Boomer's 2400w Sour Grape GrowOp w/ ScrOG & CO2

What will I yield per 600w HPS lamp?


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jigfresh

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I am totally with bob on two things (at least)...

1. Too much stuff to respond to in one post. My head is spinning.

2. You are going to have a real tough time with it having the tables against the wall... reaching across everything. I would leave a foot and a half or two to get around them.

Oh, 3. I vote for some sort of exhaust and intake... it doesn't have to be killer, but you should have some fresh air moving in the room.
 

Bob Smith

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I am totally with bob on two things (at least)...

1. Too much stuff to respond to in one post. My head is spinning.

2. You are going to have a real tough time with it having the tables against the wall... reaching across everything. I would leave a foot and a half or two to get around them.

Oh, 3. I vote for some sort of exhaust and intake... it doesn't have to be killer, but you should have some fresh air moving in the room.
Yeah, there's a lot to think about, but it just so happens that I've been planning out a virtually identical grow, so I've thought long and hard about this.

The only difference is that I'm going with 3x3 flood tables and hydroton as opposed to dirt.

I'm also going to be using a tent (just love them for the ease - have had to break down and put back up two already, and it's pretty easy).

It's the DR240; 8x8, and seems perfect for my needs.
 

BooMeR242

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How things hangin around these parts?? Still talkin or you growin yet?? :-D :-D

Jk Boomer <3
Hope all is well brotha..

haha ya still talkin for the most part but growin the mothers. havent seenmuch goin on in ur thread so watsup with ur yield?
 

BooMeR242

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One thing I can see is the power requirement isnt there. If you are using 120v outlets then you may need some beefed up breakers for those runs. If you want to be efficient, which I think you should, you will use 240v for the lights on a separate run.

Your table idea for the watering is good because you will have runoff. I think you will need more V plants to run a perpetual grow.

Another thing missing are the dehumidifiers. We live in a desert but its a humid one and with all those plants indoor and you watering them you will have humidity to deal with. While your AC will take some of the RH out of the air you will need more removed.

Is your hood sealed so you can cool it with outdoor air? Where is your filter for your exhaust?

Check out SOGs thread for the ultimate sealed room to see if you forgot anything as Im just going off the top of my head and did it awhile ago.

Remember all these fans and AC make noise so get equipment that is quiet so when you are in the living area you cant hear the noise.


ure absolutely right about the power. i had forgot to mention the power setup. my pops owns an airconditioning company and is a license electrician and we already built an outlet box to support all four 600w lamps. theyre running off 220v system to save power in the long run and yes we are addin a subpanel as well. thanks for reminding me. and also thank you for reminding me about the dehumidifier. i totally spced that. i will have to check out SOGs journal as a quick check up list.
and the max fan is def the quiestest exhaust fan, were makin rubber groment mountings for the fan so it makes it more quiet.


sorry for the lag on responds guys i got a 6week old pitbull puppy and hes a handful lol. got 3 hours of sleep my first nite. so give me a chance to respond to everyones posts. since bobs post is gonna take me an hour just to read faded lol. jk bro
 

DaGambler

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RO is deffinitely the way to go if in any doubt on water quality. Just run a garden hose to the unit, wherever it is, and have an out line that runs right down a bathroom drain. The 'good water' line feeds into your rez (as far as need be, just put more pressure on the bad water line at the outlet via a on/off valve if you need the good water to travel farther) ... and will preferably be on a float like this one ....

http://cgi.ebay.com/AQUARIUM-RO-DI-FLOAT-VALVE-LEVEL-LOCK-TOP-OFF-SYSTEM_W0QQitemZ290395102537QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item439ce59d49

when ur rez is full the float valve raises up and the ro unit stops allowing water to pass. you get about 20% of the water in the 'good' and 4/5 th's goes down the drain. Having perfectly healthy water on demand for your plants - PRICELESS.
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DST

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Hey Boomer242, just been flicking through your journal, got a bit sidetracked with page 62 of your other journal. Nice grows indeed. Love those Monster outdoor WW. Fantastic!! I can't add much on your plans, Bob seems to have covered a great deal. Subscribed.

Peace, DST
 

slomoking13

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RO is deffinitely the way to go if in any doubt on water quality. Just run a garden hose to the unit, wherever it is, and have an out line that runs right down a bathroom drain. The 'good water' line feeds into your rez (as far as need be, just put more pressure on the bad water line at the outlet via a on/off valve if you need the good water to travel farther) ... and will preferably be on a float like this one ....

http://cgi.ebay.com/AQUARIUM-RO-DI-FLOAT-VALVE-LEVEL-LOCK-TOP-OFF-SYSTEM_W0QQitemZ290395102537QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item439ce59d49

when ur rez is full the float valve raises up and the ro unit stops allowing water to pass. you get about 20% of the water in the 'good' and 4/5 th's goes down the drain. Having perfectly healthy water on demand for your plants - PRICELESS.
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I'm with da gambler on r/o water. I live in the midwest where nitrate levels in the water are borderline illegal because of the intense agriculture. ppm of tap water is over 300 with a ph between 8.0-9.0. i bought this puratek 100gpd system, an aquarium 80psi rated float valve for 1/4 ro hose, a hose adapter, and a big trash can with a lid for a grand total of 165 bucks shipped and everything. the r/o system has a built in pressure gauge, automatic shutoff valve, and built in flush valve as well!(not to mention it was cake to set up and it has no leaks whatsoever, they use a GE membrane) it dropped my ph to 6.5 and my ppm went down from over 300 to 4 haha! the plants are so thankful!

here is a link if you are interested in looking at the puratek i got.
http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_viewitem.aspx?idproduct=VX3131&child=VX3131&utm_source=mdcsegooglebase2&utm_medium=cse&utm_campaign=mdcsegooglebase2&utm_content=VX3131
they also make better setups with ingoing and outgoing digital tds meters, auto backflushes, and booster pumps.
 

#1Raiderfan420

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I agree with the exhaust man. You will def want a couple fans. You could hook up two fans to the hoods and an extra exhaust fan with a thermastate to kick when the temps get to high.

As for the trays, I have two 4x4's ina 10x7 and it is very tight. I have them with one end against the wall so three sides are open. being that your room is 10x10 you would be fine, but have no room for much else in there. If I had to do it over would prob got with the 3x3 and make my screen frame maybe 3.5x3.5 so that canopy extends little wider than the trays.
Anyway, just my 2 cents..too much stuff to respond to all of it man. lol Hey man is your damn girl gonna do another photo shoot?? You know spring is around the corner and that means we will be on the boat every weeknd...no more "no tan " excuse for my wife. lol

Oh and that is funny shit Bterz. LOL I haven't seen a grow journal so long without any growing. lol jus bustin your balls Boom
 

Drella

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your moving along bro! good to see the electricity is squared away. now to just get the co2, cooling, tables, and exhaust, etc. dialed in. looks like your working on it though! good luck bro, soon!
 

BooMeR242

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Holy moly; got too much stuff to possibly remember in one post, but here goes my best...........

1) You're gonna need to get to the other side of each of your flowering tables, so the corners won't work - truthfully, not sure that two 4' tables work in a 10' room - I have the same 10' requirement, and I'm planning to do 3x3 tables, just to be able to leave room around them to work.

2) Having a water source in or near your grow is VITALLY important - I understand you're in shape and don't mind lugging water around, but trust me, that's gonna get real old, real quick. Real quick. BTW, you say that you're going to have two reservoirs in your flower room - how are you going to get the water to them? And have you ever used an R/O system? Not asking that to be a smartass, but I personally had no idea how they worked before I got one - basically, you need a reservoir (drain would be better, but I doubt you have a sink in your bedroom) just to catch the "waste" water, and another to catch the "clean" water - the kicker is, there's about 4X as much waste water produced as clean water.

BTW, if buying plastic trash cans, don't be a moron like me and get one with wheels on it (they tip over). Also, I'd recommend buying two and doubling them up.

3) Not related to your blueprints design, but while I remember it - you should really invest in some calibration solution and learn to calibrate your own meter. In a month the meter can be off by .5+, and what happens if you come home one night and your plants are dying on you? The store's not open, so your buddy can't do it, and then you don't know what you're dealing with............it's cheap and simple, and it's really a necessity, IMHO.

4) I'm assuming the house has central AC in addition to the window ACs that you're going to be running? Because if not, those ACs won't make a lick of difference - even if it does have central AC, those ACs are way undersized for what you need. You always wanna go bigger so the AC doesn't have to run as much - I'd say more like 12BTU for the veg and 14-18BTU for the flower, but someone can correct me if my sizing is off (haven't run a window AC in a long time, in full disclosure).

5) You don't "need" exhaust and intake for your veg room, but it will slow your plants down - without fresh air, the CO2 will drop to ~200PPM and just chill there, which means that your plants are only growing about 55% as quickly as they could if they had an atmosphere of ~350PPMs. Not killer, but something to think about - if you get a big enough AC for in there, I'd just run a propane generator in both rooms - I have one (although currently using bottles right now), but generators are the shit for efficiency - would last you months on one tank of propane.

6) I know you have people telling you that dirt/soil less is the way to go, but that's really, really, really bad info, IMHO - for the amount of weed you're planning on growing, that amount of dirt medium is just not very practical, and just like the lugging water, you're going to get very, very tired of it. I'd HIGHLY recommend just starting out with a hydro system (which if memory serves you plan on upgrading to anyways), so as not to waste any money or time buying "dirt accessories" - it's a more efficient and faster way to grow, period.

Just trust me, buy some flood tables and some hydroton/rockwool and call it a fucking day - no mess, no fuss, and it's as easy as growing in dirt. Okay, done preaching about that.

7) Not sure how tall your moms are gonna be, but I'd be shocked if you could fit 12 18" clones and 4 bushy mothers under a 1K - you're going to need to rethink that lighting setup. Firstly, assuming the moms will be fairly taller, they're going to shade the shit outta the clones - I'd really recommend having the moms under one light and the clones under another. 4 moms would be fine a 400, and leave the 12 clones to have the 1000 to themselves.

8) For your flower room, how are you planning on pulling air from the outside for your 10" fan? You're obviously aware that ducting coming out of a window arouses suspicion, so what's your plan for that? In terms of keeping all four lights cool, I can't comment with any authority on that, other then to say you're not "supposed" to cool more then two lights in succession off of one fan - I'd guess that the third and fourth lights in that sequence won't be getting nearly as cool as the first two, but someone else could either confirm or deny that suspicion.

9) Again with the CO2 tanks - don't mess with them, get a generator. For a room your size, you'll be going through multiple tanks per week - just like water, gets real old, real fast lugging them to and from the welding supply store.

10) In terms of your question regarding where the R/O setup is kept, it's gotta be at your water source, wherever that may be.

11) I know I said I was done preaching, BUT YOU'RE BUILDING TABLES FOR YOUR FLOWERING PLANTS ANYWAY!!!! Just throw a pump and a reservoir under each table, and put your watering wand and pallets of dirt on craigslist.

That's all I've got for now, good luck.


lots of great info bob thanks man. i know i wrote a huge update but when i get rollin i just go... lol

ure kinda inspiring me to reconsider just doin the hydro tables to start. cuz i was thinkin to myself if im gonna take the time and money to build a wooden drain table and wrap it with pnd liner i mite as well save time and labor and buy sum 3'x3' tables. i mite not of been clear with the tables being 4' wide. wat i meant was the scrog netting will come out tobe about 4ft wide so it allows more room for weaving. the drain tables themselves for the containers to sit in would b only 3'x'3 tables.

i completely agree about the overkill on labor lugging water and soil around. i did it outdoors and was worse then i anticipated. indoor im sure will get old as well since u water more frequently.

and ure rite i dont have a clue wat to do with an RO system haha. im assuming its gotta filter the water sumhow whether its a direct hose line or has its own rez to filter water thru into another rez. so if sumone knows first hand about the reverse osmosis system plz fill me in on how it functions. im sure my guys at the hydro store can educate me but for now its good to have an open discussion.

considering the pros and cons of hydro VS soilless it seems to be similar in setup style (needing pumps rez nutes tables drains etc) so hydro just mite b more compact. ive been followin raiders thread and hes got it pretty much setup the same way ive been thinkin and he did great his first round. so im sure its not too challenging that i cant accomplish a good couple grows my first rounds. plus i got all u guys on RUI to help me out 8)

in regards to ducting AC and exhaust im not too concerned with. im not running the ductwork thru the window. my pops will have all kinds of crazy ideas so ill let him do his thing and consulate my setup before any final decisions are made.

i agree about the AC BTUs not being big enough. the two units i mentioned were just wat i had in my arsenal for now. i was lookin at the 24000 btu unit that is considered portable i beleive? it hangs on the wall and has the compressor hooked up to copper lines located outside the growroom. so i mtie just do thats. runs like $1200+ or sumthing tho.
i mite just do the ice box chillers for my lamps which will cool my lights drastically and double as an AC unit for the flower room.

the c02 generator i was lookin into already but didnt have the funds before. so now i prob will consider it since in the long run its more efficent.
for the exhaust/intake of fresh air in the veg room i will talk to my dad about it and see wat he can dream up for fresh air intake but chea and easy. cuz i already know as i type that all this im talkin about is ringin up my total bill and will easily reach $10,000. so im just takin everything one thing at a time and finding the best value for my buck and most efficent system.

it is good advice to learn to calibrate my PH meter myself cuz ure scenario is exactly wat id be worried about. plus i like to know how things work so if it breaks i can fix it. live and learn rite...

then about the table spacing; i was concerned about the tables being up against the wall and not able to reach them that well. so if i crunch sum measurements i mite be able to do wat u guys are suggesting; leave a foot and a half at least between the wall and table. so ill get bak to u guys on that.


i will reconsider my light usage for the mothers and for the veg plants. it does make sense to use the 1000w MH lamp for veg plants only. thats wat we did before and it worked fine. the mothers i will just have to buy another lamp for.
i was attempting to buildboth these rooms off wat i previously had so i could save sum cash but sumtimes to save money u have to spend money wisely.

as i type now idk how the fuk i could even expect any of u to respond to everything i wrote lol. im havin to scroll up just to reply to bobs post haha. ill try and keep them sumwat short and sweet from now on so we dont get so confused.

anyways thanks again for all the imput guys! lots more discussions to come
 

BooMeR242

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RO is deffinitely the way to go if in any doubt on water quality. Just run a garden hose to the unit, wherever it is, and have an out line that runs right down a bathroom drain. The 'good water' line feeds into your rez (as far as need be, just put more pressure on the bad water line at the outlet via a on/off valve if you need the good water to travel farther) ... and will preferably be on a float like this one ....

http://cgi.ebay.com/AQUARIUM-RO-DI-FLOAT-VALVE-LEVEL-LOCK-TOP-OFF-SYSTEM_W0QQitemZ290395102537QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item439ce59d49

when ur rez is full the float valve raises up and the ro unit stops allowing water to pass. you get about 20% of the water in the 'good' and 4/5 th's goes down the drain. Having perfectly healthy water on demand for your plants - PRICELESS.
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thanks DG. exactly wat i was lookin for on the RO system. makes perfect sense with the water hoses. sumone mention the float valve is a lil tricky so hope i can make it work.
 

BooMeR242

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Hey Boomer242, just been flicking through your journal, got a bit sidetracked with page 62 of your other journal. Nice grows indeed. Love those Monster outdoor WW. Fantastic!! I can't add much on your plans, Bob seems to have covered a great deal. Subscribed.

Peace, DST
thanks bro glad u could join. i know the other journals were pretty lengthy but page 62 is def worth lookin at 8)
 

BooMeR242

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I'm with da gambler on r/o water. I live in the midwest where nitrate levels in the water are borderline illegal because of the intense agriculture. ppm of tap water is over 300 with a ph between 8.0-9.0. i bought this puratek 100gpd system, an aquarium 80psi rated float valve for 1/4 ro hose, a hose adapter, and a big trash can with a lid for a grand total of 165 bucks shipped and everything. the r/o system has a built in pressure gauge, automatic shutoff valve, and built in flush valve as well!(not to mention it was cake to set up and it has no leaks whatsoever, they use a GE membrane) it dropped my ph to 6.5 and my ppm went down from over 300 to 4 haha! the plants are so thankful!

here is a link if you are interested in looking at the puratek i got.
http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_viewitem.aspx?idproduct=VX3131&child=VX3131&utm_source=mdcsegooglebase2&utm_medium=cse&utm_campaign=mdcsegooglebase2&utm_content=VX3131
they also make better setups with ingoing and outgoing digital tds meters, auto backflushes, and booster pumps.

damn all that just sold me on the RO system def gonna check these links out. u make it sound so easy haha


I agree with the exhaust man. You will def want a couple fans. You could hook up two fans to the hoods and an extra exhaust fan with a thermastate to kick when the temps get to high.

As for the trays, I have two 4x4's ina 10x7 and it is very tight. I have them with one end against the wall so three sides are open. being that your room is 10x10 you would be fine, but have no room for much else in there. If I had to do it over would prob got with the 3x3 and make my screen frame maybe 3.5x3.5 so that canopy extends little wider than the trays.
Anyway, just my 2 cents..too much stuff to respond to all of it man. lol Hey man is your damn girl gonna do another photo shoot?? You know spring is around the corner and that means we will be on the boat every weeknd...no more "no tan " excuse for my wife. lol

Oh and that is funny shit Bterz. LOL I haven't seen a grow journal so long without any growing. lol jus bustin your balls Boom

haha ya were alreaedy gettin ready to plan our havasu trip for spring break end of march. weve been so busy with the new puppy i just got so hopefully we can get around to another shoot. i will prob PM u about ur setup since its very similar to wat im considering. i agree with doin the scrog table 3.5'x3.5' cuz i want to be able to widen my canopy without limits.
and bterz is always tryin to bust my balls too haha. but havent seen anything in his journal either since he was supposed to harvest like last month haha. this thread is already longer then most peoples whole grows and we havent even started haha.



your moving along bro! good to see the electricity is squared away. now to just get the co2, cooling, tables, and exhaust, etc. dialed in. looks like your working on it though! good luck bro, soon!
thanks bro ya its still goin haha. got a lot of work ahead
 

BooMeR242

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I know weve been discussing a lot of shit more recently then ever since things are coming down the the wire and mite be changing my shit up to hydro but who knows. i keep goin bak and forth.

but the first two pix are of the 4 orignal Sour grape clones that i got that had powdery mildew from the collective. so i figured as an experiment just throw them outside and see if they flower out without minimal effort. i still had bone meal and sum bat guano left so i do small feedings. theyre actually showing pistils and smalls buds develpoping already. kinda droopy since its been cloudy and raining the last week but trippy if u look close the leaves are changing colors around the bud sites.

the next two pix are of the new sour grape mothers that i FIMmed over a week ago and have recovered nicely. the close up shot will show u the symetrical grow of two main tops instead of the main stem shooting straight up. this method will allow the canopy to spread out and save space and offer more cuttings when im ready.

if u noticed i removed the broken stunted clone and the other stunted one remains. i will be tossing it shortly im sure since its weak and not growing. good example of how a plant can be easily stunted and the others strive.


these past few days have been super busy. we made a trip up the the mountains and on the way down stopped by a couple pitbull breeders and i found a blue nose male pitbull puppy at 7weeks. this guy has so much character i couldnt resist takin him home. my gf has a 2yr old female red nose pit and shes awesome. i wanted to get a pit for when we actually get the new house but weve been waitin on the renter to move out and i get impatient sumtimes lol. so we took the pppy home and have been dealin with sum lack of sleep lately and playing all day with him haha. def is worth it. hes part of my family now. should b 90lbs easy since the sire was.
figured id throw in a few pix of him playing around. anyways enjoy and hope we can continue the detailed dicussions weve been havin.

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I know weve been discussing a lot of shit more recently then ever since things are coming down the the wire and mite be changing my shit up to hydro but who knows. i keep goin bak and forth.

but the first two pix are of the 4 orignal Sour grape clones that i got that had powdery mildew from the collective. so i figured as an experiment just throw them outside and see if they flower out without minimal effort. i still had bone meal and sum bat guano left so i do small feedings. theyre actually showing pistils and smalls buds develpoping already. kinda droopy since its been cloudy and raining the last week but trippy if u look close the leaves are changing colors around the bud sites.

the next two pix are of the new sour grape mothers that i FIMmed over a week ago and have recovered nicely. the close up shot will show u the symetrical grow of two main tops instead of the main stem shooting straight up. this method will allow the canopy to spread out and save space and offer more cuttings when im ready.

if u noticed i removed the broken stunted clone and the other stunted one remains. i will be tossing it shortly im sure since its weak and not growing. good example of how a plant can be easily stunted and the others strive.


these past few days have been super busy. we made a trip up the the mountains and on the way down stopped by a couple pitbull breeders and i found a blue nose male pitbull puppy at 7weeks. this guy has so much character i couldnt resist takin him home. my gf has a 2yr old female red nose pit and shes awesome. i wanted to get a pit for when we actually get the new house but weve been waitin on the renter to move out and i get impatient sumtimes lol. so we took the pppy home and have been dealin with sum lack of sleep lately and playing all day with him haha. def is worth it. hes part of my family now. should b 90lbs easy since the sire was.
figured id throw in a few pix of him playing around. anyways enjoy and hope we can continue the detailed dicussions weve been havin.

8)
hey mate orsm lookin pup. i just bought a pure bred am staff and she looks exactly the same as your pup heres a pic i thort she looked abit like a pitbull! sorry to go off topic! pce
 

Boulderheads

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Congrats on the pup Boom! He looks like is going to be a stud already. Your girl's dog looks great too. It is nice that they are sexual opposites, they will likely be less conflict that way. Looking forward to watching your new setup evolve into whatever it finally becomes.

There are sooo many choices when it comes to growing herb. It is kinda like the menu at Denny's.... too many coices to choose just one.

Keep the good times rolling my friend
 

d.c. beard

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Boom, the dogs are beautiful. Nothing more I can say.

But also hey, why don't you put mylar up all around the walls in the inside room you have there? It's only $20.00 and it really helps make use of all of your light.
 

BooMeR242

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looking great, clones are thriving! looks like the fimm method will work well for you!
thanks bro ya ive always liked the FIM method except for the short stunted period but its symetrical and me with my OCD i like it alot haha.
 

BooMeR242

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Congrats on the pup Boom! He looks like is going to be a stud already. Your girl's dog looks great too. It is nice that they are sexual opposites, they will likely be less conflict that way. Looking forward to watching your new setup evolve into whatever it finally becomes.

There are sooo many choices when it comes to growing herb. It is kinda like the menu at Denny's.... too many coices to choose just one.

Keep the good times rolling my friend
haha i know rite. even worse when ure high with all the selections (including gorw selections) so i got a lot of comparisons to do real fast with diff setup methods. im always up for a challenge tho. thanks for the compliment about the puppy. im stoked to have him, and ya havin two diff sexes will make things a lil easier haha


Boom, the dogs are beautiful. Nothing more I can say.

But also hey, why don't you put mylar up all around the walls in the inside room you have there? It's only $20.00 and it really helps make use of all of your light.
thanks DC glad u could swing on by. we did mylar (well panda film actually) last indoor grow and its more work then it deserves to be honest. hanging it up cutting it to the right size etc. maybe cuz we put it down on the floor thats why it was a pain and kept gettin fukd up but either way the reflection rating using the correct white paint is actually better reflector then the panda film and cleaner to me. but who knows ive been changin so much shit around lately im smoking more haha
 
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