Seed Predisposition

[jackinthebox]

Who is to say that is completely true?

Different strains i.e. White widow Has two distinct phenos One being a taller lankier more sativa leaning pheno and theres also the more indica leaning pheno which gives you a shorter bushier plant. Both Phenos can be either sex and this is usually the case for most strains.

Thats very true, but more times then not, you can tell which plants are more then likely going to be male, and which are going to be female. As you said though, this isnt always the case. Good point = )

Much love growers <3

 

[Moldy]

I've read where the enviroment can affect sex. It was put out by Dutch Passion Seeds and reprinted in Jorge's book. Just briefly... Low temps (all during seedling growth) increases the number of females, Higher humidity increases females, low growing medium moisture incrases males, More blue light increase females, fewer hours of daylight (e.g. 14 hrs) incrases the number of females, over 18 hours increases males, any "stress" increases males. Now I'm just the messenger, I don't know if this is true but I know I have a problem with low humidity and never have better than 50% females... but I'm a new grower so I only have a little history.
>>> First grow W. Widow = 2 out of 10 were female. Bag seeds = 0 out of 6 were female. Skunkberry = 5 out of 10 female but then again that was from Peak Seeds and I hear of 100% females from their normal seeds.

 

[nowstopwhining]

Thats very true, but more times then not, you can tell which plants are more then likely going to be male, and which are going to be female. As you said though, this isnt always the case. Good point = )

Much love growers <3

thank you atleast you can have a good discussion without freeaking like skunk did...

I agree with what your saying but im going to guess there is more to it than we can even realize or maybe the stress slowly effects the sex?

Honestly I dont know and like I said im not trying to prove anything in here because that is impossible....all im trying to say is that skunk is not helping anything by spreading even more of his own "MYTHS" just for arguments sake.

If he does not want to have a discussion then I want proof that will make discussion impossible

like you said I as well am not trying to argue and when someone calls me dumb because of something I said like skunk did I would love to be shown what I said that was incorrect because I, as well as others will learn from it. He never has the respect to do this.

As I always say debate and discussion is good and advances our thought, logic, and reasoning. Hatred and cursing on the other hand do nothing but hurt our process of thought and reason.

 

[Moldy]

My gut tells me that a seed will "tend" to be one sex or the other... like flipping a coin. I know they can sure be different as QYW quoted about the W.W. My first grow I had two females. One was more indica, shorter etc. while the other was flucking huge (8' in a bathtub)! Even the leaves were showing sativa type narrow pattern and the other had fatty fan leaves. The sativa type plant even smelled and tasted different after curing. I thought that some seeds got mixed up but it sounds like a normal thing.

 

[nowstopwhining]

i would love for you to do a controlled test Skunk, i would love to see the results. Until then I really dont think you have a right to put place your opinions on this subject above others who im sorry to say I believe are more qualified (please do not take this the wrong way like youve been doing skunk).

 

[skunkushybrid]

OK. Back to the facts... if seeds are not predisposed to be one sex or the other then how are they born? With no chromosomes (a-sexual) or with both of equal strength (natural hermaphrodite)?

If you go back to the start of the thread this is all explained. So, let's say that the seed, and resultant plant are a-sexual... and the environment makes the plant decide to be one sex or the other, a: why do only some of them turn male? b: where does the other chromosome come from? as cannabis has both.

 

[nowstopwhining]

OK. Back to the facts... if seeds are not predisposed to be one sex or the other then how are they born? With no chromosomes (a-sexual) or with both of equal strength (natural hermaphrodite)?

If you go back to the start of the thread this is all explained. So, let's say that the seed, and resultant plant are a-sexual... and the environment makes the plant decide to be one sex or the other, a: why do only some of them turn male? b: where does the other chromosome come from? as cannabis has both.

very good points, Im thinking it isnt environment alone, I think genetic make up plays a role as well.

I will try and make up a little scenario here:

Lets say we have two seeds A, and B.

Lets say seed a has A has a 40/60 chance to be Female/male While seed B has a 25/75 chance to be Female/male due to genetic makeup alone.

Now with environmental stress during the veg stage lets say seed A now has a 60/40 chance to be female/male and seed be has a 45/55 chance of being female/male.

so now obviously both plants have a chance of going either way but seed A now has a greater chance of being female once placed into flowering. This could obviously go either and I just made this data up but it does an ok job of representing what im getting at.

Im thinking this is how environmental stress plays a role. I dont think plant sex is based solely on genetic makeup or environmental stress, rather a combination of the two.

obviously I could be wrong but it is fact that certain species of plants are effected sexually by environmental stress.

 

[fdd2blk]

I agree 100% as well.

but if you look at my post there has been scientific evidence that many species of plants sex is effected by environmental stressors.

Id also like to say that environmental stress will not make a plant completely change sex and that is not what he or anyone else is trying to say. We are trying to figure out whether or not the future sex of a plant while in the vegetative stage is effected by environmental stress.

I think its crazy that skunk thinks he is the man to go around saying its complete bullshit, but I also think its crazy for someone to say that its a fact that stress can effect sex. That is until the man come along with good scientific evidence.

I say you should stop creating all these threads just for the sake of argument which you made very clear by saying you cant wait for people to come in and argue. This is not the point im trying to make though....my point is that you should not go around calling this information bullshit, that is just going around spreading unproven information which is exactly why you are arguing this information in the first place...yeah?

i called BS also.

i consider myself a "professional".

you should stay out of the "advanced" forum.

i love you.

 

[skunkushybrid]

i called BS also.

i consider myself a &quot;professional&quot;.

you should stay out of the &quot;advanced&quot; forum.

i love you.

Thanks fdd'... I have him on ignore. He pisses me off that much.

 

[nowstopwhining]

i called BS also.

i consider myself a "professional".

you should stay out of the "advanced" forum.

i love you.

your saying the scientific research on various plants is bullshit?

Im not saying im right or wrong and im not saying skunk is right or wrong....im saying who knows....that is until someone does some real tests.

 

[SmokeUmPipe]

Why would you need another chromosome?? I thought it was already agreed in here that they have both Male and Female chromosomes just one becomes dormient and one becomes dominant(in theory obviously,as this whole thread seems to be in theory and opinions) so in that sense I dont see how or even why a magical chromosome would come in to play

secondly wasnt there another thread started by you skunk that says marijuana plants used to be all hermies...is it possible that through out time based on the living conditions and environment the plants have adapted to becoming either one or the other??

IMO it would make more sense to be one or the other bc instead of splitting a plant in half one side male and one side female you are reducing the amount of potential seeds..if you have separate male and female plants youd get alot more reproduction done and frankly I think this is why marijuana evolved to producing either one or the other instead of all hermies..

Theres nothing that proves seeds are asexual and then turn a certain sex once flowered but theres also no proof saying the seed you pick up is def. a male or def. a female and nothing will change it(other then feminized)

I think weve got to remember that Yes marijuana has evolved over the hundreds of years but its still a simple plant, a weed if you will, it seems that just bc it gives us a high and makes us feel all good that we have to return the favor and talk the plant up to be some smart-before its time-super plant
Just my opinions

 

[fdd2blk]

your saying the scientific research on various plants is bullshit?

Im not saying im right or wrong and im not saying skunk is right or wrong....im saying who knows....that is until someone does some real tests.

various??? various marijuana plants?



actually you told skunk to stop spreading BS.


i don't think i want to take the word of a company who is pushing a $200 ten pack of "femminized seeds". i can start pulling threads of all the people who ended up with MALES. if it is because of something the grower did then it's NOT a femminized seed is it? and if you can effect the sex by the way you grow then why femminized seeds at all?


i trust the people on this board. WE, my friend, are the ones who know. WE hold the knowledge. WE are the professionals.

 

[skunkushybrid]

I keep asking myself, what do I do about this guy? Ruining threads like this is not very healthy for the site. Especially not in the Advanced Forum.

What is it with this guy?

 

[nowstopwhining]

various??? various marijuana plants?



actually you told skunk to stop spreading BS.


i don't think i want to take the word of a company who is pushing a $200 ten pack of "femminized seeds". i can start pulling threads of all the people who ended up with MALES. if it is because of something the grower did then it's NOT a femminized seed is it? and if you can effect the sex by the way you grow then why femminized seeds at all?


i trust the people on this board. WE, my friend, are the ones who know. WE hold the knowledge. WE are the professionals.

Im not talking about strains of marijuana, im talking about different species of plants.

This is not info from marijuana seed breeders

Im talking about tests done at universitys by botanists on other species of plants....they have proven that certain species of plants are effected sexually by environmental stress.

They obviously didnt perform these tests on marijuana but it does prove that it is possible for marijuana to have these traits as well.

I am not "ruining" this thread. What did I do to "ruin" it.

I thought this thread was geared towards debate.....

bottomline it is impossible for us to take anything said in this thread as FACT untill real tests are done on actual marijuana plants. So Skunks debate that he started here has no real point until we get some facts.

Someone needs to do some tests.....and until then.....

 

[fdd2blk]

Im not talking about strains of marijuana, im talking about different species of plants.

Im talking about tests done at universitys on other species of plants....they have proven that certain species of plants are effected sexually by environmental stress.

They obviously didnt perform these tests on marijuana but it does prove that it is possible for marijuana to have these traits as well.

that leaves a huge gap of unanswered questions.

 

[skunkushybrid]

Why would you need another chromosome?? I thought it was already agreed in here that they have both Male and Female chromosomes just one becomes dormient and one becomes dominant(in theory obviously,as this whole thread seems to be in theory and opinions) so in that sense I dont see how or even why a magical chromosome would come in to play

Right, I shall answer your questions. Although why I should need to again is beyond me. I said, wow, this is so hard. I said that as cannabis has both chromosomes, then if it started life as asexual even though the environment tells it to be male and the plant produces the male chromosome (out of nowhere), then why produce a dormant female chromosome too?

secondly wasnt there another thread started by you skunk that says marijuana plants used to be all hermies...is it possible that through out time based on the living conditions and environment the plants have adapted to becoming either one or the other??

Of course they've adapted to be one or the other. You really are confused, and are misinterpreting my posts.

 

[fdd2blk]

Why would you need another chromosome?? I thought it was already agreed in here that they have both Male and Female chromosomes just one becomes dormient and one becomes dominant(in theory obviously,as this whole thread seems to be in theory and opinions) so in that sense I dont see how or even why a magical chromosome would come in to play

secondly wasnt there another thread started by you skunk that says marijuana plants used to be all hermies...is it possible that through out time based on the living conditions and environment the plants have adapted to becoming either one or the other??

IMO it would make more sense to be one or the other bc instead of splitting a plant in half one side male and one side female you are reducing the amount of potential seeds..if you have separate male and female plants youd get alot more reproduction done and frankly I think this is why marijuana evolved to producing either one or the other instead of all hermies..

Theres nothing that proves seeds are asexual and then turn a certain sex once flowered but theres also no proof saying the seed you pick up is def. a male or def. a female and nothing will change it(other then feminized)

I think weve got to remember that Yes marijuana has evolved over the hundreds of years but its still a simple plant, a weed if you will, it seems that just bc it gives us a high and makes us feel all good that we have to return the favor and talk the plant up to be some smart-before its time-super plant
Just my opinions

you must have saw my post before i deleted it. i thought i knew what i was saying then got lost in all the X's and Y's.

 

[fdd2blk]

Im not talking about strains of marijuana, im talking about different species of plants.

Im talking about tests done at universitys on other species of plants....they have proven that certain species of plants are effected sexually by environmental stress.

They obviously didnt perform these tests on marijuana but it does prove that it is possible for marijuana to have these traits as well.

I am not "ruining" this thread. What did I do to "ruin" it.

I thought this thread was geared towards debate.....

bottomline it is impossible for us to take anything said in this thread as FACT untill real tests are done on actual marijuana plants.

it's a FACT that males come from femminized seeds. unless people on this board are fibbing.

 

[skunkushybrid]

that leaves a huge gap of unanswered questions.

Yes it does, let's see the evidence. that's what this forum is for.

 

[nowstopwhining]

that leaves a huge gap of unanswered questions.

no it just goes on to prove that environmental stress COULD play a role and nobody can be sure who is right or wrong.

I am not talking about feminized seeds here and niether is skunk...we are talking about regular seeds. I dont where you saw me talking about femenized seeds.


skunk needs to stop commenting on the things you are saying to me because he ignored me and obviously cant read anything im saying.