Lollipopping

[Uncle Ben]

When they started to get to tall and I had to trim them back a second time, perhaps I got too aggressive with them and they didn't like it, on top of that having provided limited food over the last couple weeks

You need to find a nutrional balance, and be careful regarding the swings. You don't want to do an "aw shit" regarding too much salts and then swing back the other way and do another "aw shit" by not providing proper nutrition. The links provided will tell you what macros support what functions in a plant. For example, if you're plants are not receiving enough N they will react by being stunted, yellowish in color, lower leaf drop.....

Also NPK and TDS are still unknown acronyms for me.

If your Total Dissolved Solids, TDS, is outrageous, you'll stress out the plants by inducing moisture stress, root burn, etc. See my sig link.

Good luck,
UB

 

[Hiesman]

Hey uncle ben check out my thread... i need some vets on there.

https://www.rollitup.org/harvesting-curing/293177-all-my-exp-growers-begginers.html

 

[stinkbudd1]

You need to find a nutrional balance, and be careful regarding the swings. You don't want to do an "aw shit" regarding too much salts and then swing back the other way and do another "aw shit" by not providing proper nutrition. The links provided will tell you what macros support what functions in a plant. For example, if you're plants are not receiving enough N they will react by being stunted, yellowish in color, lower leaf drop.....



If your Total Dissolved Solids, TDS, is outrageous, you'll stress out the plants by inducing moisture stress, root burn, etc. See my sig link.

Good luck,
UB

Hey UB, on my first grow i took off all of my really large fan leaves, to so called help the light get to other areas of the plant. The quality of bud was great,and the quantity was not bad for a 14 1/2" plant flowered early i got just under an ounce with 300 watts of cfl's. This time around im doing something different, im not removing the leaves, but i'm taking them and rolling them into like a cigar very loosely and putting a rubber band around them my plant is recieving lots of light and i can tell the difference from last grow at this stge to this one..i was wondering is there any side effects to doing this or not? leaves are still very green, the strain was blue mystic in both cases.. thanks Peace Pot Prosperity

 

[DaveCoulier]

Hey UB, on my first grow i took off all of my really large fan leaves, to so called help the light get to other areas of the plant. The quality of bud was great,and the quantity was not bad for a 14 1/2" plant flowered early i got just under an ounce with 300 watts of cfl's. This time around im doing something different, im not removing the leaves, but i'm taking them and rolling them into like a cigar very loosely and putting a rubber band around them my plant is recieving lots of light and i can tell the difference from last grow at this stge to this one..i was wondering is there any side effects to doing this or not? leaves are still very green, the strain was blue mystic in both cases.. thanks Peace Pot Prosperity

Are you doing this because you think buds actually photosynthesize better than leaves?

Btw, I dont think UB will like the rubberbands.

 

[Uncle Ben]

No comment, to put it nicely.

 

[stinkbudd1]

Are you doing this because you think buds actually photosynthesize better than leaves?

Btw, I dont think UB will like the rubberbands.

im asking because i dont know! what is the purpose of light penitration? are you saying bud sights need no light?my plants are flowering do the bud sights need light or not? if not why is there so much concern with supplying light to these areas? thats my ?????

 

[stinkbudd1]

No comment, to put it nicely.

i try to ask you a question, a real one on my behalf that gets cracked with sorry ass ridicule. I would not ask if i new, maybe the others are right if something works that is not your way of doing, you get real shitty thats just what we need here at RIU..so to put it nicely fuck off...idot

 

[Uncle Ben]

i try to ask you a question, a real one on my behalf that gets cracked with sorry ass ridicule. I would not ask if i new, maybe the others are right if something works that is not your way of doing, you get real shitty thats just what we need here at RIU..so to put it nicely fuck off...idot

No comment, to put it nicely.

 

[DaveCoulier]

im asking because i dont know! what is the purpose of light penitration? are you saying bud sights need no light?my plants are flowering do the bud sights need light or not? if not why is there so much concern with supplying light to these areas? thats my ?????

Im sure the buds do benefit from light, but rolling the leaves into tubes is more harm than good. If you want more light to get to lower levels of the plant give them more space between each other, use side lighting, or use vertical lighting, etc, etc. Dont go reducing the effectiveness of the fan leaves to compensate for a lack of light reaching the mid/bottom of the plant.

i try to ask you a question, a real one on my behalf that gets cracked with sorry ass ridicule. I would not ask if i new, maybe the others are right if something works that is not your way of doing, you get real shitty thats just what we need here at RIU..so to put it nicely fuck off...idot

You know you should be really happy he took it easy on you. The fact that you already realized your plants are farther along with the leaves on should have lead you to believe rolling them into tubes is well dumb.

Most of the time he'd say what you did was pretty damned dumb, and you'd look like a real idiot, but it looks like you've already gotten that well covered.

 

[stinkbudd1]

Im sure the buds do benefit from light, but rolling the leaves into tubes is more harm than good. If you want more light to get to lower levels of the plant give them more space between each other, use side lighting, or use vertical lighting, etc, etc. Dont go reducing the effectiveness of the fan leaves to compensate for a lack of light reaching the mid/bottom of the plant.



You know you should be really happy he took it easy on you. The fact that you already realized your plants are farther along with the leaves on should have lead you to believe rolling them into tubes is well dumb.

Most of the time he'd say what you did was pretty damned dumb, and you'd look like a real idiot, but it looks like you've already gotten that well covered.

well dave, you know if he had said what you said that would of been fine, you answered the question i asked no matter how dumb it may seem to have been. I here lots of different shit here if your claim to fame is to assist others why act like a prick in doing so? and then in your effort to suck-up to his BS you hit me with your BS, real professional from you both...Men ive been on this sight for over 6 months and have never been associated with shit starting or being an ass to anyone no matter what the question if i cant answer without being rude or a complete ass towards someone then i dont comment at all...Peace Pot Prosperity still to you both.also being new does not have to make one stupid...

 

[DaveCoulier]

well dave, you know if he had said what you said that would of been fine, you answered the question i asked no matter how dumb it may seem to have been. I here lots of different shit here if your claim to fame is to assist others why act like a prick in doing so? and then in your effort to suck-up to his BS you hit me with your BS, real professional from you both...Men ive been on this sight for over 6 months and have never been associated with shit starting or being an ass to anyone no matter what the question if i cant answer without being rude or a complete ass towards someone then i dont comment at all...Peace Pot Prosperity still to you both.also being new does not have to make one stupid...

Theres nothing wrong with asking dumb questions. Its the only way you can learn, but expect to get responses you may not like sometimes.

As for UBs response, he didn't deserve to be told to "Fuck Off." When he said no comment, that was helping you. He basically said what you were doing was not smart without belittling you in anyway, yet you took it the wrong way and insulted him. If me pointing out you being out of line constitutes me sucking up to him, then so be it.

 

[del66666]

what a big suck up you are indeed ..........................

 

[NavySupra]

I took a trip today and although I didn't take a picture, I noticed that "lollipoping" occurs naturally to trees. Though I would say that it adversely effects the quantity of whatever they produce because the rest of the tree looks dead.

I have to point this out, under natural growing conditions these plants do not grow rubber bands around their leaves to deal with space problems, they just accept that the lower leaves do not get as much light. So either lollipop the thing and report your success or, leave it alone and let the leaves collect as much precious light as they can. Trying to make UB look like the bad guy because he didn't have the heart to tell you how challenged your idea was, isn't the answer.

 

[Uncle Ben]

I took a trip today and although I didn't take a picture, I noticed that "lollipoping" occurs naturally to trees. Though I would say that it adversely effects the quantity of whatever they produce because the rest of the tree looks dead.

I have to point this out, under natural growing conditions these plants do not grow rubber bands around their leaves to deal with space problems, they just accept that the lower leaves do not get as much light. So either lollipop the thing and report your success or, leave it alone and let the leaves collect as much precious light as they can. Trying to make UB look like the bad guy because he didn't have the heart to tell you how challenged your idea was, isn't the answer.

Good observation on trees, perennials. It's nature's way to lose the lower branches on many forms of perennials. Sometimes you'll get lower output called 'suckers', but the auxins collect in their highest amounts from the top on down, with the laterals getting the least. And under crowded forest conditions, trees will always grow tall seeking more light, it's a competitive thingie.

Change gears - your goodies are on their way.

 

[HookedOnChronic]

stink your idea isnt horrible lol, i kno what you mean by trying to get light through your plant

basically your idea stinkbud just decreases the ability of the leaf to photosynthesize because instead of covering 5-10 inches u rolled it up into 1 inch

did u try doing that stink? might work half decent, plus your buds wont be shaded

 

[stinkbudd1]

stink your idea isnt horrible lol, i kno what you mean by trying to get light through your plant

basically your idea stinkbud just decreases the ability of the leaf to photosynthesize because instead of covering 5-10 inches u rolled it up into 1 inch

did u try doing that stink? might work half decent, plus your buds wont be shaded

Thats what i actually did, i still have more than 2" of leaf getting light the leafs before were 1 1/2 times my hand size and i have huge hands..But yeah i understand about getting the photosynthesize thing, yet so many here say when you flower get those lights as close to the buds as you can. If it is of no purpose than why, is all i needed to know.hey thanks hooked

 

[Uncle Ben]

....yet so many here say when you flower get those lights as close to the buds as you can.

Yeah, so many say alot of things around here, most of it incorrect. You DO NOT want to get your lights close to the plant material such that you bleach out the chlorophyll, that's noob chatter. For starts, the parrots you speak of never consider that cannabis in its natural environment receives far less light during flowering than it does during veg.

For the record, buds have very little potential for photosynthesis. The best apples I've ever eaten were shaded all their lives.

 

[stinkbudd1]

Yeah, so many say alot of things around here, most of it incorrect. You DO NOT want to get your lights close to the plant material such that you bleach out the chlorophyll, that's noob chatter. For starts, the parrots you speak of never consider that cannabis in its natural environment receives far less light during flowering than it does during veg.

For the record, buds have very little potential for photosynthesis. The best apples I've ever eaten were shaded all their lives.

Thank you Uncle Ben, that is really appreciated and yes i do look to you for knowledge when needed, and still will. But bro just relax, on here you are a teacher to many so dont discourage those that need your help by making them look like bonafide idots because they dont share your knowledge..but anyway Peace Pot Prosperity..

 

[del66666]

kiss...........kiss............plenty more room up there yet...........dont be shy....

 

[Joe Camel]

I forget if everyone here is still on the anti- lollipopping or what.
But I wanted to share my experience.

I think what I did counts as a lollipop.
This was a 2-3 week clones. with the bottom couple nodes whacked off.
Strain: White Widow
Vegg: 2.5 weeks
Flower: 11 weeks

This is the first time Ive grown a small plant as in least amount of vegg time.
I can just say that Trimming was a breeze. I cant really think of the any overwhelming justifications except of less space.
You can really pack a lot of small plants in the same area as 2 or 3 bushes. But anyways here is that little booger.