I will re-post for clarity my reply posted subsequent to fatmans timed 02:08. I must have deleted it:
Wow, I thought you would catch the humor but I guess I caught you at a bad time,perhaps. If you are finished please answer my question: How is Fat Mikes Sensi A/B so inferior to Fatmans Awesome Grow formula , now dubbed the "FAG" formula? I mean technically? A scientist of your high esteem should be impartial and not go off on a fuckin drunkin', Lithium amplified rant. And please don't bring up the fact that you can mix it up for a fraction of the cost. Hell I could raise a cow and get 1000 gallons of milk from it but that would be a total pain in the ass. You see, I don't want to buy 50# bags of chem. As far as Mike raping the doper? Would you like to go into the amount of profit margins from the likes of Collins (GPS), Motorola (Radio), or Bell (Helos) Corp's selling their products to the military in the name of patriotism?? Makes Mike look like a frickin' Saint.
You post that Lucas sucks so you give Dyno thumbs up (sort of) yet you slam AN because it costs too much, but it is no more expensive than GH and AN has YOUR ratio's. WTF?? Name me a brand where I could walk into a hydro store to pick up, that is closest to your formula, and will work best for hydro in VEG . Would it be SENSI? You yourself said AN is finally getting it with the Sensi formula in another book you posted. Please tell me , I will go out and buy it now because I respect your opinion!! Fuck please read that again ok? If the bottle said nothing but "FAG FORMULA" on it in big red letters for all to see I'd still buy it, that's how much I respect you.
P.S I have also seen the world and am a crusty old fart as you but have a much different background so please try not to be too condescending.
Why do I read your edited post above now and it carries a somewhat different tone from the first time I read it? If you did not intend to be a wise ass I apologize.
Now waking up this morning I see that I did , maybe ,take Fatmans response wrong. For that I'm sorry. I will also apologize for the FAG statements.
However, bare in mind that Fatmans historical threads usually end up in flames so as I correspond, I'm like walking on egg shells and I have an extremely sensitive, defensive mindset coming in.
With that said: Fatman, please explain impartially, weighing all the variables you know, the best product to buy from an average Hydro store that a lazy (or too busy) MMJ/small grower can purchase for an INDOOR ,HYDRO, MJ, INERT MEDIUM,TEMP/HUMIDITY CONTROLLED, VEG grow that produces the best overall yield and takes the least amount of customization?
You see, you may be about to set a precedence here just as pH and LUCAS have with bloom. Is Dyna-Gro 9-3-6 better overall, even though its not totally designed for hydro, compared to Sensi 2-part ? Maybe GH 2-micro 1 bloom and tolerate the Cal issue? Is there yet another vendor that better fulfills the FATMAN formula? What base nute could we use and than supplement with another off-the-shelf product or products that would best be suited for your Sativa/ dominant indica or temperature tailored soup? Please post those soups by the way if you would.
Keep in mind that LUCAS is an admittedly compromising formula designed for simplicity and general success. LUCAS is here to stay for bloom but there still is that Holy Grail of a good VEG formula many need. Give us your verdict, we can take it and work from there, I'm sure many people have these same questions. If you would like I can summarize the pros and cons, based on your past observations , of each of the mentioned vendors formulas and than have you elaborate?
Right now, with all that I have read from you and UB, the closest off-the-shelf veg formula so far to me is AN Sensi. I weighed price, simplicity, availability and volume. Let's hash this out and get really productive here. Thanks