The Official Canna Coco & Nutrients Thread

[RockstarEnergy]

duuuuuude J man coco is friggin crazy!! its been two days since i potted up and theres already a few thick ass roots poking through the drainage holes!!

on another note, im getting some burn spots because i think the solution was too strong when i watered after the transplant. should i back off the nutes for a few waterings or do you think i just shocked it a little?

thanks!

 

[jberry]

Yo JBer i dont know how i missed this thread for all these months. I guess im usually hanging in the Advanced section. Anyway i ran the HG for a few cycles but im back to Canna and i love it. It's so simple and works so well. I get such high resin production with Canna it blows my mind. I use the Canna Terra line (for soil), not the coco line, but i was hoping maybe you could lend some insight on a few things.

BTW, dont get mad at me, i'm sure these ?'s have been answered but i dont have time now to read through this whole thread.

1. I have 2 feeding charts and they reccomend using the pk at different times, the newer one saying to use it for one week around week 3? I have though about using smaller doses for a longer period, or just giving it a blast for that one week. What would work better and why? Also, i believe it calls for around 6ml/gal. If i added 6 ml/gal and my regular base nutes it would be some crazy 2000+ppm. What i've always done is cut my base nutes in half, water at 2ml/gal first time, 3 ml/gal 2nd time, 4.5ml/gal 3rd time.

2. WTF is REALLY in the Boost and why is it so goddamn expensive? They say its "refined sugarcane". At $100/L i better be getting more than some damn sugar cane, and i have a feeling i do.

3. When they reccomend a certain ppm (say 1000ppm for arguments sake) is that 1000ppm BASE NUTRIENTS or 1000ppm w/ rhizo, cannazyme, boost etc included? I really dont "follow" the charts, i sorta just use them as a referance for ABOUTS what i should be using when.

4. Do you mix your nutes in a certain order? I do A,B,Rhizo,Cannazyme,Boost.

5. I am using tap water. Although you haven't taken a water sample from my area, would you say in general this line needs to be supplemented with calmag or is included somewhere in the line already?

6. Do you add any products outside of the Canna line? I use HG Roots Excelurator in veg rather than rhizotonic. Other than that its straight Canna all the way for me.

7. How long will a bottle of pk13/14 last before it spoils? I've had mine for over a year. Should it be replaced?

Oh boy i could go on and on. Let me think of a few more and ill post back soon.

I use the pk13/14 at 5-6ml per gallon for about ten days or so and i barley cut my nutes back at all... like 8-10 ml per gallon of A+B. You could use the pk13/14 at like 4ml per gallon or so for up to 2-3 weeks if u arent sure exactly when to give the pk to your plant.(usually around week 4 depending on strain)

there is rare plant extracts and a such and such but i would just pass on the boost... you cant find out whats in it exactly.

when the chart says a certain ppm, it is the total ppm for the using the entire line. (boost doesnt change the ppm's)

you can mix the canna line in any order u want but i would do it just how u are... i found if u add the rhizo last then sometimes the mix gets cloudy.

you may need to add a ml or 2 per gal of cal/mag... hard to say whats in your tap and what is usable... but canna does contain calcium and magnesium and everything else a plant needs to grow.

i do experiment and use some additives here and there but mixing products can cause more trouble then its worth sometimes because npk ratios can be thrown off causing lockout if u dont know what your doing.

the pk 13/14 is good for 2 years...

i think i got them all...

 

[jberry]

duuuuuude J man coco is friggin crazy!! its been two days since i potted up and theres already a few thick ass roots poking through the drainage holes!!

on another note, im getting some burn spots because i think the solution was too strong when i watered after the transplant. should i back off the nutes for a few waterings or do you think i just shocked it a little?

thanks!

i dont believe shock could cause spots.... are the tips burnt? where are the spots? how much nutes did you use?

also make sure not to let them get too dry or overwater.

 

[laceygirl]

Hi Jberry

I wanted to run something past you if I could... I have seedlings that are doing really well... They are 3 weeks old almost and I have started to introduce nutes about 4 days ago... I am hatching and growing them in small rockwool cubes that I pH'd to around 5.2, for nutes I used in a 1 litre spray bottle, 4ml Rhizotonic and 1ml of Canna Classic Vega A & B. I have increased that now to 2mls and they seem to be doing ok!!! I am not going to over nute them am I?

Any info always appreciated... Laceygir....

 

[RockstarEnergy]

i dont believe shock could cause spots.... are the tips burnt? where are the spots? how much nutes did you use?

also make sure not to let them get too dry or overwater.

idk dude maybe its a defficiency. theres just random yellow and light green spots...some tips some in the middle. mostly older fan leaves.

im only feeding it 8ml/gal of A+B, 8ml rhizo, and 10ml cannazym. thats what the canna grow guide made for me.

 

[justiceman]

Does Canna coco require a Cal mag Pre rinse before use? I have been doing some research on coco but I am unsure if pre bagged Coco should be preflushed with a 300ppm cal mag solution o not.

Or can you just pour the coco out of the bag and plant immediately with no pre treatment.

Basically I am asking. Can you plant into coco straight out of the bag or are some other steps required before potting?

 

[indyman]

Hi Jberry

I wanted to run something past you if I could... I have seedlings that are doing really well... They are 3 weeks old almost and I have started to introduce nutes about 4 days ago... I am hatching and growing them in small rockwool cubes that I pH'd to around 5.2, for nutes I used in a 1 litre spray bottle, 4ml Rhizotonic and 1ml of Canna Classic Vega A & B. I have increased that now to 2mls and they seem to be doing ok!!! I am not going to over nute them am I?

Any info always appreciated... Laceygir....

lacey just use small amout of nutes every other water and slowly bring it up and u should be ok,gooday.

 

[jberry]

Does Canna coco require a Cal mag Pre rinse before use? I have been doing some research on coco but I am unsure if pre bagged Coco should be preflushed with a 300ppm cal mag solution o not.

Or can you just pour the coco out of the bag and plant immediately with no pre treatment.

Basically I am asking. Can you plant into coco straight out of the bag or are some other steps required before potting?

you can plant straight from the bag if using Canna Coco... they have already addressed the calcium issue for you.... having said that, you do need around 200-250 ppm's of usable cal/mag in your water source before you add any nutes for the canna line to work properly.

 

[jberry]

lacey just use small amout of nutes every other water and slowly bring it up and u should be ok,gooday.

yea, but dont use plain water when growing in coco.

 

[cerberus]

Is it possible to reuse the biocanna if I have been running all biocanna for ferts? how? I love the results I'm getting from switching to Canna but at 20-24$ a bad I'd love to be able to reuse it for a cycle or two.. I'm thinking of double dose of cannazyme w/ a lot of water and let the soil sit before use.

thanks for any suggestions.

 

[jberry]

i cant bellieve it but i dont know the answer to that one... i doubt it, but i will find out the answer for u.

if u can reuse it then u would be on the right track using the double dose of cannazym.

 

[cerberus]

+1 rep.
Thanks man I appriciate the honesty and the effort to find the answer.

 

[cerberus]

no word on resusing canna TPP?

 

[jberry]

shit, sorry i forgot.
i'll ask my friend at canna today, but i pretty sure you cannot reuse it...
hold tight i'll find out today or tomorrow, but i think the answer is "no" based on the mix.

 

[[norcal]]

Hey jberry thanks for doin this thread. Bcuz of you I've made the switch from dirt to coco, and I'm lovin it. The growth has been explosive. My girls have tripled in size in a weeks time and look great. I'm definatley seein the advantages of coco. The a and b is so simple, yet a little pricey though. I hit you up a couple weeks ago in this thread with the concern of 2 , 3 gallon pots and watering frequency. Anyways thanks to you I'm glad I made the switch. I need to hit you up with a couple more questions. First off I'm runnin some Blue Dream and Cheese. I clicked them to 12/12 at around 12 inches. Theyve exploded with growth, but are yellowing especially under the lights. Temps max low 80, humidity 60- 70%. Started calmag in the beginning at 5 mls per gallon. Last feeding increased to 8 mls on half of them. Noticed some rust spotting occuring today. Canna suggests that a starting ec of .2 is good. I have a well water starting ec of .6. This yellowing turning worse has been a reoccuring problem for me. Maybe I should get my water tested to see the calcium, iron, mag, etc content. I was thinking of hitting half of them with 10 mls of calmag and the other half with no calmag to start diagnosing this problem. Any input would really be appreciated.
One more thing, the way these dream are climbing I'm worried about their height. With canna coco do they slow down soon or do you hit them with something like bushmaster to halt them? Last time in dirt I vegged a little too long to get some good roots and ended up with my hoods on the ceiling.

 

[HighSeeker]

Damn this is a long thread! lol... Ive read lots of the posts but may have missed the info I'm looking for!

I am an experienced hydro, hempy buckets, and coco gardener. I have used primarily the GH products and the AN products. I have recently switched to the Canna Bio lineup (soil and nutes) and have a few questions that I can't seem to get answered locally.

How much Rhizotonic per gallon for foliar spray during veg would you recommend?

How much Bio Boost per gallon for foliar spray during flower?

When I am watering clones not yet rooted (in rapid rooters with rooting gel and under dome), do I use the Bio nutrients as shown on the chart for stage 1? Or ?

Am I understanding correctly that there is no flushing at any time during the full growth cycle? Just go to Bio Boost only the last 2 weeks? No need to flush every few weeks as seems to be the case with some other products?

Any input would be greatly appreciated!

 

[cerberus]

When I am watering clones not yet rooted (in rapid rooters with rooting gel and under dome), do I use the Bio nutrients as shown on the chart for stage 1? Or ?
!

these are the only ones I have any suggestions on. As for rooting, I don't use any vega and a small amount of rhizo in my easy cloner. I don't feed it the vega until I have put them in the TPP.

Am I understanding correctly that there is no flushing at any time during the full growth cycle? Just go to Bio Boost only the last 2 weeks? No need to flush every few weeks as seems to be the case with some other products?

Any input would be greatly appreciated!

yep, Rhizo, Cannazyme and io boost are not nutrients they are hormone stmulators, so you can continue to feed to the end. The 'dirt' will hold the nutrients throughout the grow and with the last two weeks your counting on your plants to pull up the last of the nutrients and to begin its catabolic phase (consuming itself).

in short last two weeks; rhizo/cannazyhme and boost as normal, nothing else.. (I use a little mollasis)


good luck!



JBERRY,

thanks for looking for this up for me, I am getting different answers from locals and I havent seen my local canna rep in months..

 

[eza82]

a) I don't foliar feed unless I have a PH and NUte lock out.
B) when you say soil you mean coco ??
c) Rhizo you have to do some research on, its not best used as a foliar.
D) IN clone I only ever use "just water" - anything the label recommends is a ploy for you to use more. The plant doesn't need it at that stage as its adjusting it hormonal structure.
C)Flushing during Growth ??? WTF ??? Unless you have over done "shit " nutes that has caused a salt or mineral build up you should be fine, NO FLUSH needed until the LAST 2 weeks.
d) are you using Cana Coco A& B as well ?

Eza

 

[HighSeeker]

these are the only ones I have any suggestions on. As for rooting, I don't use any vega and a small amount of rhizo in my easy cloner. I don't feed it the vega until I have put them in the TPP.




yep, Rhizo, Cannazyme and io boost are not nutrients they are hormone stmulators, so you can continue to feed to the end. The 'dirt' will hold the nutrients throughout the grow and with the last two weeks your counting on your plants to pull up the last of the nutrients and to begin its catabolic phase (consuming itself).

in short last two weeks; rhizo/cannazyhme and boost as normal, nothing else.. (I use a little mollasis)


good luck!



JBERRY,

thanks for looking for this up for me, I am getting different answers from locals and I havent seen my local canna rep in months..

Thanks for the quick reply! Hopefully someone else will post with some foliar spray info.

HS

 

[rustybud]

subscribed im using the bio canna range with pk and boost ..

got a question

this would be my first attempt at cloning which i didnt realli make a proper go at it. but i did take a few cuttings of my mates plants, used rooting hormoan and dumped them into the grow room. as expected they went to hell and back over the last 2 weeks but the look of things they are starting to grow new shoots. so my question is by using the rhizo wil this help the cuttings grow more roots and have a better root base ??