I didn't need another website to tell me that there were problems with Dr. Moore's assessment. I posted it merely as one example of how it isn't convincing to many.
Have you heard of apophenia? People tend to find patterns and links in things were there are none all of the time. The bottom line is that the Qu'ran is not accurate wrt embyology and many things have to be made to fit in order to see those connections. Don't tell me that anything written about development was impossible to know without divine guidance. Do you really think pregnant animals and even woman weren't examined after they died? If Allah wanted to be accurate, he wouldn't have completely ignored the woman's ova. He would have been correct about where semen comes from. He wouldn't have any errors in the number of days for different stages.
I think people tend to underestimate the knowledge man had in the 5th century and even earlier. Some people don't even realize that Eratosthenes measured the circumference of the earth in the 3rd century BC ! In a time when man already had domesticated animals and applied selective breeding for over 1000 years, it sounds unreasonable to think that they didn't already know something about fetal development. Dr. Moore may be highly intelligent but he certainly didn't wear his scientific skeptical hat when he said those things. The best part is how he takes chewing gum and forms it into the shape resembling an embryo. Seriously?
And your example was based on NOTHING FACTUAL. It was mearly backed up by imagination.
The bottom line is that the Qu'ran is
not accurate wrt embyology and many things have to be made to fit in order to see those connections. Don't tell me that anything written about development was impossible to know without divine guidance. Do you really think pregnant animals and even woman weren't examined after they died? If Allah wanted to be accurate, he wouldn't have completely ignored the woman's ova.
He would have been correct about where semen comes from. He wouldn't have
any errors in the number of days for different stages.
I think people tend to underestimate the knowledge man had in the 5th century and even earlier.
Can you bring those none accurate things you speak about and post them, but before you do make sure to look for that other side of the coin first don’t tell me what is there and isn’t there, tell me what is ERROR.
Second of all “If there is a God” I don’t think he would wait for you to tell him what to include and what not to include lol, if your level of wisdom and knowledge was at a point high enough to have a say on that I would be dancing in the rain with you right now.
In my view, you have to understand that If God was to give humanity all the information about everything, there would be no purpose to life because thats like going into an exam with the test sheet already answered? Would there be a point?No.
That’s why a quest for knowledge and truth is always needed to get to conclusions, and we always try and find any contradictions or try and disprove certain things mentioned init but instead it’s the opposite.
Im confused now, some of you say that they were retards in that age, and some say they were not, can you make your minds up. You only have to go back a few pages and see the replys.
Are you going to answer this?
Iv already answered this for you, but it seems like your rushing with your reading that your not taking in anything im saying.
You are asking me if I'm "like ten years old, or something?"
I admitted it was the finest work throughout history?
You do know what a prepositional phrase is, yes?...maybe not, moving along.
Every pertinent fact muhammad learned was via the Jews. The Jews refused to tolerate the psychopath. It is no big surprise that he should feel the need to change that God's covenant had been made with Ishamel, rather than Isaac, as he he claims to be a direct descendant of Ishamel.
Qouting you here "
since you and I both know that you know ABSOLUTELY POSITIVITY NOTHING about this subject."
You know me Dick?
Be honest...did you become a convert via the jail system?...such a shame, really is.
You would be so much better off an atheist.
I don't come to RIU to debate islam, or Christianity, for that matter.
I spent an awful lot of time studying your "religion." In fact, I think more Americans
should expend the energy to do so.
I only glanced over your recent posts. I recall your saying something to the effect that the government is imposing false web sites about islam. LMAO and
...pathetic.
I got my quran FREE from the terrorist organization CAIR. It's all there in black and white. Yes, you CAN google the plagiarism.
The examples are endless.
"
No eye has seen,
no ear has heard,
no mind has conceived
what
God has prepared for those who love him." (1 Corinthians 2:9)
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, "
ALLAH SAID, ‘
I have prepared for My righteous slaves (such excellent things)
as no eye has ever seen, nor an ear has ever heard nor a human heart can ever think of.’"
(
Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 93, Number 589)
Your "prophet" ---ever wonder why a muslim MUST follow it with PBUH (peace be upon him)---WHY would a man, holier than thou, need millions of followers to follow his name each and every time with hopes of peace in the hearafter? Could it be he is rotting in one of the many levels of hell islam describes? Is it making the flesh that is now burning from his bones less painful with each "pbuh?"
How can I sit here and engage in foolish dialogue with you? According to your prophet, satan is a booger in the nose. With that "science".....all the world has to do is blow their nose and peace will be at last.
It is a beautiful day....the sun is shining, the birds are chirping. I should sit here and argue religion with a muslim? .....been there done that....futile.
I'll let you know if I feel the need to chime in though.
maybe the next rainy day?.....naaa, those are reserved for naps.
P.S. I'm already familiar with the hadith argument. :::yawn::: Save it.
LOOOL, you know what, you’re a funny guy.
“You know me Dick?
Be honest...did you become a convert via the jail system?{ Seriously if your intelligence is limited to statements like that I feel very sad for you.}...such a shame, really is.”
“You would be so much better off an atheist.{maybe I was before? Did your 3 brain cells try and calculate that or did they fall short of capacity?}”
“I don't come to RIU to debate islam, or Christianity, for that matter.
I spent an awful lot of time studying your "religion." In fact, I think more Americans should expend the energy to do so”
Actually funny enough this conversation was really and truly between me and
frawfraw and it stemmed from another debate, but somehow people started popping up without knowing what was going on and throwing insults and copy pasting and that how we got into depth about it.
You Sir are a LIER.{excuse me}, lol you say AWFUL LOT OF TIME,
Anyone with an ounce of knowledge about Islam would be able to conceive that that verse you presented
Does Not hold any weight.
AND ANYONE WHO CLAIMS TO HAVE SPENT AN
AWFUL LOT OF TIME STUDYING MY RELIGION, should know where that VERSE was stolen from originally.
Paul is actually quoting from the Old Testaments book of Isaiah, chapter {64-4}:
For since the beginning of the world men have not heard,
nor perceived by the ear, neither hath the eye seen, O God, beside thee, what he hath prepared for him that waiteth for him.
{Ooohh whats that? You didn’t know this?}
Prophet Isaiah{pbuh} is the source for these words. Muslims believe in the parts of the Bible that agrees with Islam, and this verse agrees with Islam, that no eye has perceived how heaven is, only Allah{swt} himself knows how it really is, no matter what anyone says.
For abundance of details on that and others and since you said “
In fact, I think more Americans should expend the energy to do so”
then here you go Mr. iv been expanding my energy :
www.islamic-awareness.org this will go into great details about your so called Plagiarism.
“I only glanced over your recent posts. I recall your saying something to the effect that the government is imposing false web sites about islam.”
Lol that just says it all about your ignorance. I can provide you with LOADS of sites including
US university sites that have FAKE Hadiths, FAKE Qurans and fake Fatwas, which have been exposed on what your laughing about. But you know what, I wont because you’re a liar and you don’t deserve any information, and you have clearly displayed that your not looking for a civilized debate or even an interest in any sort of knowledge.
So I wont even respond to any posts after this.
Your "prophet" ---ever wonder why a muslim MUST follow it with PBUH (peace be upon him)---WHY would a man, holier than thou, need millions of followers to follow his name each and every time with hopes of peace in the hearafter? Could it be he is rotting in one of the many levels of hell islam describes? Is it making the flesh that is now burning from his bones less painful with each "pbuh?"
This is the 3rd count of ignorance you have provided and a further stronger proof of you being a LIER.
If you have not noticed through your extensive research about My Religion, then one of the first and foremost things anyone would learn is that {PBUH} is followed by the mention of ANY prophet etc… as a sign of
respect especially towards god{im not sure liars are familiar with respect}.
In the wholeeeeeeeeee Quran the prophet Muhammad{pbuh} is mentioned around 4 times by name. While Jesus{pbuh} is mentioned more than 20x by name, and Mary{mgbpwh} the mother of Jesus{pbuh} has her OWN CHAPTER NAMED AFTER HER.
If you don’t see anything unusual here then u need to go and have a mental check up.
How can I sit here and engage in foolish dialogue with you? According to your prophet, satan is a booger in the nose. With that "science".....all the world has to do is blow their nose and peace will be at last.
lol I know your pretty arrogant and foolish that I was thinking the same thing.
First of all where did you make the Scientific assumption from?
Again you have no clue what you are talking about, go and study Arabic and eastern metaphors and similes before you go any further with your silliness. If you have nothing in hand to produce but to take a sentence and fantasize about it then I think you still need that check up.
It is a beautiful day....the sun is shining, the birds are chirping. I should sit here and argue religion with a muslim? .....been there done that....futile.
Futile?, that’s why you have resorted to all these retarded CLAIMS, thinking you have caught me out. Lol.
I'll let you know if I feel the need to chime in though. maybe the next rainy day?.....naaa, those are reserved for naps.
P.S. I'm already familiar with the hadith argument. :::yawn::: Save it.
P.S. I think your more familiar with what gel women use to shave their legs than anything close to knowing a hadith.
This would have been sooooo much more enjoyable for me if it was a face to face thing as I would have crushed your lying instantly by exposing your arrogance about a subject you CLAIM to be knowledgeable in.
The MOST IMPORTANT POINT WAS, that we were talking about the Quran,
NOT AHADEETH. with your extensive knowledge i might have thought you would understand the difference between the 2 which equates from where your sitting to the furthest point in space known to man.
I wont waist time on you anymore so don’t bother in replying.
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