Time to End "Don't Ask, Don't Tell"
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Stoney McFried
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I get what he's saying. Nevermind, I give up. 
Leothwyn
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It's about the unit, not the individual. So, maybe they should be consistent, if this is just about keeping personal issues out of the military. Don't ask, don't tell - if you're vegetarian, atheist, christian, straight and married, you have kids, etc.. They should start discharging anyone who admits to being christian - it's distracting, they're not there to talk about personal lives.
Obviously, it's not just about keeping personal lives out of it. It's because homosexuality makes a lot of people uncomfortable.
And, if it's decided that it causes too many issues, and people aren't mature enough to get over phobias... then maybe we do need don't ask don't tell. But, don't pretend it's just a simple matter of keeping all personal issues out of the military - it's all about this specific issue.
Obviously, it's not just about keeping personal lives out of it. It's because homosexuality makes a lot of people uncomfortable.
And, if it's decided that it causes too many issues, and people aren't mature enough to get over phobias... then maybe we do need don't ask don't tell. But, don't pretend it's just a simple matter of keeping all personal issues out of the military - it's all about this specific issue.
CrackerJax
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Funny you should say that FDD ... I read a study a few months back which concluded that mixed neighborhoods are more dysfunctional than ethnic ones. Ppl tend to trust NO ONE in mixed neighborhoods. The isolation affects everyone who lives there.
i tried to address the "peeking at my penis thing" and was simply called names.
i personally might not fear it, but there are people out there who will NEVER accept it. i just try to bring it ALL to the table. these aren't MY personal opinions. most of them aren't anyways.
Stoney McFried
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*peeks at your penis*
i tried to address the "peeking at my penis thing" and was simply called names.
i personally might not fear it, but there are people out there who will NEVER accept it. i just try to bring it ALL to the table. these aren't MY personal opinions. most of them aren't anyways.
Leothwyn
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You may have a point there. Maybe it's just too uncomfortable. Though, having 'don't ask, don't tell' in place is not stopping any penis peeking, is it?
I've never been in the military, so won't even try to claim to know what's best, though I personally don't get the big hang up with what kind of relationships other people have. I was really just saying that the argument about it just being about keeping personal matters out of the military doesn't fly with me - it's all about homosexuality specifically.
Also, the point about gays needing to parade around telling everyone that they're gay doesn't work for me. I have a few gay friends and they don't go around announcing their gayness. Sure, if a gay was doing that, it would be distracting - just like a soldier running around, yelling that his kids are the greatest kids in the world would be distracting. That kind of thing should not be allowed. But, people quietly talking about their lives back at home in their free time is a separate thing.
I've never been in the military, so won't even try to claim to know what's best, though I personally don't get the big hang up with what kind of relationships other people have. I was really just saying that the argument about it just being about keeping personal matters out of the military doesn't fly with me - it's all about homosexuality specifically.
Also, the point about gays needing to parade around telling everyone that they're gay doesn't work for me. I have a few gay friends and they don't go around announcing their gayness. Sure, if a gay was doing that, it would be distracting - just like a soldier running around, yelling that his kids are the greatest kids in the world would be distracting. That kind of thing should not be allowed. But, people quietly talking about their lives back at home in their free time is a separate thing.
i tried to address the "peeking at my penis thing" and was simply called names.
i personally might not fear it, but there are people out there who will NEVER accept it. i just try to bring it ALL to the table. these aren't MY personal opinions. most of them aren't anyways.
SatisfiedDread
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You may not like to talk about your personal life, but I'm sure others do. It happens.why would anyone care what my wife's name was?
why not end it at "are you married?", .. "yes".
why you take it up to the point of sexuality? who the fuck cares?
why do gays insist upon letting us know they are gay? it's as if they seek acceptance.
when i say "i don't care". that means i don't care. in other words, don't tell me.
i don't ask my friend about their sex lives. my best buddy could smoke pole in his free time. i wouldn't know, we don't really go over that stuff together.
gays want to let me known they are gay so i will say "cool". that's what i really see.
let gays in the military. i don't care.
Acceptance is a nice thing really, but it doesn't mean giving hugs and kisses. A good acceptance (at least to me) is 'hey, your life doesn't impact the quality of my life, do what you will'. Live and let live, no?
Personal life is obviously an issue within the military because DADT is in policy. If everyone didn't talk about their home life then what issue would it be if gays served?
What I think is the big issue is the wording. "Out in the military" makes it sound like a bunch of gays parading around being 'fabulous'...right? But this isn't what the issue is about, it's about being booted from the military because your personal life is a problem to them. But why should it be a problem if military life and your personal life is separate?
As I said before, if you have a troublemaker, you deal with them individually. Not say well this gay guy is like this, so the rest of you are! Just because one or a few do something unsavory, doesn't mean the whole 'group' will.
God's Balls
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The DoD needs gays to serve, once we get into Iran we'll blow through all the straights. No pun intended.
Antidisestablishmentarian
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That I am a motherfucker video cracks me up. One guy goes to the other, swings, then gets his ass beat.
The beaten man goes and sits down and the dumb camera operator tells him he should press charges lol.
Sorry, if you attack someone and get your ass beat, thats on you.
Self defense all the way.
The beaten man goes and sits down and the dumb camera operator tells him he should press charges lol.
Sorry, if you attack someone and get your ass beat, thats on you.
Self defense all the way.
Leothwyn
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Like I said, that's an issue of people intentionally being distracting with their views - a christian getting all preachy, some guy bragging about how he has the coolest car... whatever. If someone's being distracting, they should be stopped. If people talk about their families and relationships with each other in their free time, I'd say that's quite different.
your friends might not do it, but there are many other who do.
RickWhite
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I bet nearly everyone in this thread thinks the military ought to ban proselytizing your religious beliefs.
My attitude toward life in general is if you can't leave your personal crap at home stay there. As an employer, I don't want to hear anyone's crap. If you are in a bad mood, fix it before you punch in. If you are having other issues, you better not be thinking about them while on my clock - keep you mind focused on work or go home. And you are more than welcome to practice free speech at home, while at work you will say what I tell you to say and behave like I tell you to behave. If you have a problem with that - go home.
Quite Frankly, I can't imagine anyone trying to run a business any other way. All this touchy feely stuff is a load of crap and we are all worse for buying into it. And that is exactly how it should be in the military. Why would soldiers even thinking about their personal issues when they ought to be thinking about what they are told to think about.
Is the military for training killing machines or for listening to people's problems?
My attitude toward life in general is if you can't leave your personal crap at home stay there. As an employer, I don't want to hear anyone's crap. If you are in a bad mood, fix it before you punch in. If you are having other issues, you better not be thinking about them while on my clock - keep you mind focused on work or go home. And you are more than welcome to practice free speech at home, while at work you will say what I tell you to say and behave like I tell you to behave. If you have a problem with that - go home.
Quite Frankly, I can't imagine anyone trying to run a business any other way. All this touchy feely stuff is a load of crap and we are all worse for buying into it. And that is exactly how it should be in the military. Why would soldiers even thinking about their personal issues when they ought to be thinking about what they are told to think about.
Is the military for training killing machines or for listening to people's problems?
Leothwyn
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^^^ Exactly what I was saying. No need to flaunt personal issues to the point of distraction. If two friends want to talk about religious beliefs or the relationships that they left at home (straight or gay)... then, personally, I don't see why that should be a problem. But, like I said, I've never been in the military, so I'll leave that choice to them.
beardo
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send all the gays to the wars while i look after the women. maybe with enough gays and gays in the military the gay gene will vanish from the gene pool. i know by definition gays are soposed to be non breeders but after a few drinks maybe they forget their gay and end up passing on the gay genetics. gays in the military might increase the likely hood of the gays becoming extinct especially if their are major conflicts.
Katatawnic
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Dream on, Beardo. 
upnorth2505
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I shouldn't laugh, but that is funny.You meant this to be funny, right?
Well, I can speak from personal gay experience that yeah, it does happen. I remember getting skunk-assed drunk at a place called the Jug with a girl named Linda Lu. When in walked a man with a gun in his hand and he was lookin' for you know who.
I said wait a minute mister, I didn't even kiss her. Don't want no problems from you. He said that's my women there, and I a man that cares and this might be all for you.
Well, after we got rid of that redneck, me and Linda Lu did the Hoochi Koochi. I got a little man walking round some where that could call me dad, but I didn't want to pay child support.
beardo
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Are you saying your my Pa?? i allways wondered who you was...so i was thinking i love the smell of a woman it gets me going pheramones i guess its called so im wondering if gays are the same are farts an afrodesiac and if so is this what attracts gay men to highway rest stops and is that why the bathrooms are allways closed? i wouldnt want to be stuck in a tank with a gay soilder and have him all worked up on my man stink
jeff f
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have a promblem with this rick. say you have an employee that is tops in every way. she/he starts through a divorce through no apparent reason?
you could easily fire your most productive employee when if you would have taken a llittle time and understood where she/he were at, you could have saved themand helped them immensly in their life.
as a boss, you have an obligation to your company to keep someone who is loyal and on your team. most times if you spend a little time helping with their situation, you can return them to a great employee.
this isnt theory, its a system.
your system wastes lots of time training new personell. hiring and firing rather than on business. anyway, my 2 cents