advanced nutrients vs. fox farm

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hectorius

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i agree with the fact that alot of companies overcharge for gimmicks and marketing but they all do it, some more then others to gain market share. Take a look at advanced over drive its exactly their bloom with 1 more nitrogen and absorbic acid, do you guys know what absorbic acid is? its vitamin c lol
so alot of u trash this company or another one and in the end they are all playing the same game. i have my own formula, i could market it make it and guarantee 2 ps a light with proper environmental factors but i dont have the cash flow, maybe one day. regardless most of their products are good, some better then others like the 1 2 3 advanced chelated products they use in all of their formulas. for beginners its extremely over whealming because u got all these people that dont know shit about growing. i dont like advanced nutrient calculator dont follow it it just burns the shit out of everything,if you dont have big plants.if ur going to growhere is a base formula for everyone who is starting out. ph 6.4 and 800 ppm now this will work with every single strain, now to become a master you need to experiment with npk ratios and make sure u dont go over the 800 ppm until u really know what ur doing. if you do this 800 ppm with any company ull get a pound a light if you veg long enough and bloom properly with proper environment. Just remember that there is no sweeter harvest then the one you have manipulated with years of work and dedication and proper record keeping to analyze ur work. if you think there is a product out there that will give you 2 pounds a light by mixing the exact amount per liter good fucking luck it would bank rupt the industry every fucking 16 year old kid would be rolling around with 4 pounds in the trunk. same goes for strains, very few breeders give out their shit, and it takes like 100 seeds to get a phenom that is above the rest, invest in this guys get urself a phenom and work on ur own formula making subtle changes and writing shit down, and whenu achive it and you go on the forums and c the guys asking how to pull of 2 to 3 ps per light u can cut and copy this post cause there is no fucking ways omeone should just be given a 10 year of labour formula and strain just so people think ur good at what u do
 
nizmo

nizmo

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Uncle Ben said:
The best approach is to find out the NPK and micro values/ratio. If you don't know that, you'll never become a master gardener.

If you really analyze the "cannabis specific" foods, you'll realize that most of them are crap, designed to empty the pockets of primarily noobs or the unsophisticated grower, their primary targets.

UB
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How do we find out what the best ratios are?
 
doc111

doc111

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nizmo said:
How do we find out what the best ratios are?
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I don't think there is such a thing as the "best ratio" as evidenced by the hundreds of MJ specific fertilizers on the market. No 2 are the same. Like northeastern lights said........."experiment"!:weed:
 
Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

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So you like "Big Bud" eh. Advanced Shysters is caught cheating on their analysis and found in violation of Truth in Reporting, what I've been saying for years. Honest vendors like Dyna-Gro can be trusted to post accurate analysis. You boobs keep on supporting snake oil salesmen and see where it gets you (besides an empty pocketbook and a garden full of crap). ;)

Check it out:
http://www.oregon.gov/ODA/PEST/docs/pdf/lab_2009_0630.pdf
 
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hectorius

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uncle ben pointing out one or two articles on shit like that, advanced is a new company perhaps they are shisty in the way that tey dont want all the other companies know what the hell is really in their shit. i know for a fact their products work well and even better then any of the other companies ive tried, except you really have to experiment on the ratios of how much bloom micro veg to use. i know for a fact that if you use 1 to 1 to 1 ull get a pound at 800 ppm from advanced running a 1000 w light 3 weeks vegd clones and 16 3 gallon pots now there is also another ratio that gives out double. uncle ben ur hating too much ive got more experience then just about anyone on here including you ust cause u got a qp tree on ur avatar doesnt mean u can go and say advanced is shit thats fucking ridicoulous, makes you look ignorant. just dont trust advanced nutrient calculator or their npk ratios too much other then their micro, as for voodoo juice , use home and garden root excel and some hygrozyme instead of sensizyme. b52 is good their 1 2 3 base line is good their big bud powder is good i really like tehir new juicy roots cloning gel, but thats as i far as i go with advanced their 1 2 3 is as cheap as the other guys but in my books works better,with every strain. gimmicks like kushy kush and all that shit should be taken with a grain of salt but their sensi grow and bloom are really good for beginners i use the 1 2 3 cause i can get the desired ratios i want only by using 1 2 3 , ive gotten close with the 2 part connaseur just too rich for the soil requires alot of leaching.
 
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hectorius

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also my 3 week veg is very advanced using aeroponics as i can reach desired height and size with very precise foliar spraying, in soil that would take me 5 weeks. bloom pro mix .
 
jberry

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hectorius said:
uncle ben pointing out one or two articles on shit like that, advanced is a new company perhaps they are shisty in the way that tey dont want all the other companies know what the hell is really in their shit. i know for a fact their products work well and even better then any of the other companies ive tried, except you really have to experiment on the ratios of how much bloom micro veg to use. i know for a fact that if you use 1 to 1 to 1 ull get a pound at 800 ppm from advanced running a 1000 w light 3 weeks vegd clones and 16 3 gallon pots now there is also another ratio that gives out double. uncle ben ur hating too much ive got more experience then just about anyone on here including you ust cause u got a qp tree on ur avatar doesnt mean u can go and say advanced is shit thats fucking ridicoulous, makes you look ignorant. just dont trust advanced nutrient calculator or their npk ratios too much other then their micro, as for voodoo juice , use home and garden root excel and some hygrozyme instead of sensizyme. b52 is good their 1 2 3 base line is good their big bud powder is good i really like tehir new juicy roots cloning gel, but thats as i far as i go with advanced their 1 2 3 is as cheap as the other guys but in my books works better,with every strain. gimmicks like kushy kush and all that shit should be taken with a grain of salt but their sensi grow and bloom are really good for beginners i use the 1 2 3 cause i can get the desired ratios i want only by using 1 2 3 , ive gotten close with the 2 part connaseur just too rich for the soil requires alot of leaching.
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It wasn't a article based on opinions... It is the results from laboratory analysis done by a department of agriculture. Advanced Nutrients is putting ingredients and percentages on the label of their Big Bud that arent actually in the product in the amounts they listed on the label... It would seem like everyone could agree that lying about the ingredients in a product it is unfair and concerning to say the least. I'm guessing that if Big Bud has false advertising on the label, then A.N.'s other specialty fertilizers that didn't get tested are also likely being deceptive.

Most experienced informed growers know that A.N. is overpriced and nothing special at all.... The experienced growers that do use them are likely getting them for free or extreme discounts.
I'm not saying their nutes don't work, I'm just saying their is nothing special about them except for they cost twice the price... They claim to be different and better because they add things like Amino Acids but it turns out that they aren't even adding the Amino's that they are listing on their labels. They use loop holes in the laws to deceive their customers and it's good to see them being exposed for what they are.

And FYI, Advanced Nutrients is not a new company and Roots Excelurator is made by House & Garden not Home & Garden.
 
theloadeddragon

theloadeddragon

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jberry said:
It wasn't a article based on opinions... It is the results from laboratory analysis done by a department of agriculture. Advanced Nutrients is putting ingredients and percentages on the label of their Big Bud that arent actually in the product in the amounts they listed on the label... It would seem like everyone could agree that lying about the ingredients in a product it is unfair and concerning to say the least. I'm guessing that if Big Bud has false advertising on the label, then A.N.'s other specialty fertilizers that didn't get tested are also likely being deceptive.

Most experienced informed growers know that A.N. is overpriced and nothing special at all.... The experienced growers that do use them are likely getting them for free or extreme discounts.
I'm not saying their nutes don't work, I'm just saying their is nothing special about them except for they cost twice the price... They claim to be different and better because they add things like Amino Acids but it turns out that they aren't even adding the Amino's that they are listing on their labels. They use loop holes in the laws to deceive their customers and it's good to see them being exposed for what they are.

And FYI, Advanced Nutrients is not a new company and Roots Excelurator is made by House & Garden not Home & Garden.
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Glad to see your still around Jberry, :)

I agree with you completely, :)
 
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hectorius

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first off their base line grow micro bloom is cheaper then gh . second it works better if you know what your doing. third i wouldnt want to tell everyone my ingredients so they can copy them as long as the customer is happy wtf is the difference?4rth their nute calculator is borderline toxic but thats well know 5th i know guys doing 3 a light with advanced and i have tried sooo many so fucking many imports local ferts everything i could order or buy at the store and to this date the top ferts are as follows 1) advanced, dont buy all their shit just the base line and experiment with ratios, b 52 is good and so is big bud 2) supernatural expensive shit but auto ph and awesome results 3)dutch master 4) gh 5)bcuzz 6)canna more expensive then advanced 7)house and garden 8)pure blend 9)fox farm 10)earth juice shit pretty good organic ferts i use advance supernatural bcuzz pure blend and hygrozyme
 
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hectorius

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everyone shits on advanced and big mike sounds like an used car sales rep and yes root excel is better then voodo juice and its not wet betty and yes overdrive is bloom with vitamin c and some nitrogen and yes kushi kush is an ok fert engeniereed for pk but i cant get better results with any other company with their base line nutes like im saying newbs try the base line experiment and add additives and write shit down.
 
hugetom80s

hugetom80s

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I would agree that lying about what's in a bottle is suspicious, but no more so than a report that says Advanced Nutrients is in Kentucky instead of BC Canada.

I'm 100% certain that AN is Canadian. Which makes me considerably less than 100% sure that the report is right.


Really I don't care all that much about what the label says, the nutes either work or they don't and I've seen AN work. That's why I buy it, not the words or pictures on the label.
 
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hectorius

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im 20 mins away from their plant lol jajajja van bc so many people bullshit and tell others lies well keep being scrubs then. Btw advanced released their new line of ppm ph auto adjusting nutrient line and they have changed their ratios on their grow micro bloom wich means my formula is out the fucking door but i can get close with their new ratios well c what happens, maybe it will be for te best.
 
hugetom80s

hugetom80s

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True, I'm a little anxious about the idea of having to dial in my grow again. Supposedly the new line isn't supposed to need much, or maybe any fiddling. So we might be worrying over nothing.

Whatever the case, I'm gonna give it a whirl as soon as I can get some, see if it is as good as they say. I hope it is.
 
Uncle Ben

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hectorius said:
i agree with the fact that alot of companies overcharge for gimmicks and marketing but they all do it, some more then others to gain market share
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No they don't, at least not the ones I buy from. If you need gimmicks, half naked chicks on the entry page to a website, colorful artsy labels and silly product names that only appeal to naive children, then something is deficient with your product. Same goes for needing any more than one, perhaps two at the most, products. Again, if you can't support vegging or flowering (whichever the case may be) with one complete product, then you're a ripoff artist, a shyster out to manipulate the mindset and psyche of your target group which for the most part are only those that don't know what makes a plant tick.

UB
 
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