Kriegs
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Thanks... welcome aboard
Well, that particular plant doesn't look so great..., but welcome just the same.
Tis the season: bubblelicious and superskunk 400W grow
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Well, that particular plant doesn't look so great..., but welcome just the same.
Kriegs
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Went to say Happy New Year to the girls this morning. They all looked so happy after a good drench yesterday that I took some gratuitous pic's.
The one SS getting experimental Mg treatment is the first three shots. So far, she's looking better (emphasis on "so far" - they fooled me before). I'm going to keep the "daily picture" going for awhile; I'll put up the series when I have 5-7 days worth, or something convincing to show. The upcurl is still there, but it looks more relaxed and like some of the chorosis receded. Still see a couple tips going necrotic, so I'm not convinced yet.
Next pic is my best bubblelicious - she's just tearing it up.
The last two pics are what I think is the best looking SS so far. You can see she has the "upcurl" too, just not as bad and seems like the whole plant is maturing out of the problem.
This is becoming an annual tradition that I really, really enjoy - The Winter Grow. Work starts slowing down in early Dec when I germ, and for the holidays, I take a couple weeks on vacation. By then, the plants are up and showing something new every day, and I have a lot of coffee time to watch it all happen. It's the best...
Comments welcome.
The one SS getting experimental Mg treatment is the first three shots. So far, she's looking better (emphasis on "so far" - they fooled me before). I'm going to keep the "daily picture" going for awhile; I'll put up the series when I have 5-7 days worth, or something convincing to show. The upcurl is still there, but it looks more relaxed and like some of the chorosis receded. Still see a couple tips going necrotic, so I'm not convinced yet.
Next pic is my best bubblelicious - she's just tearing it up.
The last two pics are what I think is the best looking SS so far. You can see she has the "upcurl" too, just not as bad and seems like the whole plant is maturing out of the problem.
This is becoming an annual tradition that I really, really enjoy - The Winter Grow. Work starts slowing down in early Dec when I germ, and for the holidays, I take a couple weeks on vacation. By then, the plants are up and showing something new every day, and I have a lot of coffee time to watch it all happen. It's the best...
Comments welcome.
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Kriegs
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1. Start out in small pots with a cool medium. Up-can.
2. Invest in a bank of flouro's for the early veg stages. The HID is just too intense for this, and creates this tap-dance between light height, and seedling stretch. Can be done, yes, but unnecessary stress for me.
3. Water fully EVERY time you water. By starting in a cool medium, you have no worries about releasing pre-added nutes before it's time. If you have drain holes and a lofty medium, overwatering is near-impossible.
4. Start with 1.5 - 2X as many plants as desired; cull out the sicklies. Don't slow down / manage the grow to the weakest member.
5. Feminized seeds next year for sure. Yeah, they hermie once in awhile, but that's no big deal if you're on top of your plants every day and have a sharp eye. If you're not breeding, why why why mess with males?
6. Don't use CaCO3 lime.... Get off your ass and find CaMgCO3 (dolomite).
This is my advice to myself; you all probably already know these things, or they're things that just apply to me and my situation. But if they help you, fantastic.
Sometimes, "simple" is served by being a little more complicated upfront, and deploying a little more critical thinking. Then, things flow and become simple.
2. Invest in a bank of flouro's for the early veg stages. The HID is just too intense for this, and creates this tap-dance between light height, and seedling stretch. Can be done, yes, but unnecessary stress for me.
3. Water fully EVERY time you water. By starting in a cool medium, you have no worries about releasing pre-added nutes before it's time. If you have drain holes and a lofty medium, overwatering is near-impossible.
4. Start with 1.5 - 2X as many plants as desired; cull out the sicklies. Don't slow down / manage the grow to the weakest member.
5. Feminized seeds next year for sure. Yeah, they hermie once in awhile, but that's no big deal if you're on top of your plants every day and have a sharp eye. If you're not breeding, why why why mess with males?
6. Don't use CaCO3 lime.... Get off your ass and find CaMgCO3 (dolomite).
This is my advice to myself; you all probably already know these things, or they're things that just apply to me and my situation. But if they help you, fantastic.
Sometimes, "simple" is served by being a little more complicated upfront, and deploying a little more critical thinking. Then, things flow and become simple.
Drella
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do you ever clone? yeah t5's are the best. check out my grow, i got no complaints! the medium i use i sunshine mix 4, totally cool. made from perlite and peat moss. you add the nutes, so you have all of the control. next time im gonna use coco though, it's better, and doesn't f%ck up the enviornment.
Kriegs
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I didn't clone last year, but I would like to do some soil layering this year to generate a few starts to go outdoors after this one wraps up. But yeah, a bank of flouros would be nice for that, too.
Dayzt
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Nice grow so far! Looking at them and how the lower leaves got burned a little - i'd change your initial soil (in the small pots at the start) to something more basic so you have control over the nutrients. The slow-release nutes in that soil will often do that, and your plants don't need ANY nutrients for the first few weeks... but I think you already knew that! =)
Looks like they are going to make now though since they are past that stage and showing nice new growth over top of those leaves. The initial stress from that may mean you'll need to give them another good flush yet though... play it by ear.
Looks like they are going to make now though since they are past that stage and showing nice new growth over top of those leaves. The initial stress from that may mean you'll need to give them another good flush yet though... play it by ear.
Dayzt
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I see you're in MI.... you should be able to melt some snow and use that water - it's what I did in my last grow at one point, and the girls seemed to really like it! I used rainwater the rest of the grow and never had to adjust ph. Here's a link to that grow: https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/246834-bagseed-barneys-blue-cheese.html
Drella
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right on mang! out door would be nice, i think im just too sketched with the catipillars and neighbors.
Drella
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damn, that was quick!
Kriegs
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Yup ... that's the way I'm going into the future. Next year, I'll be starting in party cups with FF light warrior, a MG organic / seed starter 50-50 mix or similar, and a bank of T5 flouros.Nice grow so far! Looking at them and how the lower leaves got burned a little - i'd change your initial soil (in the small pots at the start) to something more basic so you have control over the nutrients. The slow-release nutes in that soil will often do that, and your plants don't need ANY nutrients for the first few weeks... but I think you already knew that! =)
Looks like they are going to make now though since they are past that stage and showing nice new growth over top of those leaves. The initial stress from that may mean you'll need to give them another good flush yet though... play it by ear.
Thinking about my "Mg deficiency" experiment... Even if the test plant pulls out, it won't prove anything, because the untreated plants are pulling out, too. I think they're just "maturing into the soil" if you know what I mean - gotten big enough to use what is being offered nute-wise. The whole issue was probably just over-nutes, as you say.
I've been watering heavier to try to keep more water in the moisture - salt balance. Yes, it may release more nutes in the pre-ferted soil, but I think it also drives them down the soil column and out the bottom, too, and the whole balance is better. Everyone has been doing better since I stepped up the water, stressed or not. The last watering was like a mini-flush, and they seemed to really love it based on how they look now.
Thanks for the snow-melt tip; don't know why I didn't think of that. Do you know, BTW, that the natural pH of rainwater is 5.7? And it's usually lower than that due to atmospheric pollutants? I just throw that out there for thought-provocation on the "I must pH my water to 6.5" paradigm. One I don't believe in BTW.. my tap water is 8.0 out of the faucet and I use it straight-up. I de-gas the chlorine off it, but that's it.
Thanks for dropping in, and your input
Kriegs
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She's growing sick-fast, isn't she? Day-um.. Hope she doesn't burn herself out or turn male, although last year, my strongest starters were my strongest finishers and were mostly female. I have another Bub that's growing nearly as good, but is more lanky with thinner leaves. I suspect that one is male; we'll see. I'll post pics of all on the 4-weeks-seed-to-soil mark (tomorrow). Bubblelicious definitely is a noob-approved strain; the stuff is bullet-proof. Not to be confused with "Bubblegum", which is sativa-dominant and trickier, I hear.
The Bub's are what I'm planning to run the soil layering on. I'd like to get 4-6 clones up and running for outdoor this year. I tried starting from seed last year - what a joke. I have a garden just chock-full of every plant imaginable, including plenty of seedlings of this and that. Well, something honed right in on the MJ and ate them up to the exclusion of the 200 or so other species I have back there. About a dozen pure Thai seedlings down the drain...
I'm not even sure what our law says about indoor / outdoor; it's probably just number of plants. In which case, the neighbors can just.. .(hey... be nice..!).
Kriegs
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Okay, day four since my struggling superskunk got an epsom salt treatment.
The first four pictures are in order day 1-4. The last two are comparisons of the Espsom-treated plant, and a different one left to its own devices (untreated on the right).
The struggler seems to be looking better, but is it better because of the epsom salt? Or because it's gotten better accommodated to its artificial environment? It does look better just compared to itself, but compared to the other two untreated superskunks, it's fallen behind. I would have ranked it in the middle when I first started.
The larger size and superior health of the untreated plants argues the latter -- the plants have just "grown into" their environment. Another possible explanation -- watering more thoroughly and creating a better balance with the soil salts.
From everything I can tell, my SS's had pretty classic "Mg deficiency" symptoms (interveinal chlorosis, upturned edges, necrotic tips, worse toward the bottom), yet the epsom treatment, if anything, is slowing the plant down. For what it's worth...
The first four pictures are in order day 1-4. The last two are comparisons of the Espsom-treated plant, and a different one left to its own devices (untreated on the right).
The struggler seems to be looking better, but is it better because of the epsom salt? Or because it's gotten better accommodated to its artificial environment? It does look better just compared to itself, but compared to the other two untreated superskunks, it's fallen behind. I would have ranked it in the middle when I first started.
The larger size and superior health of the untreated plants argues the latter -- the plants have just "grown into" their environment. Another possible explanation -- watering more thoroughly and creating a better balance with the soil salts.
From everything I can tell, my SS's had pretty classic "Mg deficiency" symptoms (interveinal chlorosis, upturned edges, necrotic tips, worse toward the bottom), yet the epsom treatment, if anything, is slowing the plant down. For what it's worth...
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Drella
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good luck with the out door, have you considered building or buying a green house?I'm not even sure what our law says about indoor / outdoor; it's probably just number of plants. In which case, the neighbors can just.. .(hey... be nice..!).
Kriegs
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Nah.. a little too complicated for this Joe.. and my backyard is kind of taken up anyway. These gals will have to share space with the echinaceas and milkweeds in the beds...
Kriegs
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Nah... the only things I plan to do are... 1) control height so they aren't seen... and 2) make sure they get water if we have a dry spell.
This would be mostly for fun, just to try to get some MJ grown in the real sun.
If I see a pest attack, I'll deal with it then in a manner depending on what state the plants are in and how serious I think it could get. If they're still in pure veg, I might use something more certain than neem oil.
I try not to use any materials that attack animal tissues (ie. bugs) in my outdoor garden, unless I see something is in dire need of a bailout. The biological systems that pesticides attack in bugs are the same systems as in worms, lizards, birds, butterflies... etc. Very different than herbicides, which target plant cell biology specifically.
Kriegs
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Here they are at the 4-week mark. The superskunks look like they're over their issues; the bubblelicious never really had any and have been happy all along.
The first three pics are the bubblelicious; the next three the superskunks. The superskunk pic's are ordered best to worst. The last superskunk is the one that got the epsom salt treatment. Recovered? Looks like it, but again, the others recovered on their own and left this one behind. So fuck epsom salts (just kidding.. ease up
).
The last shot is a group shot. Happy plants all around now, just the way I like it.
A few basic stats: 2-gal pots; MG moisture control soil; 400W MH; 12" off the top of the tallest plant. Ambient temp: 74-76; canopy temp 78-82 (depends whose canopy). Dechlorinated tap water at pH 8.0. No added nutes; none planned.
This grow is rolling now. I see another week; maybe 10 days in veg, then 12/12. I'd like my median height to be about 12" when I make the switch. I waited until 15-17" last year and it got pretty combative in there toward the end.
Happy viewing...
The first three pics are the bubblelicious; the next three the superskunks. The superskunk pic's are ordered best to worst. The last superskunk is the one that got the epsom salt treatment. Recovered? Looks like it, but again, the others recovered on their own and left this one behind. So fuck epsom salts (just kidding.. ease up
).The last shot is a group shot. Happy plants all around now, just the way I like it.
A few basic stats: 2-gal pots; MG moisture control soil; 400W MH; 12" off the top of the tallest plant. Ambient temp: 74-76; canopy temp 78-82 (depends whose canopy). Dechlorinated tap water at pH 8.0. No added nutes; none planned.
This grow is rolling now. I see another week; maybe 10 days in veg, then 12/12
. I'd like my median height to be about 12" when I make the switch. I waited until 15-17" last year and it got pretty combative in there toward the end.Happy viewing...
