closet.cult
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You guys aren't understanding the meaning of medicine. you can use any drug socially or medicinally. whether or not you're sick will determine the effect of the drug on you.
WTF Medical Marijuana
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skunkushybrid
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A man that talks sense.IMHO no matter what you are using marijuana for it has the same affect.Wether it be pain, stress, anxiety it all boils down to being stoned. I have never heard of anyone say they smoke weed for pain relief and it just takes away the pain and thats it. If that is what some of you are claiming, then you are lying. Marijuana does not take away pain. It gets you stoned which makes you more able to deal with it
You all talk about side effects with modern medicines... it just so happens that a side effect of marijuana is getting stoned.
Much better to be stoned right? Pain relief? That is the stone. Pain takes a lot of forms.
giagemgal
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You are a crabby mean ol man who has nothing to do but make posts and then twist the words to try and make others look like they don't know what THEY are reading.
You might be trying to say one thing, but your words on the page are definately saying another.
I wish they would legalize it for everyone. This debate would be over and everyone would be happy. No one dies from it, you can't overdose, everyone gets usually happy and it is much less harmful than anything else I can thing of, including alcohol.
Patients want an alternative from man made meds. I think the Doctors do the very best they can, but the FDA slows things down because they don't want people cured. They have the cure for diabetes was found right in Washington State. The FDA has it locked up for years now. Medicine has come a long ways even since I was a child.
I understand your disdain for medical staff....ie doctors. But here is a point that many don't think of...
What do you call the guy who graduated at the bottom of medical school?
Doctor
Some are much better at their job than others. Some are so good they do amazing things like make my neighbor go from having a severe back issue to no pain now. She was basically cut off at the waist and through she would never walk again.
Insurance companies also have a hand in how a doctor works now. In order to be "on the contract" you have to reduce your hourly rates and charges to fit what the insurance believes to be an average fair wage. This hurts a lot of doctors practices. If you are not "on contract" you have to go faster and not spend the time with each patient like he or she should. Bad diagnosis and the wrong meds get perscribed because the insurance has them by the..............
INFORMATION YOU HAVE TO KNOW
If you go to the hospital and you don't have insurance, you are paying full price. If the proceedure is $2000, you will pay the entire amount.
But, if you have insurance, that same proceedure is discounted to $900 (approximately) and then you pay your co -pay.
So....why do you have to pay full price if you don't have insurance. Because, when you default on the payment because no one likes to pay doctor bills; they know they are getting half after sending it to the collection agencys. Which means, they still got the same amount or even a bit more than they would have if you had insurance.
Confusing? Very.
You might be trying to say one thing, but your words on the page are definately saying another.
I wish they would legalize it for everyone. This debate would be over and everyone would be happy. No one dies from it, you can't overdose, everyone gets usually happy and it is much less harmful than anything else I can thing of, including alcohol.
Patients want an alternative from man made meds. I think the Doctors do the very best they can, but the FDA slows things down because they don't want people cured. They have the cure for diabetes was found right in Washington State. The FDA has it locked up for years now. Medicine has come a long ways even since I was a child.
I understand your disdain for medical staff....ie doctors. But here is a point that many don't think of...
What do you call the guy who graduated at the bottom of medical school?
Doctor
Some are much better at their job than others. Some are so good they do amazing things like make my neighbor go from having a severe back issue to no pain now. She was basically cut off at the waist and through she would never walk again.
Insurance companies also have a hand in how a doctor works now. In order to be "on the contract" you have to reduce your hourly rates and charges to fit what the insurance believes to be an average fair wage. This hurts a lot of doctors practices. If you are not "on contract" you have to go faster and not spend the time with each patient like he or she should. Bad diagnosis and the wrong meds get perscribed because the insurance has them by the..............
INFORMATION YOU HAVE TO KNOW
If you go to the hospital and you don't have insurance, you are paying full price. If the proceedure is $2000, you will pay the entire amount.
But, if you have insurance, that same proceedure is discounted to $900 (approximately) and then you pay your co -pay.
So....why do you have to pay full price if you don't have insurance. Because, when you default on the payment because no one likes to pay doctor bills; they know they are getting half after sending it to the collection agencys. Which means, they still got the same amount or even a bit more than they would have if you had insurance.
Confusing? Very.
nowstopwhining
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ok so you are saying mmj is good then?
because at first you were saying mmj doesnt do a damn thing....
I dont get what you are really trying to say here.
I reread through the whole thread and it seems like you keep changing your mind, if only slightly.
giagemgal
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nowstopwhining
Too many brownies
same to you man
donnieosmond
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Well, as you can see you're clearly wrong about mm being a load of bs. that said, people DO like to get stoned. however, there are people out there who didn't smoke before their illness and were convinced that mm was beneficial to their condition.
nowstopwhining
Too many brownies
Lacy
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Oh yeah but I'm outta this one. Its a senseless debate. 
skunkushybrid
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I'm a crabby mean ol' man... then you try and butter shit up. I lost interest in the rest of your post.
Quote me... quote where I said mm doesn't do a damned thing. Quote it.
Please answer this question, all of you.
skunkushybrid
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The way I see it the mm debate is bullshit because it's not the complete truth.
Yes cannabis has medical benefits (so do a lot of other illegal drugs, btw... mdma included)... but this will never be enough to get cannabis legalised. Even helps kill off the drug even, once they isolate it and give it to you in a nose spray... or tablet form... once they get rid of the high. Then what? Placebo's?
I don't want them to take control of cannabis... which is what I feel the medical debate will allow them to do. The way I see it we're offering them eventual control of the drug... besides it is only a PART of the truth.
The high helps to null the pain, not only null it but it enables you to hide from it... to take your mind somewhere else for a while if you so wish.
Cannabis IS and always has been about the high. We forget that and we forget the truth... we forget the truth, and they have us(?) by the balls.
Yes cannabis has medical benefits (so do a lot of other illegal drugs, btw... mdma included)... but this will never be enough to get cannabis legalised. Even helps kill off the drug even, once they isolate it and give it to you in a nose spray... or tablet form... once they get rid of the high. Then what? Placebo's?
I don't want them to take control of cannabis... which is what I feel the medical debate will allow them to do. The way I see it we're offering them eventual control of the drug... besides it is only a PART of the truth.
The high helps to null the pain, not only null it but it enables you to hide from it... to take your mind somewhere else for a while if you so wish.
Cannabis IS and always has been about the high. We forget that and we forget the truth... we forget the truth, and they have us(?) by the balls.
skunkushybrid
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It seems to me that you (a lot, anyway) 'medical' cannabis users look down on ordinary, honest smokers. You feel that you 'need' it and we don't.
I want cannabis legalised for all... it is the cure for pain in general. The pain of the world. We have to stand for the truth, all of us at the same time.
I want cannabis legalised for all... it is the cure for pain in general. The pain of the world. We have to stand for the truth, all of us at the same time.
iblazethatkush
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This is what I'm scared of. What's going to happen once they can give you the befenits of MM in pill form without the high? Are they going to say there is no need for MM now?
And I know it's already in pill form, but they haven't perfected it yet. I'm saying once they've gotten it perfected, what's going to happen to MM?
skunkushybrid
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Yes, by trying to work an angle we are being dishonest... and we give the power over to them.
skunkushybrid
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Tell me mm users, is it us, you, and them?
Or us and them?
Or us and them?
Lacy
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LMAO skunk! 
You do seem kinda crumpy.
BUT....you do have a nice furry mane, vicious eyes, bold personality
....errr....did I say nice furry mane.
You do seem kinda crumpy.
BUT....you do have a nice furry mane, vicious eyes, bold personality
....errr....did I say nice furry mane.
Kant
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well there's already a mouth spray and a pill form of it. they both get you high but that seems unavoidable. the pill is marinol and the spray is sativex. marinol has been around since the mid 80's i think and sativex is relatively new. I think that it helps the whole movement. It dispels the notion that pot is just a useless dangerous drug.
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