For All Cap Ebb and Grow Users

[mrduke]

smokingrubber do you run a table like this? do you have any pics of one sounds awsome i'd love to see it in action.

 

[smokingrubber]

smokingrubber do you run a table like this? do you have any pics of one sounds awsome i'd love to see it in action.

No, I have the buckets going. (pic of my setup is a few posts up)

My friend and I were talking, and he said "too bad you can't use a regular flood table." I thought about it and realized YOU CAN. You can cover more sqft with the buckets . . . per controller. That doesn't mean you can't have two controllers running two tables off the same res. Stagger the floods and viola. I will have to chew on it a little more before my next cycle, might build it. MIGHT. I don't have much to complain about with the buckets so far.

 

[thehiena]

I was once advised that I should turn my ebb n gro system into bubbler buckets or DWC, anybody have an idea about this>? thank you.

 

[doogleef]

I was once advised that I should turn my ebb n gro system into bubbler buckets or DWC, anybody have an idea about this>? thank you.

Why on earth would you do that?

The controller bucket giving you the ability to ebb/flow these buckets is the coolest thing about the whole system. Making it DWC would ruin the intent.

 

[morrisgreenberg]

i agree, although it is an easy process, all you need to do is hook up the buckets, make a controller, get net pot lids and some strong air pumps, but i never liked the idea of roots in water all day, its just me, the whole point of the cap system is when it drains the buckets suck oxygen through the clay pellets, this is the main reason you will see much better performance if instead you were using a flood table

 

[thehiena]

Thank you guys, now heres another question, these system has 2 gallon buckets so how tall the plant should be?

 

[smokingrubber]

Love the thread. I'm just getting started. I'm interested in any info you have on disifecting the system. Ive read Im supposed to do it every month or so?

I'm going to tear this down and upgrade to 24 buckets - 2000kw - 4x8 tent in about 2 weeks. Stay tuned.

That was me 12 days ago.
And now . . .

I got the 4x9 tent yesterday but Im waiting on the mail for some other key parts before I can expand.

Diggin the pots and I'll love the controller a lot more when I figure out where to put it. I'm planning on building a small pedistool for the dehumidifier to sit on. I'll place the dehumidifier over the controller so that it can drain into the controller. That water will automatically get pumped back to the reservior. Has anyone here done that before and can offer any advise? I will run to a bucket first and check the tds, but I'm pretty sure it'll be pure.

What is the optimum spacing for these buckets? How much canopy can they handle each? For me, this run will be 8 pots stretched out (gonna merk the babies) in the 4x9. That's over 4 sqft per plant. Under 2 1000w Hortilux. I've been playing with spacing diagrams on autocad. I just dont know what the optimum spacing is for plants in a 2 gal bucket?

 

[thehiena]

Those plants are fucking beautiful, can you gives any info on how you vegging those beautiful plants and what strain are those?

 

[smokingrubber]

Those plants are fucking beautiful, can you gives any info on how you vegging those beautiful plants and what strain are those?

Thank you.

Im vegging them using the ebb & grow (duh) and a 1000w Warm Sun MH. Im using the full recipe suggested by these bloodsuckers http://www.generalhydroponics.com/calculator/index.html (plus a couple extra things) and flooding every 3 hrs (during day). Rez temp is a constant 70f and the ph between 5.8 - 6.1. Thats it. Oh, and Im sucking about 300-400 cfm (800cfm max) through a Can66 filter and an air cooled hood.

The plants on the left are all A-Train by TH Seeds and the plants on the right are Blue Hash by Dinafem. I mauled a couple so its not all their fault The sativa in the middle-front is Lemon Skunk by DNA and there is a LA Woman in there too. Those were freebies from Attitude. That beast in the front is a Blue Hash. ATrain seems just a stout.

You are welcome to follow my journal to find out if I fuck it all up.

 

[morrisgreenberg]

plant like to get bushy in this system, lots of side branching, one thing about size is in hydro pot size doesnt matter as much as if it were soil, 4footers finished is perfect, 3-4 weeks of veg with a good topping is even better. you can top the plants at 2 weeks into veg, this will give side branching to join the canopy and you will have a great yield, by accident you should be looking at 70g dried, dialed in and strain i dont see how you cant get 6oz per pot. since they get bushy you might want to give them space, it looks like its getting crowded in there so i guess its all about your desired size of plant and such, also for your next run depending on if you have flimsy branches you mitgh want to consider tomato cages, those look rock solid so it dont look like it needs support

 

[doogleef]

I've grown 6ft trees in 2 gallon pots of dirt. You could grow to the ceiling in these 2 gallon dro buckets.

 

[morrisgreenberg]

only thing i hate about this system is i like to clean it thoro between runs, i take it apart from soup to nuts, and cleaning the clay is right behind it but you can take it from me nothing outperforms aeroponics and yet i still ditched it for this system. set it and forget it

 

[smokingrubber]

only thing i hate about this system is i like to clean it thoro between runs, i take it apart from soup to nuts, and cleaning the clay is right behind it but you can take it from me nothing outperforms aeroponics and yet i still ditched it for this system. set it and forget it

Me too. I plan to take it apart, clean everything and simply replace all of the hosing and hydroton. 30 bucks for 100ft of hose. 80 bucks for 2 new bags of rocks. Just part of the cost imo. The roots are crawling into the hoses and the easiest way to clean all that is to cut them off. Measure out new pieces based on the old pieces and viola.

They are getting cramped! Thats why I'm doubling the sqft next week. Then probably 1 more week of veg just to let everyone fill in and BAM we're off and flowerin'

 

[morrisgreenberg]

they look amazing...still have yet to see anyone with this system have a shitty run. personally my advice to you is pick out your keeper strains and if running multiples try to pick out ones that are compatible, ya know like feeding tendancies, your nutes may burn one strain and you wont be able to get all the potential from another

 

[obie83]

just ordered this same system with the 6 bucket add on and was wondering what size grow tent should i go with and would 2000watt hps be enough light for 18 buckets or should i just buy another one. trying to get at least 3lbs per crop. any help would be appericated. going with NL x Big bud

 

[smokingrubber]

I suggest the GrowLab GL145L 4'-9" x 9'-6" w/ 2k. 18 buckets will be enough imo. I'm using 8 buckets in that size tent and I expect 2lbs.

Check my journal.

 

[Don Cirilo]

What do u guys think of placing one of those flat airstones in each bucket
Also GTS how tall did tour plants get? I thought those 2 gallons were not going to be large enough for tall plants so i got 5 gallon buckets. Now im starting to believe it was not necessary

 

[doogleef]

No need for a stone in each bucket. The flood cycle refreshes that water every few hours. You should have a few large stones and fairly big pump in your rez tho. I cheat and use h2o2 instead. ::

 

[1ostbo1z]

Great idea! I'm interested in hearing from experienced users.

I did a DIY control bucket and I'm currently using it as a recirculating DWC. I'm following Lucas Formula which has been very stable. I'm flowering with Botanicare Pro Bloom & CalMag.

Next grow will be a true E&G.

hey blueybong i would like to hear and see more pics of your set up ( recirculating dwc ).

if ne one wants to build there own controller here is a link to the aquahub kit. basically its the brain to control the whole system: http://www.aquahub.com/store/product26.html
im currently growing in sunshine (handwatering) and that shit is a real real real pain so would like to switch to the cap EnG

 

[1ostbo1z]

also what i dont get is the res pumps water to the controller and how does the controller gets water to the 12 buckets or whatever.