduce plant tissue damage which has a negative effect on growth and yield of the plants while still haveing an anti-pathogenic effect.

Aiking and Verheijen's UV-C lamp would travel up and down water heating pipes in between plants in greenhouses dousing the plants either side with UV-C light.

How much light? UVC Lamp intensity between 2 and 100 watts, with an effective esposure period between one second and one minute and a proximity to the pathogen growth of between 2 and 200 cm.

Now, that is s HUGE range of variables, we can break those down.

If we take the lower end first a 2 watt UVC lamp will output approximately 1000 microwatts of energy over a square centimeter, in one second, from a distance of 2 cm.

Remember the inverse square law applies to all lighting sources. At 150 cm it's less than 1 micro watt. At 200 cm it's barely anything at all.

A 100 watt UVC lamp, on the other hand will output approximately 14,000 microwatts of energy over an area of 1 cm, in one second from a distance of 2 cm. If we leave it there for one minute (the upper limit of the duration range specified in the patent) we have to multiply that figure by 60! 840,000 Microwatts.

I guess if we're going to make any modicum of sense of thise huge range of numbers, we need some data on how much UVC light is required to effectively kill various things.
 

DannyGreenEyes

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Hey everyone, I know this isn't really the right thread for plant problems, but no one else seems to know what UVB damage looks like.

I think I also have another problem or two including some nute burns on one plant, but I have to figure out what is UVb damage before I can diagnose the rest.

About 4 days ago I started them on UVB. I slowly moved them closer until they were about 21", I'm using two 10.0 UVB bulbs (18"). They were fine for the first couple of hours so I stopped checking on them every 15 minutes and I paid for it. I checked 2 hours later and many of the younger leaves were curled.

I took most of the curled leaves when I took clones the next day since most of the young leaves were low on the plant. And I haven't turned the UVBs back on yet.

Can you take a look at the pics and let me know if you can identify anything that could be UVB damage?

Thanks and +rep for help.
 

DannyGreenEyes

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id say spf 50 should do the trick.

Real cute, I need help here.

Someone else suggested pH fluctuations for twisted leaves and maybe brown spots. But I've been pHing the water to 6.3 - 6.5.

But assuming for a second that those things are pH problems, then what about the leaves that are almost cut in half. Could the UVB have dried out the leaves bad enough to allow wind damage like that from my fan?

Any other ideas?
 

RichED

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i use a uvb 20 light in week 4 of flower for some reason i decided to look at trichs under the scope they were half milky at 4 weeks

i started at 3 hours a day when i noticed trichs i switched to 1 hour and moved the light from top of plants to side of plants both withen a foot from plant

is this a problem are trichs going to be dark brown by harvest time at this rate before harvest
 

kappainf

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Hey everyone, I know this isn't really the right thread for plant problems, but no one else seems to know what UVB damage looks like.

I think I also have another problem or two including some nute burns on one plant, but I have to figure out what is UVb damage before I can diagnose the rest.

About 4 days ago I started them on UVB. I slowly moved them closer until they were about 21", I'm using two 10.0 UVB bulbs (18"). They were fine for the first couple of hours so I stopped checking on them every 15 minutes and I paid for it. I checked 2 hours later and many of the younger leaves were curled.

I took most of the curled leaves when I took clones the next day since most of the young leaves were low on the plant. And I haven't turned the UVBs back on yet.

Can you take a look at the pics and let me know if you can identify anything that could be UVB damage?

Thanks and +rep for help.

Looks like nute burn to me, pics of the whole plants would help more.
 

DannyGreenEyes

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Looks like nute burn to me, pics of the whole plants would help more.
Thanks but the leaf damage turned out to be Broad Mites. No one seemed to be able to identify it because these Mites are pretty rare I guess.

The rest was nute defiencies, I figured that out by myself last night. I grew some monster roots with the help of Mycorrhiza and I'm learning about taking care of plants with bigger and more effective root systems now.
 

SeriousSmoker

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quick question
this thread is long and im tired dont want to go through it all.

Whats the overall consensus on adding UVB lights to your grow. Is it worth the time and money?
 
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