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[mex2425]

no sorry that was a statment, and a question....
Just by looking at your bud, you either a) have a light problem b) nitrogen rich feed.
Reason : to much leaf growth within the flower set.

My question was , how old are they ??? I dont think you can save them. And by the look of where you are at, and what your "environment is providing" then I would harvest before it throws more invaluable leaf through the flower set.

unless you fix your issues first I would NOT take it any further and depending age which looks like about 7 weeks ??? Anways...... I would not bother, just start over .

Thankyou.+REP
A) a light problem? what could this be??

Im not sure how old they are i think about 7 weeks maybe, my humidity is always at 45-55 running a 600watt son-t
temp is 70-90degF during day and 65-70 during dark im now flushing but up intill a week ago i was pumping them with canadian express coco bloom a&b/ potash/ canadian express headmaster.
Am also running a co2 lamp burner two oscilating fans.intake and outake.

Why would this leaf problem occur??
This intregues me

 

[mex2425]

Reall??
I have been running co2 for the last two to four weeks. how could this be affecting it? reckon i should just cut the co2 out??
I never thought co2 would make them worse i thought it would make them swell like crazy!

 

[mex2425]

pretty sound and logical advise from eza ^, could be leafy genetics as well but the leaves DO look like they have N overdose and may indeed be the culprit... my plants have gotten the gnarly leafy bud when i first tried using co2 and i kept the co2 going too high for too deep into flower and it was a leafy bummer lol

hopefully things work out, dont give up yet mex! I would still try to change the feeding program and see if you can get those things to harden up, but as eza said, if it keeps shooting a ton of new leaves out, it willeventually just seperate and destroy the bud... at least thats what happened with my co2 disaster... just flarffed em out

Reall??
I have been running co2 for the last two to four weeks. how could this be affecting it? reckon i should just cut the co2 out??
I never thought co2 would make them worse i thought it would make them swell like crazy!

 

[eza82]

Thankyou.+REP
A) a light problem? what could this be??

Im not sure how old they are i think about 7 weeks maybe, my humidity is always at 45-55 running a 600watt son-t
temp is 70-90degF during day and 65-70 during dark im now flushing but up intill a week ago i was pumping them with canadian express coco bloom a&b/ potash/ canadian express headmaster.
Am also running a co2 lamp burner two oscilating fans.intake and outake.

Why would this leaf problem occur??
This intregues me

Reall??
I have been running co2 for the last two to four weeks. how could this be affecting it? reckon i should just cut the co2 out??
I never thought co2 would make them worse i thought it would make them swell like crazy!

Light problem : well figure out how dark it really is in your room when lights are off. Do this by sitting inside the room during off, if you can see light at all its too much. [though people will say moon...BS]
If this is the case and you have light penetrating during your dark period, your plant is throwing "confusing hormones" some of which are "grow" or cell splitting. Which in turn will ask the plant to start growing again and produce a larger "system" and give the plant a NEW end game in the future . MJ has a life cycle, buds are the end game for a plant, and this will happen in a natural environment during lose of light approaching winter.
You with me ??
So in short : You have extra light getting into your grow during the OFF period, This combined with/ or what looks like a N overdose will cause what I can see in pictures above.
Co2 should only be used after a) you have dialed in your entire environment, RH, PH stability, nutes, light etc b) you have a few harvests under your belt c) what it dose and understand it !!

 

[mex2425]

Light problem : well figure out how dark it really is in your room when lights are off. Do this by sitting inside the room during off, if you can see light at all its too much. [though people will say moon...BS]
If this is the case and you have light penetrating during your dark period, your plant is throwing "confusing hormones" some of which are "grow" or cell splitting. Which in turn will ask the plant to start growing again and produce a larger "system" and give the plant a NEW end game in the future . MJ has a life cycle, buds are the end game for a plant, and this will happen in a natural environment during lose of light approaching winter.
You with me ??
So in short : You have extra light getting into your grow during the OFF period.

Co2 should only be used after a) you have dialed in your entire environment, RH, PH stability, nutes, light etc b) you have a few harvests under your belt c) what it dose !!

Ok really good information!! Thanks heaps!
For starters i have 17 seasons under my belt, but this is my first indoor grow basically.
Ill cut the co2 out of the room for the time being then..?

Also my room is completely dark at night as when i go in there even with the door open and ive been in there for a while i cant see a thing. Its pitch black!

You think it could be the co2 like jberry was saying??
Could it also have anything to do with it getting hot in there during the day?

 

[jberry]

yes i think its the co2, and yes i think you should cut it out or way down (600 ppm) for the last 2-3 weeks...

for me using co2 in the last 2+ weeks would just cause more and more new growth (leaf growth) and would have and almost did destroy the crop until i realized what the problem was... cut it off now and you may be able to save your crop.

anytime you do anything "extra" to increase growth, yield, ect... the growing conditions have to be just right or the extra efforts dont really help... a co2 grow definitely has special needs like higher RH, Temp, feeds, ect... and higher co2 levels are not always better levels, so if u dont have a co2 monitor then it could be way high.

 

[mex2425]

yes i think its the co2, and yes i think you should cut it out or way down (600 ppm) for the last 2-3 weeks...

for me using co2 in the last 2+ weeks would just cause more and more new growth (leaf growth) and would have and almost did destroy the crop until i realized what the problem was... cut it off now and you may be able to save your crop.

anytime you do anything "extra" to increase growth, yield, ect... the growing conditions have to be just right or the extra efforts dont really help... a co2 grow definitely has special needs like higher RH, Temp, feeds, ect... and higher co2 levels are not always better levels, so if u dont have a co2 monitor then it could be way high.

Mate thats priceless info! im off to turn the shit off. and ill be buying a harvest master co2 controller before using my burner again.
I have searched and searched to find out what the problem was untill i gave up! and just wanted to know if they were ready to pull.
I could've saved myself a lot of trouble if i had of posted here first

 

[eza82]

Im with Jberry on the Co2.

 

[mex2425]

Im with Jberry on the Co2.

You and jberry may well of saved my crop.
(GENIUS)
I will keep you posted how it goes over the next couple weeks.

Thanks again

 

[mex2425]

how often should i feed my plants they're 6foot tall, in pots hand feeding. ive had problems so far and i just read to feed them 1-3 times a day??? this iswrong right???

 

[Saltrock]

saltrock u may be having humidity issues?...

Hey Jerry,

Thanks for your reply. My current Humidity is @ 55%. I think this is boarderline??? I was interested in what you saw that might lead to you say that there might be some humidity issues? Was it the leaf curling ? Or do you think thats still a nute issue? I am always wanting to diagnose a plant by looking at it. But, I am not that good yet. Only got about 4 grows under my belt. I'd prefere not to diagnose a plant at all and just have a perfect grow lolol. But, we all know sometimes thats not the reality lol. Thanks alot for your help.

Thanks

 

[Saltrock]

how often should i feed my plants they're 6foot tall, in pots hand feeding. ive had problems so far and i just read to feed them 1-3 times a day??? this iswrong right???

I really think it depends on the size of your pots and how quick they get dry.

One thing that you are not suppost to do in coco is let it get to dry it's a sin

In fact I believe Jerry said once 50% of the overall wieght is gone in the pot then you should water. Very bad things can happen if you let the medium dry out. Its a common mistake soil growers make cause they believe they will drown the plant if you water the plant when the medium is still wet. Hope that helped lol.

Thanks

 

[RAMDOCTOR]

sorry if this is not the right place to ask but is this a male or female? from my reserarch i believe its a male but i would like a second opinion ps i like using the coco fiber i thinks its pretty neat ......hope my pic is clear enough please reply asap thank you ..

 

[mr west]

Thats a male, bollocks and everything sorry mate but good call.

 

[eza82]

congrates` its BOY !!!



















.Time to kill it

 

[jberry]

Hey Jerry,

Thanks for your reply. My current Humidity is @ 55%. I think this is boarderline??? I was interested in what you saw that might lead to you say that there might be some humidity issues? Was it the leaf curling ? Or do you think thats still a nute issue? I am always wanting to diagnose a plant by looking at it. But, I am not that good yet. Only got about 4 grows under my belt. I'd prefere not to diagnose a plant at all and just have a perfect grow lolol. But, we all know sometimes thats not the reality lol. Thanks alot for your help.

Thanks

55 is fine but do u know what it does at night/dark? in other words, do you know your high and low in a 24 hr. period?

leaf curl can be the first signs of over fertilizing or just as likely a humidity and/or heat issue, overwatering, ect... Is the plant with curled leaves close to a heat source by any chance or drying out faster than the others?

 

[jberry]

how often should i feed my plants they're 6foot tall, in pots hand feeding. ive had problems so far and i just read to feed them 1-3 times a day??? this iswrong right???

that would be ideal if your plants were in small enough pots to lose half their water weight in between feedings... everything saltrock said was correct ^^.

 

[LeeroySlim]

hey guys to give you an update i am running 3 of my plants with canna coco nutes(half strenth) and 3 with regualr hydro nute(half strengh) so far i cant tell any significant difference.

its been about a week i an running my EC at 1.2 and run to waste, i am doing 1 minutes feeds (approx 1.5litres) every 4 hours ph5.8. it might seem alot but as i read coco is hard to overwater and they are really growing and i haven't lowered the lights yet.

i plan to flush once a week with ph 5.8 water. just wondering what would be considered a toxic salt run off? and an acceptable ph run off?

i posted pics of my room, as they grow i will add a 600w over each pot and move them apart.

i have one now under a 600w from my 1st ever grow this is 1 month into flowering, it was supposed to be huge but i added "BUD MIESTER" which the guy at the hydro shop told me ill yield so much more but what i didnt no it it shortend internodal lengths so i should have added it when i wanted it to stop growing, caz i had heaps of room for it to grow and more light ready. i used it to take clones off to start my new one, i sort got thrown in the deep end with the first grow new nothing about it, just hours and hours of riu study and so many mistakes i had so many defincencies, spider mights, heat stress bad venting,didnt adjust ph or have an ec meter so everything went wrong but i guess thats the best(and most expensive ) way to learn from fucking up all the time.

can u guys please check out my flowering plant and let me know if its ok the leaves are yellowing but i think there suppossed to, and also how long i got left to go?

sory for the long post and thanks to all the good info from you guys on this thread im using it like my bible so hopefully on this new grow ill have no drams.

 

[jberry]

you cant really get accurate readings from the runoff. here is the info your lookin for leeroy...

but why are you going to flush every week? its not good for coco

The most reliable method for measuring the nutrient levels in Coco is using the 1:1.5 extraction method. EC and pH of the root environment can be determined by using this method. The pH and EC of the drain water generally deviates from the actual root situation, as Coco is able to retain and release elements.

1. Take a sample of Coco from the slabs or pots. This can be done with a soil core sampler or a trowel.
   To get a representative sample the Coco must be collected from as many places as possible.
2. Put the sample in a bowl and determine whether it contains the right amount of moisture. The Coco has the right amount of moisture if moisture disappears between your fingers when you squeeze it (photo 2).
   Add demineralized water if necessary and mix the Coco.
3. 
   
   Take a 250 ml measuring jug and fill it with 150 ml of demineralised water.
   Add Coco to the 250 ml mark. Fully mix and allow the slurry to settle for at least two hours.
4. Mix again and measure the pH.
5. Filter this material and measure the EC.

It is advisable to perform a 1:1.5 analysis after 3 to 4 weeks. The target values for EC are between 1.1 and 1.3, for the pH, between 5.3 and 6.2. Very high EC values increase the risk of burning symptoms. To limit the risk of burning symptoms, the Coco can be rinsed with acidified water ( PH 5.8 )

 

[LeeroySlim]

thanx jberry for the info, the guy at the hydro shop told me to feed then 4 times a day or every 4 to 6 hours. and once a week run plain Ph water 4 to 6 times thats day. do you have a better recomendation? im still all new to this