Boomer's 2400w Sour Grape GrowOp w/ ScrOG & CO2
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BooMeR242
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Hey Boomer...does your mother-in law know you're gay??
hehehehe. Looks like we've got similar ideas.. Im currently rooting 59 Jack the Rippers, and 1 OG Kush. I'm going to grow/flower the JTR and mother the OG kush.
I"m bumping up the wattage and making a move...waiting for the lady to GTFO so I can start doing construction.
"You know how i know ur gay bterz?"
-"cuz u asked if i was gay..."
lol anyways.... sounds legit. wat u bumpin ur wattage up to tho? or u changing rooms completly? since ur kickin her out or wat? haha
BooMeR242
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i agree actually. i was skimmin thru dagmblers thread and the 1plant per sq ft makes sense. less veg time is a must.
sagensour
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Thats what Im doin Boomer. Make sense. I veg for only a week sometimes
BlazinL
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also if your worried about the height and if to use veg to fill the screen or the 12/12 strectch to fill it out i would try bushmasters to control it all. Ive done some research and it stops vertical growth almost dead in its tracks with shorter internode( biggger buds) and tells the plant that it is time to flower. jus something to toss out there.
Hulk Nugs
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Dam man not sure what happened on my end but missed out on allot, congrats on the new puppy, always enjoy my dogs puppy's at heart. Plants are looking good indoor and outdoor can not get any better!!
the info was from 2009 fall catalog, hoping theres going to be a new 2010 spring one coming soon
Hulk Nugs
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Hmm just blazed some good Purps
wheels started turning after reading another thread and crunching some numbers.What if you could do 4 per sq ft?
Just was checking out Ichi's grow, he made the plants look right at home with that and lollipopping.
Put a 600 watts over a 2x2, we will just say for a scale
4 per sqft
vegged until 9 inchs
flowered might end up 30 inchs depending on strain at harvest
estimate around 50 60 grams per plant
Would almost give your around 2lb in just a 2x2, i dont know
Could give Boomer around 8lbs out of his light setup
Like i said that Purp was good but shit tell me if i am way off with this.
The only way that would be sufficient is if you didn't care about plant count.
Realistically, 2lb's in a 2x2 area isn't realistic at all. Expert growers who have been doing this for years are barely hitting the GPW (gram per watt) mark under 1000w bulbs in a 4x4 area...
In my opinion, if plant count is not an issue, Sea of Green is best, like you mentioned, stuffing 4-6 per sq foot in 5" containers.
Lets use our imagination
If you ran 5 inch containers, filled with whatever medium, you could stuff 81 plants under a 1000w bulb in a 4x4 table, with room to spare. With little to no veg time, you could make the flip, and hope for an average of 14 grams per plant, using the lollipop method. Thats a 14 gram cola/nug when dried/cured...thats pretty big, but realistic.
14 grams x 81 plants = 1134 grams.. about 10% over 1GPW, which is a remarkable goal...and this allows you to utilize all the space with perfectly spaced nuggage...right??
kinda.
While an evenly spread canopy is KEY to reaching 1GPW, along with a ton of other variables, using a high number of small plants is a waste of height.
I believe, using 1 plant per sq foot, trained/topped/fimmed/supercropped (WHATEVER you have to do to get all the branches at a level height filling in the canopy) is best because it allows for a taller plant where the brightness of a big 1000w bulb can penetrate the lower buds.
Im rambling and high as shit... there are many ways to get the best use out of your light / efficiency..its just a matter of finding what works best for you...this comes with practice and learning your strain...some strains like to be vegged out and produce monster buds whereas some create the perfect lollipopped SoG.
/end
/bong hit
edit: 4 per sq foot vegged to 9 inches and you would run out of room. Each plant only has 25sq inches to grow into. (5 inches x 5 inches) .. I get fan leaves that are bigger then that
Realistically, 2lb's in a 2x2 area isn't realistic at all. Expert growers who have been doing this for years are barely hitting the GPW (gram per watt) mark under 1000w bulbs in a 4x4 area...
In my opinion, if plant count is not an issue, Sea of Green is best, like you mentioned, stuffing 4-6 per sq foot in 5" containers.
Lets use our imagination
If you ran 5 inch containers, filled with whatever medium, you could stuff 81 plants under a 1000w bulb in a 4x4 table, with room to spare. With little to no veg time, you could make the flip, and hope for an average of 14 grams per plant, using the lollipop method. Thats a 14 gram cola/nug when dried/cured...thats pretty big, but realistic.
14 grams x 81 plants = 1134 grams.. about 10% over 1GPW, which is a remarkable goal...and this allows you to utilize all the space with perfectly spaced nuggage...right??
kinda.
While an evenly spread canopy is KEY to reaching 1GPW, along with a ton of other variables, using a high number of small plants is a waste of height.
I believe, using 1 plant per sq foot, trained/topped/fimmed/supercropped (WHATEVER you have to do to get all the branches at a level height filling in the canopy) is best because it allows for a taller plant where the brightness of a big 1000w bulb can penetrate the lower buds.
Im rambling and high as shit... there are many ways to get the best use out of your light / efficiency..its just a matter of finding what works best for you...this comes with practice and learning your strain...some strains like to be vegged out and produce monster buds whereas some create the perfect lollipopped SoG.
/end
/bong hit
edit: 4 per sq foot vegged to 9 inches and you would run out of room. Each plant only has 25sq inches to grow into. (5 inches x 5 inches) .. I get fan leaves that are bigger then that
#1Raiderfan420
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The only way that would be sufficient is if you didn't care about plant count.
Realistically, 2lb's in a 2x2 area isn't realistic at all. Expert growers who have been doing this for years are barely hitting the GPW (gram per watt) mark under 1000w bulbs in a 4x4 area...
In my opinion, if plant count is not an issue, Sea of Green is best, like you mentioned, stuffing 4-6 per sq foot in 5" containers.
Lets use our imagination
If you ran 5 inch containers, filled with whatever medium, you could stuff 81 plants under a 1000w bulb in a 4x4 table, with room to spare. With little to no veg time, you could make the flip, and hope for an average of 14 grams per plant, using the lollipop method. Thats a 14 gram cola/nug when dried/cured...thats pretty big, but realistic.
14 grams x 81 plants = 1134 grams.. about 10% over 1GPW, which is a remarkable goal...and this allows you to utilize all the space with perfectly spaced nuggage...right??
kinda.
While an evenly spread canopy is KEY to reaching 1GPW, along with a ton of other variables, using a high number of small plants is a waste of height.
I believe, using 1 plant per sq foot, trained/topped/fimmed/supercropped (WHATEVER you have to do to get all the branches at a level height filling in the canopy) is best because it allows for a taller plant where the brightness of a big 1000w bulb can penetrate the lower buds.
Im rambling and high as shit... there are many ways to get the best use out of your light / efficiency..its just a matter of finding what works best for you...this comes with practice and learning your strain...some strains like to be vegged out and produce monster buds whereas some create the perfect lollipopped SoG.
/end
/bong hit
edit: 4 per sq foot vegged to 9 inches and you would run out of room. Each plant only has 25sq inches to grow into. (5 inches x 5 inches) .. I get fan leaves that are bigger then that
Man, you guys are makng my head spin. lol IMHO f you ran 4 plants per sq ft you would need to skip veg and use sog and lollipop. As Bterz stated there would be no room for the plant to expand. One cola per plant. I guess if have been runnng 6 per 4x4 tray I have a little over 2 sq ft per plant. Boomer, you sad my room looks too crowded, so you wouldn't want to jam too many n there.
As for numbers, am sure most of you know, Cal state just removed the number lmit and now it is a matter of resonable amount for patient use. I actually am vegging 17 plants right now and am thinkng of runnng 9 pk n one tray and 8 mystery strain in the second 4x4. I will remove more shoots and try to get 2 or 3 large colas per sq ft. I am still gonna veg 6 weeks though, so I don't know how the scrog will work with the extra plants.
I just veg while the ladies are flowering, but if you aren't able to veg simultaneously than would try a 10 day veg with 9 per 3x3 tray. This could realistcally give you 2 oz per plant or more if you build the screen wider than your trays lke you were talkng about. think it is more about the width of your canopy than the amount of plants. Just my 2 cents
BooMeR242
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Hmm just blazed some good Purps
What if you could do 4 per sq ft?
Just was checking out Ichi's grow, he made the plants look right at home with that and lollipopping.
Put a 600 watts over a 2x2, we will just say for a scale
4 per sqft
vegged until 9 inchs
flowered might end up 30 inchs depending on strain at harvest
estimate around 50 60 grams per plant
Would almost give your around 2lb in just a 2x2, i dont know
Could give Boomer around 8lbs out of his light setup
Like i said that Purp was good but shit tell me if i am way off with this.
very interesting numbers. gonna have to do sum number crunchin myself then. do u have a link to that thread ure talking about? id like to scope it out
BooMeR242
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well im impressed btzers this is prob the longest post ive seen u write so ill take it as a compliment that ure this involved haha.The only way that would be sufficient is if you didn't care about plant count.
Realistically, 2lb's in a 2x2 area isn't realistic at all. Expert growers who have been doing this for years are barely hitting the GPW (gram per watt) mark under 1000w bulbs in a 4x4 area...
In my opinion, if plant count is not an issue, Sea of Green is best, like you mentioned, stuffing 4-6 per sq foot in 5" containers.
Lets use our imagination
If you ran 5 inch containers, filled with whatever medium, you could stuff 81 plants under a 1000w bulb in a 4x4 table, with room to spare. With little to no veg time, you could make the flip, and hope for an average of 14 grams per plant, using the lollipop method. Thats a 14 gram cola/nug when dried/cured...thats pretty big, but realistic.
14 grams x 81 plants = 1134 grams.. about 10% over 1GPW, which is a remarkable goal...and this allows you to utilize all the space with perfectly spaced nuggage...right??
kinda.
While an evenly spread canopy is KEY to reaching 1GPW, along with a ton of other variables, using a high number of small plants is a waste of height.
I believe, using 1 plant per sq foot, trained/topped/fimmed/supercropped (WHATEVER you have to do to get all the branches at a level height filling in the canopy) is best because it allows for a taller plant where the brightness of a big 1000w bulb can penetrate the lower buds.
Im rambling and high as shit... there are many ways to get the best use out of your light / efficiency..its just a matter of finding what works best for you...this comes with practice and learning your strain...some strains like to be vegged out and produce monster buds whereas some create the perfect lollipopped SoG.
/end
/bong hit
edit: 4 per sq foot vegged to 9 inches and you would run out of room. Each plant only has 25sq inches to grow into. (5 inches x 5 inches) .. I get fan leaves that are bigger then that
but i am sumwat concerned with my plant count since ill b runnin a perpetual harvest with a 10'x10' veg room and another 10'x10' room for flowering. the veg room will have anywehre from 4-8 mothers. then could have 36 fresh cuttings and 36 veggin plants til theyre a foot tall then another 36 plants in the flower room. which puts me over the federal 99 plant limit. (since they count fresh cuttings as an entire plant when they do insepctions) so bascially im tryin to get all my bases covered. i was able to get in a business partnership with a owner of a delivery service thats local and lookin for solid vendors. so hes gonna help get me legally dialed and covered for my plant limit. but im leaning more towards 9 plants under each 600w lamp so its 1 plant per sq ft. but i can always add more the followin rounds and see wat works best. i think one issue of me being greedy about low veg time is the issue that im doin a scrog which always requires more veg time period but theoretically makes up for the down time with the end yield. but im glad u guys are giving me the ins and outs so i can weigh my options. this week i need to start buying supplies. we are gonna start moving into the new location this weekend. but lots of work to be done. cleaning painting security electrical etc. all that shit before i can begin growroom construction. but anyways again thanks for rambling bterz i appreciate the imput. i agree with covering the most u can with a cola canopy and flood it with light. im only using 600s since the lumen per watt conversion is better. i mite add more 600s with the next round tho.
BooMeR242
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ure grow is great bro but ya i would like to veg less then 6weeks and not worry about overcrowding in the end. but thats why im followin lots of grows closely to see what works and doesnt.
and ya i heard a couple weeks ago about the no plant limit law, which im still curious if its just a rumor and would like to see how its held up in the court of law. but i dont want to be the one to test it out haha.
BooMeR242
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great link bro i appreciate it! rep+
BooMeR242
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thanks man im gonna read thru it looks legit tho
#1Raiderfan420
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Great info. The irony is that I understand Humbolt county is the only county that imposed a 99 plants limit as a law versus a guidline. So the rumor is they are the most restricted county in the state now. Not sure how much valdiity is to ths story, just what i have heard at the dispensaries.
Hey man, you don;t have to shorten your grow if you scrog. Just adjust the screen to the canopy top when you put them in and weave durng the 2 week stretch. If they are 12" when you put them in the flower room you will get another 12" during the first two weeks to train them with.
Oh and where is the love, my post was as long as Bterz. lol I know I just post more often then him right? jk