any law can be used to the advantage of the unscrupulous. is that a reason to abolish all laws? of course not. it is a reason to keep a tight rein on law enforcement and hold them accountable for their actions, but that is something that should be done anyway. just as laws should not be passed based on a worst case scenario, as is the case with a certain prohibition i think we are all familiar with, we shouldn't fail to enforce our laws simply because some redneck with a grudge may take advantage of the situation. the majority of the bullshit that the media has brought up around this bill has to do with just such worst case scenarios.
The problem is this bill will be ineffective. And we all know it, just like trying to stop drugs by making them illegal doesn't work, telling desperate people that they cannot move a few miles away because it is illegal will not work either. And this really just costs us more money, everyone cries about illegals using hospitals, guess what it costs to incarcerate them for a few months until they get deported. Not to mention legal fees that nobody is there to pay for except us tax payers.
with an admitted unemployment rate of around ten percent and an actual rate far higher, how can you make such a claim with a straight face?
Very easily. Yeah right now UE is huge, but that is just unrealized potential. You are telling me that you cannot see how having millions of hard workers can be helpful for a country? It hurts right now because we have too many of our own citizens that are uneducated and cannot get into a career that there is a huge need for. But to say that those jobs are not there is false, we have jobs it is just we are too stupid as a nation to fill them.
every nation on earth understands the necessity of employing its own people before concerning itself with the welfare of its neighbors, why is it this country should support the poor from other countries before taking care of its own? you may believe in aiding those less fortunate to the south and are free to do what you can for their sake, but our sovereignty demands that the state place the welfare of its citizens ahead of the desires of foreign nationals to achieve the standard of living we have come to expect here. each job taken by an illegal immigrant is a job that could be used to start one of the denizens of the welfare state on the road to self-sufficiency. each dollar that is sent over the border by someone who is flaunting our laws by even being here is a dollar that could be reinforcing our flagging economic fortunes, if earned and spent by an american citizen. our own people deserve first crack at the opportunities that even the lowliest of employment offers. allowing opportunity to be stripped from a people is just another path to slavery.
Welfare is not in itself a bad thing, and actually is very useful in times like today. We need the unemployed people to not just sit on their asses, but to take advantage of the system we have in place and get into a college program and build up some specialized skills. Allowing people to piss and moan like this is somehow illegal immigrants faults is ridiculous. You want people to get off of welfare, talk them into getting a skill, and not thinking that they are going to be able to keep a job that anyone in the 9th grade can do.
And another thing you miss is that every dollar sent by an immigrant represents about several dollars saved by american people purchasing those services. Or do you somehow think that if I spend $5 for a $2 candy bar help the economy?
you may believe that national boundaries are artificial and unnecessary, but the role they play in decreasing friction between differing societies is vital. we are not all one people throughout the world. we are differing cultures with needs and goals specific to each region. beyond the necessities of survival, our histories have brought changes to the mindsets of the people in various regions and these mindsets do not easily coexist. demanding that these differing mindsets be forced to mingle against their will leads to destructive schisms within communities and the eventual outbreak of festering hostilities. the unilateral lowering of those artificial barriers can lead only to the destruction of what it has taken over two hundred years to build.
There has never been a wall that held back migration, and there will never be one. Trying to coddle people because they want it to be american only and the brown people scare them is never going to happen, because they are the natural people of that area, it is not white people, it is mexicans and indians that are basically mexicans in that region. And demanding that people mingle against their will is sometimes what needs to be done, just ask the people that were not able to go to white schools.
Also think about the fact that you are basically saying that mexicans-americans and mexicans are somehow different people.
all you ask for demands that the state control an even larger portion of what should be a free market. increased taxation of business with the demand that that cost not be passed on to the consumer gives government further control over even the smallest of businesses. socializing health care insurance destroys an entire segment of our industry and places it in the hands of our unresponsive representatives. an increase in "sin taxes" provides our ever growing bureaucracy with even further incentives to expand and restrict what is allowable within our society. what you propose is the big government solution to problems that big government has created, an illogical solution at best.
You cannot stop businesses from passing the tax to customers, and I never said that.
And where do you get that having employers pay for the health insurance would destroy anything? First they already do this, second they would be purchasing insurance they want to get to their employees (again like we already do), and who are these unresponsive representitives? Seriously I have not clue what you mean by that.
And we already have 'sin taxes', there are special taxes on booze, and cigs, ect. The idea behind having taxes is to pay for the things that they hurt. Like gas tax and how it pays for road work, or booze taxes and the portions that go to rehab costs. The other side is to say screw it and the people that are affected by the products they purchase cheaply because there is no imposed costs for the things that they bring have to come to us and use our taxes to pay for their rehab.
This is the problem with the 'big government' paranoia is that it fuzzies the logic, because any change is bad, even if it allows for a removing of several other problem programs that are obsolete if a couple changes are made. Thinking that somehow banning illegal immigrants is going to stop them is cute, but impractical. There needs to be more systematic changes and improving of the things we need as american citizens. Because like it or not, as an american until you get old (or are a child), there is very little benefit you get from being a citizen if you are committed to be uneducated and rely on just working hard for a future.
