Integra21
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Can do, if all goes according to plan, I will be ordering them in the next month.i looked at sannies ,good prices there as well . please let me know how you fare with them ,as i might want to get on board with sannie
Balls Out First Grow(Whie Widow Scrog, 430w Son Agro Aircooled, DWC, CO2)
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chb444220
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wow man.. this is DEFF MY FAVORITE JOURNAL EVER!!!!!!!!! i fuckin love it!! love all the choices of strains.. and just the way everything is set up!! man.. if i had money.. this is the way i would wanna grow.. i ordered from nirvana a couple weeks ago... got my seeds in 8 days.. with 10 freebies!! soo i was happy.. i got white widow.. is that where you got ur white widow from for your 1st grow?? which was amazing by the way!! im really curious to see how the blue mystic turns out.. i was sooooooo tempted to order that instead of the white widow... and the black jack looked really good too.. one of the things that makes this thread soooo awesome is all the pics!!! i hate wen people make these big long journals.. and have like 1 or 2 pics.. or none at all... lol. u need more than just a couple pics.. i love looking at pics.. especially wen they look as good as yours do!! im praying my plants turn out 1/2 as good as yours did.. keep up the good work man.. deff subscribing to this!!!!!!!!!
Integra21
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thanks. Glad you liked it. Pics are eveybodys favorites, so I always try to make sure there's a bunch. Not sure where the white widow is from, a buddy gave me them and claims he doesnt remember where he ordered them from, my best guess was either Dutch Passion or G13 labs.
Integra21
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Mini Update-
On monday, the 11th, I harvested my Mango. By far, was my saddest harvest so far. The mites had eaten anything that resembled a fan leaf within the first 4 weeks of flower. I feel this greatly effected my harvest. I also switched from the foxfarm trio back to my Technaflora set halfway through flower since even with a pump, the solids would settle and seriously damage the roots on the bottom of the tub. It seemed like the plant took weeks to recover from this and also affected my harvest. To top all of that off, as a lesson to all of the new kids, it seems if your plants loose every fan leaf on them, they cant handle full strength flower nutes. Looking back, that should have been obvious, but it wasnt. I has them at 1100ppm's for weeks and the ppm's wouldnt drop at all untull i got the pps to 800 or below. I feel like this also effected the harvest. all of that being said, the plants were fully dry as of yesterday(friday). The final weight came out to 47g's. The smell now, without curing, is fantastic. Supre friuty. not really a specific fruit smell, but more like fruit salad. Everyone who took a wiff, face lit up and said they had never smelled weed that smelled that good, I agree with them. And since they just went into jars today, I can only see it getting better. The taste is a different story. It does taste good, even though it hsnt cured yet. It is only disappointing because it doesnt taste like it smells or even like fruit at all. It is a very earthy taste and thats the only word I have to describe it. I have never tasted anything even close to it in my 27 years of life, and have no way of comparing it to something. Hopefully it will get more a a fruity flavor from curing. So under the circumstances, I am very plased that I still got some killer herb, despite all of the problems. Forgot to mention that the smoke is a very stron high/stoned mix that is pretty balanced. Gives you a soaring head high with an almost equal body buzz, no drowsyness though. The high lasts for about 3 hours.
On to the new stuff. Anyone familiar with my thread has a basic idea of my equipment. Well, over the last week, all of it has changed. I have upgraded from my 430w Agro to dual 600w's. Went with the Lumatek dual 600w dimmable running Ushio Opti Red's in SuperSun2 reflectors. Also changed out the constant intake for a sealed room. I added a 12,000btu portable ac that has dual hose so it wont suck out my co2. It is also a 12,000btu heater, dehumidifier, and air ionizer, which the plants have always loved and helps with the smell. I also changed out the squirel cage fan I had on my light for a 6" can fan, and put it on a controller, since 250cfm seemed excessive for my 10ft duct run. Kept my dwc tubs the same, but now there is 2 of them. The plan is to stager the flower by 1 month and have a harvest from 1 light roughly every month. Liked the idea of a constant supply more than a bulk kick every 2 months. I also changed from my bottled co2 on a timmer to a Hydrogen MiniGen that I will we water cooling with drain to waste tap water, and it is being controlled by a Setinel CPPM1 CO2 controller. Will be nice to see how my setup does with dialed in co2, instead of random bursts that got diluted quickly by the constant intake. Another product I'm putting to the test now is Lightning film. I normally use regular mylar around the plants, but it is thin and rips easily and is a bitch to keep clean. The new stuff is almost as thick as a tarp and is supposed to be completely washable. also has groves in it like a reflector, so it might have better light distibutiuon, but hot spots were never a problem for me. My old screen was 3'x3', the new one will be 3.5'x8'. Still have to build it and hang the lights and fans, but that will all be done by the upcomming weekend hopefully. Thats about it for the upgrades. For anyone who didnt know, my camera has been at the shop for a month, but I'm suposed to get it back tomorrow. Once the room is finished, I will do a big update on all of these upgades at work. I am going to be running Blue Kush under both lights this round, since I lost my Mango, Blue Mystic, and Mazar mom's to the basterd mites. I am currently regowing new ones from seeds in my new veg room. So bear with me guys, I hate having an update with no pics, its not my style. But I'll try to make up for it with a badass update within the next week. As always, if you have any questions or comments, feel free to ask or post.
On monday, the 11th, I harvested my Mango. By far, was my saddest harvest so far. The mites had eaten anything that resembled a fan leaf within the first 4 weeks of flower. I feel this greatly effected my harvest. I also switched from the foxfarm trio back to my Technaflora set halfway through flower since even with a pump, the solids would settle and seriously damage the roots on the bottom of the tub. It seemed like the plant took weeks to recover from this and also affected my harvest. To top all of that off, as a lesson to all of the new kids, it seems if your plants loose every fan leaf on them, they cant handle full strength flower nutes. Looking back, that should have been obvious, but it wasnt. I has them at 1100ppm's for weeks and the ppm's wouldnt drop at all untull i got the pps to 800 or below. I feel like this also effected the harvest. all of that being said, the plants were fully dry as of yesterday(friday). The final weight came out to 47g's. The smell now, without curing, is fantastic. Supre friuty. not really a specific fruit smell, but more like fruit salad. Everyone who took a wiff, face lit up and said they had never smelled weed that smelled that good, I agree with them. And since they just went into jars today, I can only see it getting better. The taste is a different story. It does taste good, even though it hsnt cured yet. It is only disappointing because it doesnt taste like it smells or even like fruit at all. It is a very earthy taste and thats the only word I have to describe it. I have never tasted anything even close to it in my 27 years of life, and have no way of comparing it to something. Hopefully it will get more a a fruity flavor from curing. So under the circumstances, I am very plased that I still got some killer herb, despite all of the problems. Forgot to mention that the smoke is a very stron high/stoned mix that is pretty balanced. Gives you a soaring head high with an almost equal body buzz, no drowsyness though. The high lasts for about 3 hours.
On to the new stuff. Anyone familiar with my thread has a basic idea of my equipment. Well, over the last week, all of it has changed. I have upgraded from my 430w Agro to dual 600w's. Went with the Lumatek dual 600w dimmable running Ushio Opti Red's in SuperSun2 reflectors. Also changed out the constant intake for a sealed room. I added a 12,000btu portable ac that has dual hose so it wont suck out my co2. It is also a 12,000btu heater, dehumidifier, and air ionizer, which the plants have always loved and helps with the smell. I also changed out the squirel cage fan I had on my light for a 6" can fan, and put it on a controller, since 250cfm seemed excessive for my 10ft duct run. Kept my dwc tubs the same, but now there is 2 of them. The plan is to stager the flower by 1 month and have a harvest from 1 light roughly every month. Liked the idea of a constant supply more than a bulk kick every 2 months. I also changed from my bottled co2 on a timmer to a Hydrogen MiniGen that I will we water cooling with drain to waste tap water, and it is being controlled by a Setinel CPPM1 CO2 controller. Will be nice to see how my setup does with dialed in co2, instead of random bursts that got diluted quickly by the constant intake. Another product I'm putting to the test now is Lightning film. I normally use regular mylar around the plants, but it is thin and rips easily and is a bitch to keep clean. The new stuff is almost as thick as a tarp and is supposed to be completely washable. also has groves in it like a reflector, so it might have better light distibutiuon, but hot spots were never a problem for me. My old screen was 3'x3', the new one will be 3.5'x8'. Still have to build it and hang the lights and fans, but that will all be done by the upcomming weekend hopefully. Thats about it for the upgrades. For anyone who didnt know, my camera has been at the shop for a month, but I'm suposed to get it back tomorrow. Once the room is finished, I will do a big update on all of these upgades at work. I am going to be running Blue Kush under both lights this round, since I lost my Mango, Blue Mystic, and Mazar mom's to the basterd mites. I am currently regowing new ones from seeds in my new veg room. So bear with me guys, I hate having an update with no pics, its not my style. But I'll try to make up for it with a badass update within the next week. As always, if you have any questions or comments, feel free to ask or post.
goofygolfer
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yep technaflora all the way in dwc thats how ya do it . as emeril says bam
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sorry to hear but the mango man but 47gs and nothing to laugh at!!! Cant wait to see the pics it all sounds awesome good luck man!!!
Dayute
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I love seeing good research, good planning, and of course good genetics lead to a great first grow. I think a positive first grow definitely leads to more enthusiasm in future grows. Love to see a grower progress and learn through experience and more research. Tough reading about the spider mites but it didnt seem to phase you and you've moved on to bigger and better. Are you gonna start a new journal with your new setup or just continue on this one as I'd like to follow along. My last grow was back in '02 and I like learning new things that have changed in the growing world and positive grows such as yours inspire me. Will start phase two in my growing life in a couple of months and am looking forward to it. Part of me likes the planning and learning aspects more than the actual yields.
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Dont know if I missed it but how much did your outdoor plant end up yielding you? Thinking of trying my first outdoor over the summer but my growing conditions here are pretty horrendous (most humid place on earth with torrential downpours often, basically rainforest like conditions, may just greenhouse it.)
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Dont know if I missed it but how much did your outdoor plant end up yielding you? Thinking of trying my first outdoor over the summer but my growing conditions here are pretty horrendous (most humid place on earth with torrential downpours often, basically rainforest like conditions, may just greenhouse it.)
Integra21
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Thanks. Glad you liked it. If you didnt get a chance to read through all the way, its worth it. The white widow turned out much better than the Blue Kush and Mango. I have a feeling thogh that this upcoming round of blue kush will top it all. The mango was more of an expieriment than an actual grow, just seeing what I could get off of one plant instead of the usual 5-6 since it had already vegged for 2 months and I had no clones ready when the blue kush died. I think I officially caused a mite genecide. A couple of days ago, I took all the old equipment out, then ripped down all of the mylar and poly. Once the room was completely cleared out, I sprayed it from floor to ceiling with Organicide. Its supposed to kill mites and eggs. An hour later, went back and resprayed with a 1:4 ratio of bleach water and let it dry over nite. Came back in and wrapped the room with poly again. Got the light hoods and fan mounted today, and a lot of the other equipment preped to go in. Tomorrow will be another big day and I'm hopping to get the rest in(ac, co2 gen, ballast and timmers, scrog screen and air pumps)
As far as the outdoor, Put 1 plant in outside that was a 1 month old seedling in april. Harvested in early october and Yielded 7oz, but 2 of those ounces were moldy. If you want to try an outdoor in your area, I would reccomend a strain that has High mold resistance. Shouldnt have any problems then. As long as the oudoor is small, It was by far, the esiest, highest yield i got.
Dayute
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Nice, go crazy on those spider mites, if you dont get every last egg they'll come back. I've been considering outdoor for years just always worried about the mold problem since the rh and rainfall here is so ridiculous. I've got a couple months to figure it out. Our last chance of a freeze comes in March so I'll set that as a starting goal. Gonna go for something heavy sativa based with a long flowering time since weather stays warm here for so long. I read your journal from the beginning and was definitely impressed.
Integra21
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And finally, the much anticipated udate after the rooms update. Been working hard for 2 week now. Completely stripped the room bare. Sprayed the whole place down with organicide and then an hour later with 1:4 ratio of bleach water. Rewrapped the whole room in panda film, then did around the screen in Lightning film. Put in a 12,000btu portable dual house ac/heater. Havent had to use it yet. Installed a Hydrogen miniGen and water cooled it with drain to waste, and hung the 2 600w's with a 6" canfan and used SuperSun 2 reflectors hooked to a dual 600w lumatek balast. Running the same dwc tubs I have always, but now there is 2. Just Put in the 3 larger Blue Kush clones I had into the left side of the screen and in the next few days, I will be putting 6 small Blue Kush clones in the right. The Screen is 3'x8'. Any questions about the build, feel free to ask, and now onto the goods.....
Blue Kush: Day 1
Rm Temp: 84F
Res Temp: 75F
RH: 37%
CO2PPM: 1500
Nute PPM: 1080
PH: 5.95
Blue Kush: Day 1
Rm Temp: 84F
Res Temp: 75F
RH: 37%
CO2PPM: 1500
Nute PPM: 1080
PH: 5.95
goofygolfer
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o m g serious stuff . you are raising the bar my friend. have you ever used any other nutes , if so how does technaflora compare to them ? is that 4 air pumps ? sorry for so many questions . mad respect going out to you !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Integra21
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Whats up goofy, always happy to answer. I have used the gh flora series and the fox farm trio. Of the 3 technaflora's sset worked best for me. The other 2 just didn make my plants look as rich and healthy as this stuff. And yes, It's 4 air pumps. 2 per tub, running 6 5" air discs and 2 12" air sticks per tub(8total/tub) Anything else, Just ask.
goofygolfer
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how loud are your air pumps or do attaching them to the wall "deadin" the sound some . i going to upgrade mine to a more powerful pump .
Integra21
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Thats the reason I actually went with those pumps. There are definitly more powerful ones, but these are about as quiet as they get. and dont get me wrong, they still pump a ton of air, they just do it quietly. They are virtually silent weather they are sitting on the floor or mounted, I just try to keep anything with power to it off of the floor. Anything else, just ask.
goofygolfer
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ok i pick'in your brain what brand of pumps and model if i may ask please ? and seriously your setup rocks . some of the well know guy and gals on here are coming to see you work . keep up it bro i 'm straped in for the ride
Integra21
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Not a problem at all Goofy. The are General Hydroponics dual Diaphram air pumps. As far as I know, its the only one they make. On top of them being quiet and moving a good amount of air, they are also owner rebuildable. If you can work a phillips screwdriver, you can rebuild this pump. They move 20l/hr of air at 3psi. Here's a link to them, Cant find them much cheaper than here, but they gouge you on shipping. Most grow stores carry them for the same price.
http://www.altgarden.com/store/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=471
http://www.altgarden.com/store/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=471
Integra21
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the post directly above yours has all the info about the pumps.
Integra21
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Blue Kush
Day 7 Flowering
Co2 ppm: 1450
And here's the veg room as promised. I put the last pic here for refrence to the size of the piss mom
Piss Mom
New Blue Kush mom
Hopefully new Mango Mom
The Blue Kush clones going into flower tomorrow
and just one of my new flower tub being filled tomorrow
This was just a quick update, the next should be better. Had spent my whole weekend cleaning up the natural disaster in my basement. I was out on Saturday night and when I got home, heard the sound of rushing water. Went downstairs and the basement was flooded with 2" of water. It has wall to wall carpet. Aparently the water in line to the drain to waste valve for the MiniGen had poped off and flooded my entire room about 8" deep. The entire flower tub was submerged. Messed the nutrients up to 400ppm and 7.1ph. Spent the hole weekend sucking up water and drying my carpets. really sucked. After the water was soaked up, change the tub out with a fresh batch of nutrients. If you look closely, you can see the dried water dropplets on the walls. Hope I never have to fix a disaster like this again.
Day 7 Flowering
Co2 ppm: 1450
And here's the veg room as promised. I put the last pic here for refrence to the size of the piss mom
Piss Mom
New Blue Kush mom
Hopefully new Mango Mom
The Blue Kush clones going into flower tomorrow
and just one of my new flower tub being filled tomorrow
This was just a quick update, the next should be better. Had spent my whole weekend cleaning up the natural disaster in my basement. I was out on Saturday night and when I got home, heard the sound of rushing water. Went downstairs and the basement was flooded with 2" of water. It has wall to wall carpet. Aparently the water in line to the drain to waste valve for the MiniGen had poped off and flooded my entire room about 8" deep. The entire flower tub was submerged. Messed the nutrients up to 400ppm and 7.1ph. Spent the hole weekend sucking up water and drying my carpets. really sucked. After the water was soaked up, change the tub out with a fresh batch of nutrients. If you look closely, you can see the dried water dropplets on the walls. Hope I never have to fix a disaster like this again.
