Time to End "Don't Ask, Don't Tell"

RickWhite

RickWhite

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Stoney McFried said:
Like you? Did your bird let you in on how to jiggle your thumb to achieve maximum stimulation?:mrgreen:
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It might have been beak rubbing now that you mention it. Evidently this is what excites them - I did not know that. Could this be an instinctive response?

I do however remember someone else claiming that animals make their own choices - who was that?

Oh ya, it was Michael Vick trying to make the case that his dogs choose to fight each other. I think he even said they like fighting and that is why they do it.

Looks like all the charges against Vick should have been dropped. After all, it is obvious that his dogs knew what they were doing and willingly chose to fight to the death. Obviously the dogs could have simply chosen not to.

In fact, instead of fighting, the dogs could have simply chosen to get gay together instead of fighting - make love not war doggies!


Idiots! :wall:
 
Leothwyn

Leothwyn

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Just because some dogs have strong instincts to fight, and people take advantage of that for their own sick pleasure does not mean that dogs are incapable of making choices. A dog may be tempted to chew something up, but after being reprimanded enough will chose not too, even though its tempted. It's not the complex decision making that humans do, but it is a choice. Animals make tons of simple choices.

Speaking of idiots... it's been said here many times, even within the little animal awareness debate, that self-awareness and the ability to reason are not prerequisites for homosexuality, but you just don't get it. As I said before, that kind of definition doesn't fit well with conservatives and the whole sinner/choice thing.

From Merriam-Webster:
Main Entry: ho·mo·sex·u·al·i·ty
Pronunciation: \ˌhō-mə-ˌsek-shə-ˈwa-lə-tē\
Function: noun
Date: 1892
1 : the quality or state of being homosexual
2 : erotic activity with another of the same sex




Main Entry: 1ho·mo·sex·u·al
Pronunciation: \ˌhō-mə-ˈsek-sh(ə-)wəl, -ˈsek-shəl\
Function: adjective
Date: 1892
1 : of, relating to, or characterized by a tendency to direct sexual desire toward another of the same sex
 
RickWhite

RickWhite

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Leothwyn said:
Just because some dogs have strong instincts to fight, and people take advantage of that for their own sick pleasure does not mean that dogs are incapable of making choices. A dog may be tempted to chew something up, but after being reprimanded enough will chose not too, even though its tempted. It's not the complex decision making that humans do, but it is a choice. Animals make tons of simple choices.

Speaking of idiots... it's been said here many times, even within the little animal awareness debate, that self-awareness and the ability to reason are not prerequisites for homosexuality, but you just don't get it. As I said before, that kind of definition doesn't fit well with conservatives and the whole sinner/choice thing.

From Merriam-Webster:
Main Entry: ho·mo·sex·u·al·i·ty
Pronunciation: \ˌhō-mə-ˌsek-shə-ˈwa-lə-tē\
Function: noun
Date: 1892
1 : the quality or state of being homosexual
2 : erotic activity with another of the same sex




Main Entry: 1ho·mo·sex·u·al
Pronunciation: \ˌhō-mə-ˈsek-sh(ə-)wəl, -ˈsek-shəl\
Function: adjective
Date: 1892
1 : of, relating to, or characterized by a tendency to direct sexual desire toward another of the same sex
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Are you joking?

Have you ever heard of a guy named Pavlov?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_conditioning

Your reprimanded dog is responding based on a conditioned response, not on a conscious choice. You should have learned this in high school.

I have seen the definition you are referring to and I am calling it nonsense.

Even the definition you posted includes "erotic activity." Erotic, is from the Greek Eros, which is a concept in philosophy that deals with distinctly human ideas.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eros_(concept)#Eros_in_Plato.27s_philosophy


Once again, animals do not select mates based on cognitive function and therefore can not making "choices" in the same way humans do.

The mating habits of all animals are strictly an issue of instinct. Even humans demonstrate some level of instinctive behavior in selecting mates. Men seek women with certain physical characteristics and women seek taller men and men with high social standing. These things are hard wired into our brains.

A female peacock is attracted to the male with the largest tail feathers. This is strictly an instinctual response to an evolutionary cue. One could probably mount a large array of tail feathers on a broom handle and elicit a mating response.

It is illogical to assume from this, that the female peacock is demonstrating a preference for broom handles. That is exactly what your definition claims by its own logic.

Likewise, one could spray a brick with insect pheromones and thousands of insects would attempt to mate with it. In fact, they make pesticide strips this way.

Is it logical to assume that these insects are demonstrating a sexual preference for bricks - of course not.

Animals do not have sexual preferences. Animals respond to basic instinctual triggers and can easily be confused. This does not constitute sexual preference and it is nothing short of silly to suggest otherwise.
 
Leothwyn

Leothwyn

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Of course I've heard of Pavlov. A lot of human 'choices' could also be called conditioned responses. And, I said that any choices that animals make are not the complex types that people often make. I'm thinking of 'choice' as picking one thing over another - not with deep self awareness, or complex reasoning; just picking something. I'm thinking of 'homosexual' in the most basic sense: homo = same. Two animals of the same gender that have sex, or pair up in a relationship are doing a homosexual act or having a homosexual relationship (obviously it's not the kind of relationship that humans have, it's a simpler bonding). As far as gay genes go, maybe the science isn't there yet (admittedly, I'm not so up on scientific advances in genetic research), but I suspect that science will find something in our genes that influences our sexual preferences.

So, we're working with different definitions all around, and there's not necessarily a right way (our language is very flexible, and often debatable). As I said, your definitions are the ones conservatives need to go with to support the sinner/choice ideas.
Anyway, there's no point for me to go on with this debate. We could debate semantics all day long and get nowhere, and we can both find different dictionaries with our preferred definitions... and even that accomplishes nothing, because our language is constantly evolving, and dictionaries aren't always the first ones pick up on it. I understand what you're saying, you understand what I'm saying, and we totally disagree. That's it.
 
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fdd2blk

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Leothwyn said:
Just because some dogs have strong instincts to fight, and people take advantage of that for their own sick pleasure does not mean that dogs are incapable of making choices. A dog may be tempted to chew something up, but after being reprimanded enough will chose not too, even though its tempted. It's not the complex decision making that humans do, but it is a choice. Animals make tons of simple choices.

Speaking of idiots... it's been said here many times, even within the little animal awareness debate, that self-awareness and the ability to reason are not prerequisites for homosexuality, but you just don't get it. As I said before, that kind of definition doesn't fit well with conservatives and the whole sinner/choice thing.

From Merriam-Webster:
Main Entry: ho·mo·sex·u·al·i·ty
Pronunciation: \ˌhō-mə-ˌsek-shə-ˈwa-lə-tē\
Function: noun
Date: 1892
1 : the quality or state of being homosexual
2 : erotic activity with another of the same sex




Main Entry: 1ho·mo·sex·u·al
Pronunciation: \ˌhō-mə-ˈsek-sh(ə-)wəl, -ˈsek-shəl\
Function: adjective
Date: 1892
1 : of, relating to, or characterized by a tendency to direct sexual desire toward another of the same sex
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maybe we can beat the gay out of them. :mrgreen: :bigjoint:
 
Stoney McFried

Stoney McFried

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Not beak, Rick, back.If they have no other bird to "court" they will court you.They're using you as a masturbation tool.If given a choice, they will choose another bird-if the affection is returned.I had a parakeet that had a mate that would not put out-so he screwed one of the toys in the cage.There were other females and males to choose from.He made the choice to masturbate instead of get a new mate.
Now, these birds are actually pretty smart, and you can teach them a lot of tricks.But it takes patience,because you must repeat the same actions over and over and over. So what I'm saying is-you had to repeat the thumb wiggle in order to determine he or she did it every time.You couldn't just assume it did that every time based on one incident.The bird also had to recognize what the signal meant, and that takes time.And you had to figure out the "correct" way to wiggle your thumb.So that implies trial and error. Rick, that means you admitted to jerking off a bird. Now, I know what the bird got from it,but I ask-what was in it for you?:-P
RickWhite said:
It might have been beak rubbing now that you mention it. Evidently this is what excites them - I did not know that. Could this be an instinctive response?

I do however remember someone else claiming that animals make their own choices - who was that?

Oh ya, it was Michael Vick trying to make the case that his dogs choose to fight each other. I think he even said they like fighting and that is why they do it.

Looks like all the charges against Vick should have been dropped. After all, it is obvious that his dogs knew what they were doing and willingly chose to fight to the death. Obviously the dogs could have simply chosen not to.

In fact, instead of fighting, the dogs could have simply chosen to get gay together instead of fighting - make love not war doggies!


Idiots! :wall:
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CrackerJax

CrackerJax

New Member
They had gay technicians working on those. They still let loose deadly explosive charges....but they added in rainbow colors.
 
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fdd2blk

Well-Known Member
i should have said "whistles".
'cause bombs whistle on the way down.




so anyway, what do thumb fucking parakeets and the military have in common?

gays.


:)
 
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