Girls Gone Wild.

RickWhite

Well-Known Member
First, let me be the first to say - great videos. And God bless all the little sluts that make it all possible.

That being said. Are these videos a good thing? Is it good that young women are allowing themselves to be filmed naked in order to receive a free T shirt and some attention?

What does this say about where we are headed as a culture?

Now let's be clear - these girls are hurting nobody save for themselves. But, is this something as a society we should be proud of? Should such conduct be encouraged and how have we arrived at such a place? Is Feminism to blame? Are we becoming more jaded and more accepting of exploitation of young women? Are these women degrading themselves through their conduct?

Most importantly, is it possible to appreciate these videos while thinking they are wrong or does that make one a hypocrite?
 

mexiblunt

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Are those made by guys or girls? What if there was videos (maybe there is) guys gone wild? Made by girls. edit. Just checked there is guys gone wild.
 

figtree

Active Member
I think theres an apropriate place for whatever.
seeing the comercials during the day when the kids are watching, or watching the videos with your kids, inapropriate.
ordering the videos and watching them at your home, when no youngsters are watching, aproriate.
 

Stoney McFried

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They have guys gone wild videos now, too. Personally, if they aren't being forced to do these things, I have no problem with it.I think maybe they should have enough respect for themselves to hold out for more money if they want to go this route. I know a lot of them think they're going to get famous this way, but in reality,it kinda portrays them as "dime a dozen", IMO,ultimately forgettable.These girls (and guys) are just viewed as objects,no attempt is made to probe deeper and understand them as people.It is what it is...fluff.Should they be ashamed?Only if they did it because they felt pressured or obligated...if they did it of their own free will,for their enjoyment as much as the enjoyment of others, then there's nothing to feel bad about. I personally would want a share of the profits if I were on one of those things...after all, it would be my body and actions people were buying the Dvd's to get a glimpse of,as well as any other girls in the film.So The girls are the reason these movies make money.They should get more than a T-shirt and some attention.:peace:
First, let me be the first to say - great videos. And God bless all the little sluts that make it all possible.

That being said. Are these videos a good thing? Is it good that young women are allowing themselves to be filmed naked in order to receive a free T shirt and some attention?

What does this say about where we are headed as a culture?

Now let's be clear - these girls are hurting nobody save for themselves. But, is this something as a society we should be proud of? Should such conduct be encouraged and how have we arrived at such a place? Is Feminism to blame? Are we becoming more jaded and more accepting of exploitation of young women? Are these women degrading themselves through their conduct?

Most importantly, is it possible to appreciate these videos while thinking they are wrong or does that make one a hypocrite?
 

fdd2blk

Well-Known Member
this was happening BEFORE the videos ever were created. this is WHY they were created to begin with. someone said "i gotta get this shit on film".

they are girls, this is what they do.
 

Stoney McFried

Well-Known Member
You're right there. I kinda think it's sad when a girl feels that's the only way to get attention...makes me feel like maybe she needs a hug.I've seen it happen in bars,and for the most part,it's not because she's a sexually confident woman who wants to proudly display her attributes. But it's a free country. Now...would YOU be upset if you saw your daughter on one of those tapes?
this was happening BEFORE the videos ever were created. this is WHY they were created to begin with. someone said "i gotta get this shit on film".

they are girls, this is what they do.
 

Stoney McFried

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Sigh.You're avoiding the question.
I will say there are probably definite pluses to having boys...I have two girls,and I live in constant fear that my 12 year old will have a lapse in judgment and come home and say,"I think I'm pregnant." I'm gonna stock up on RU-486 when she's allowed to date.
straight boys. :wink: :mrgreen:
 

Rob Roy

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First, let me be the first to say - great videos. And God bless all the little sluts that make it all possible.

That being said. Are these videos a good thing? Is it good that young women are allowing themselves to be filmed naked in order to receive a free T shirt and some attention?

What does this say about where we are headed as a culture?

Now let's be clear - these girls are hurting nobody save for themselves. But, is this something as a society we should be proud of? Should such conduct be encouraged and how have we arrived at such a place? Is Feminism to blame? Are we becoming more jaded and more accepting of exploitation of young women? Are these women degrading themselves through their conduct?

Most importantly, is it possible to appreciate these videos while thinking they are wrong or does that make one a hypocrite?

As a "society" should we be proud? "Society" does not have a universal voice, individual mileage and opinions may vary. The real question should be : Does one persons behavior harm another? If not, it's nobody's business to interfere.

Go ahead and feel free, to Judge them, to tsk, tsk them, to not associate with them, but LEAVE them alone if they aren't harming anybody.

If a person doesn't like T & A and isn't forced to watch the films...what's the problem?

Exploitation? You cannot exploit the willing can you?
 

jeff f

New Member
As a "society" should we be proud? "Society" does not have a universal voice, individual mileage and opinions may vary. The real question should be : Does one persons behavior harm another? If not, it's nobody's business to interfere.

Go ahead and feel free, to Judge them, to tsk, tsk them, to not associate with them, but LEAVE them alone if they aren't harming anybody.

If a person doesn't like T & A and isn't forced to watch the films...what's the problem?

Exploitation? You cannot exploit the willing can you?
agreed. someday we may actually be forced into rethinking our punishment of victimless crimes. prison is getting very expensive and tax moeny is getting tighter.
 
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Illegal Smile

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Sluts. There have always been sluts and there always will be. I don't think the proportion of sluttery has changed, it's just that technology allows a small number of sluts to get much wider exposure.

P.S. - of course you can exploit the willing- they are some of the easiest targets
 

figtree

Active Member
Now...would YOU be upset if you saw your daughter on one of those tapes?
If i had a daughter that was an ADULT (18+) then it wouldnt really matter if i would be upset or not. she would be an adult and responsible for her own actions. I could see some disapointment, but an adult is free to do what they want, they are responsible for their own actions.

This is the problem with some. they cant let adults do what they want because they are offended personally, change the channel, dont buy the dvd, dont watch it if it offends you. but it is a free couontry and the ones who are not offended by it should have the freedom to watch if they please. and the others that are offended should recognize the rights of the people that are not, and stop trying to demean, and take it away because of your personal morals.

Again, we have the ability as well as the rights, and choices to change the channel, or not purchase it........ it really is that easy if you dont want to see it.
 

doc111

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I love a nekked hottie as much as the next guy but these "skanks" are not thinking about the future. That shit doesn't go away. It always comes back to haunt you. Now I don't see too many of those lovely young ladies running for office but who knows. That type of shit will kill a political career before it ever gets off the ground. And if and when they have kids (which I assume most will do at some point) it's gonna be tough explaining it to them, let's not even talk about the embarrassment for both parent and child. :shock:
 

RickWhite

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It is interesting to me to see the different angles from which people attempt to tackle a question.

Most of the posters above choose to focus on the rights of the individual to make stupid decisions. Stony, obviously a student of old 60s Feminist ideology, included a few of those old saws but essentially responded the same.

DOC111 is the only person so far who responded to a somewhat larger question of the future ramifications of these woman's actions.

Figtree saw the issue as being one of censorship and chose to address that aspect. That is fair, though beat to death IMO.

Of all the statements this one stuck out in my mind the most.

I live in constant fear that my 12 year old will have a lapse in judgment and come home and say,"I think I'm pregnant." I'm gonna stock up on RU-486 when she's allowed to date.

I began to write about how many things are wrong with this statement and then realized this was a whole other topic that would jack the thread so I stopped. But I digress.

The point I wish to encourage people to consider is that while the individual choices and liberties of the girls involved in GGW are valid issues, there are many other questions and a much larger picture. What about the issue of society and how these videos relate to it?

Below is a wiki for social proof. This is a well studied phenomenon that looks at what can be called herd mentality. IllegalSmile mention the media and how effective this is in bringing depravity into the main stream. So, what is the effect of this? Is the efficacy of this technology piping debauchery into the minds of our youth in a way that will influence their choices and their conduct in profound ways? According to the research, the answer is a resounding yes.

Now, I am not suggesting censorship; that discussion is a whole other topic where we get into first amendment rights etc. But, the first thing that ought to be clear is that we can identify and be clear on the existence of a problem without necessarily jumping straight into what we should do about it. Doing that only sets up a false dichotomy.

So, first, we need to be clear that representing debauchery as normal, acceptable, every day conduct does cause negative ramifications. Read the article below and this becomes clear.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Proof

Short of censorship, what we can do is set standards for acceptable conduct. Not necessarily laws or regulations but social standards. Standards that say that 12 year old girls should never under any circumstances be in situations in which there is no adult supervision where sex would be possible. If you look at where many of these GGW videos are made you see young kids; often under 18 at full out spring break drinking parties. What kind of message does this send when a parent even permits them to go to such a place? And what message is this sending to the friends of the kid who gets to go or the kid who sees the adds on TV? We all know the first thing a kid says is "so and so is going, or so and so gets to do X." That is social proof by the way. When I hear about a 16 year old girl hurt, raped, missing, etc at spring break, the first thing that crosses my mind is what parent allows a 16 year old girl to go to spring break.

Now, I don't mean to lock them in a cage until they are 30. I just mean that just as social proof can be used to teach them bad habits, it can be used to teach them good habits. This is where standards come into play. This is where the message that we as a society chooses to send becomes important. This is often refered to as the "moral fabric" of society and this is an explanation rooting in logic as to why we have a moral fabric and why it must be upheld.

We have a choice, we can all vote for an "anything goes" culture and we raise a nation of low self esteem morons who wind up on GGW which will haunt them for life, or we as a society can uphold standards of decency that will encourage mental growth, self esteem, self respect and responsibility.

Life is not just about looking at everything through a soda straw. We as individuals don't live in an isolated bubble - the things we do and the choices we make all contribute to the larger picture that is the human condition. We all need to put down the soda straw and start seeing the big picture.
 
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PadawanBater

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Short of censorship, what we can do is set standards for acceptable conduct. Not necessarily laws or regulations but social standards. Standards that say that 12 year old girls should never under any circumstances be in situations in which there is no adult supervision where sex would be possible. If you look at where many of these GGW videos are made you see young kids; often under 18 at full out spring break drinking parties. What kind of message does this send when a parent even permits them to go to such a place? And what message is this sending to the friends of the kid who gets to go or the kid who sees the adds on TV? We all know the first thing a kid says is "so and so is going, or so and so gets to do X." That is social proof by the way. When I hear about a 16 year old girl hurt, raped, missing, etc at spring break, the first thing that crosses my mind is what parent allows a 16 year old girl to go to spring break.

Now, I don't mean to lock them in a cage until they are 30. I just mean that just as social proof can be used to teach them bad habits, it can be used to teach them good habits. This is where standards come into play. This is where the message that we as a society chooses to send becomes important. This is often refered to as the "moral fabric" of society and this is an explanation rooting in logic as to why we have a moral fabric and why it must be upheld.

We have a choice, we can all vote for an "anything goes" culture and we raise a nation of low self esteem morons who wind up on GGW which will haunt them for life, or we as a society can uphold standards of decency that will encourage mental growth, self esteem, self respect and responsibility.

Life is not just about looking at everything through a soda straw. We as individuals don't live in an isolated bubble - the things we do and the choices we make all contribute to the larger picture that is the human condition. We all need to put down the soda straw and start seeing the big picture.
So you identified a problem with our society that's already been addressed, then the only solution you provided was that which we already know.

Golf clap Ricky. Golf clap. :clap:
 

RickWhite

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So you identified a problem with our society that's already been addressed, then the only solution you provided was that which we already know.

Golf clap Ricky. Golf clap. :clap:
Thanks for the utterly useless post. You have demonstrated in numerous posts and at great length that the answer is wholly unknown to you in every way. This fact is the crux of all of your posts.

You truly are a brain dead douche bag and I ask that you cease and desist your obvious attempts at disruption of my threads.
 
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