FFOF Vs Roots Organic Soil~Pictures=Proof

Stoneshield said:
i will just say that RO soil waters way easier. FFOF soil the water just sits on top for a min, waiting to soak in. ive planted veggie garden greens in both and lets just say all of the RO soil ones looked way better way faster than the Fox Farms. after i finish my last 2 bags of FF i really dont thing i will be buying it again......... although one AWSOME thing i have to say is that ever since FF changed thier recipie 8 months ago or so ive always gotten preditor mites (hypoapis miles) in my FF soil......... cant argue with that... goodtimez
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When water runs fast through soil you no doubt have water ways in your soil. That means the water runs fast and same course missing many roots/areas. You should water twice to alleviate that.
 
timeismoney1 said:
cant we just leave it at there both equally good.

im sticking with foxfarm ;) but if people like using RO then let them. there both good...
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I have no problems with others preferring RO over whatever? But I do have a problem with Local hydro shop pushing RO over FFOF saying FFOF will burn plants etc. FFOF as always out shined RO soil. I did this simple comparison just because the local shop kept on me about how good RO was. After 3 years I ( I tried RO 3 years ago) I was givin a few bags of RO and asked to compare. In this thread you will see my comparison, and I can honestly say that RO is not as good as FFOF.
Also FFOF never killed my a seedling where as the RO has killed 3.
 
The final plant should be dry tonight. I will post all final dry weights, etc (sum it up) tonight.

Thank you everyone for your input and 2 cents. :joint:
 
GoldenGanja13 said:
StoneShield~ The Local RO pushers in Eugene, Or. have a few side by sides of RO/FFOF and they use veges to show. It does look as RO does better, but I suspect foul plat and nutes givin to just RO soil veges, maybe I am wrong and RO is great for vegies.
But when it comes to Cannabis the FFOF is leading the way in more seedlings growing up fast, (RO killed 3 seedlings of mine) ...
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This here shows a lack of experience. I would never put a seedling or new clone directly in either of these hot soil mixes. You are slowing any seedling down by doing that and possibly killing it. All that tells me is that the RO may be hotter. I would start with seedling starter soil and work the mix slowly to a higher percentage to find how that particular soil worked. Plopping a load of babies in the full strength soil is far from standard.
 
GoldenGanja13 said:
I'm a simple grower who can handle 2 soils and 2 strains and grow them the same. Only difference is plants growth and final outcome. Scientific~ No. Personal comparison and sharing what my findings~ Yes.
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Fair enough, but you seem very sure of your judgment. I would say that if you took the time to figure out how the soil worked you may eventually like it better...you just don't have enough info to make the call in my honest opinion.

You can disagree, I have said plenty.
 
JAck the BEanStaLK ~ Yes you have said enough for all to hear your inexperience. FFOF nor RO is a hot medium. The veg grow alone is enough to give a experienced grower a "Hmmm" when thinking about Nitrogen content in both soils. RO is low in nitrogen when compared to FFOF.

ROFLAO ~~>
jack the beanstalk said:
This here shows a lack of experience. I would never put a seedling or new clone directly in either of these hot soil mixes. You are slowing any seedling down by doing that and possibly killing it. All that tells me is that the RO may be hotter..
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Why then would the veg period in RO be crazy slow compared to FFOF ?? If it's high in N. then it should of surpassed FFOF. RO always says there soil is safe for seedlings and it will not burn your seedlings but FFOF will. Well I have proven that wrong over many years as I always drop my seeds in FFOF soil.
 
jack the beanstalk said:
Fair enough, but you seem very sure of your judgment. I would say that if you took the time to figure out how the soil worked you may eventually like it better...you just don't have enough info to make the call in my honest opinion.

You can disagree, I have said plenty.
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Test my findings if you think I am bias. I am sure of my findings being I am in control of the grow. I treated all plants the same, it just happens the RO killed seedlings and had a very slow veg period, oh and less trichs and final weight.
 
GoldenGanja13 said:
Test my findings if you think I am bias. I am sure of my findings being I am in control of the grow. I treated all plants the same, it just happens the RO killed seedlings and had a very slow veg period, oh and less trichs and final weight.
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I have to agree with you Golden Ganja. When talking with the guy at the grow store he said it is very neutral in PH and a hyrdo medium correct? It is not soil right? Therefore I dont understand the HOT statement on part of Jack the Beanstalk. They must get paid a huge commision or something for selling the stuff and want to keep good word of mouth so all the grow store owners always say how great it is. I have a company that pays me almost 2x commision to the next and it is hard not to give them better ratings and things because I personally have better ratings not to say they are better for my customer. If you have a side by side and are feeding and the results turn out worse than what else can you say.

Honestly, Jack the Beanstalk how many grows and different nute options would you like Golden to try out prior to making a judgement on results. How much time should he put into trying to make the RO a better option? Proofs in the pudding. I understand if you want to continue on RO but have you even tried FFOF? Your telling me your results were better with Cannabis? If so what nutes do you recommend? How much water in comparison are you using to what you have to use with soil? My understanding is it is close to 2x the amount of water which means 2x the amount of nutes. Sounds like a lot of negatives to me. Nutes ph up and down and water is money.
 
jack the beanstalk said:
As usual, completely misunderstood. Just never mind.
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I'm interested though have you had better results and what nutes and such? What did you mean by hot? My understanding was RO has almost nothing beneficial in it besides compost or something. I am a little confused why you are stuck on RO? Also what about 2x the water and nutes. Why are they more beneficial? I use nothing but organic nutes but I would swear by FFOF only becuase I have been getting on average more than 3 ounces per plant under a 400 watt bulb and my understanding is it does not get much better. based on what I see from others getting less than 1 ounce sometimes. Tell me why I should use RO if I would have to restart everything and learn everything new with less than what I have been getting results wise?
 
B DUB said:
I have to agree with you Golden Ganja. When talking with the guy at the grow store he said it is very neutral in PH and a hyrdo medium correct? It is not soil right? Therefore I dont understand the HOT statement on part of Jack the Beanstalk. They must get paid a huge commision or something for selling the stuff and want to keep good word of mouth so all the grow store owners always say how great it is. I have a company that pays me almost 2x commision to the next and it is hard not to give them better ratings and things because I personally have better ratings not to say they are better for my customer. If you have a side by side and are feeding and the results turn out worse than what else can you say.
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Roots Organic is based out of Eugene Oregon. My local Hydro shop is in the middle of Eugene, Or. So yeah they get some kick back for RO. I care not for the stuff. Full of sticks. Sticks are not good unless you are TLO.

Some people on this thread expect scientific studies and grows. Why? I mean I am just a Stoner who grows like a pro in FFOF. When I was using all FF line up I was getting 4-7 oz per plant, 4 plants under 1 600 hps .
I would of never started this thread except after 3 years of locals pushing RO and saying it will not burn seedlings like FFOF will, well they pushed me into a grow off and RO has lost.
I need to get that last one weighed real quick and finish this thread tonight.
 
OK here is the comparison in a nut shell~
Roots Organic ~ 3 seedlings dead.
Roots Organic ~ Red Dwarf ~ Long veg with slow growth, buds where not airy but not tight , nor where there visible trichs. Little smell. Final weight 29.7 grams
FFOF ~ Red Dwarf ~ Fast growth from seedling to harvest ( 1 week sooner than RO) Buds where semi dense, smell was fair, trichs where fair final weight 42.5 grams
Roots Organic ~ Double Diesel ~ Slow growth from seedling to harvest (1 week longer than DD in FFOF) Buds where semi dense, trichs semi fair (once dried) smell is non. Final weight 44.3 grams
FFOF ~Double diesel ~ Fast from seedling to harvest, Buds really dense, lots of trichs from early flower, smell is strong (I turned heads in Safeway lol) final weight 42.5 grams

I can tell you what both strains in FFOF taste like "Yummy" As for the two strains in RO, well the buds do not look so appealing so I choose not to smoke test them.
Look back at the pictures as the grow cruised along for reference.
 
GoldenGanja13 said:
OK here is the comparison in a nut shell~
Roots Organic ~ 3 seedlings dead.
Roots Organic ~ Red Dwarf ~ Long veg with slow growth, buds where not airy but not tight , nor where there visible trichs. Little smell. Final weight 29.7 grams
FFOF ~ Red Dwarf ~ Fast growth from seedling to harvest ( 1 week sooner than RO) Buds where semi dense, smell was fair, trichs where fair final weight 42.5 grams
Roots Organic ~ Double Diesel ~ Slow growth from seedling to harvest (1 week longer than DD in FFOF) Buds where semi dense, trichs semi fair (once dried) smell is non. Final weight 44.3 grams
FFOF ~Double diesel ~ Fast from seedling to harvest, Buds really dense, lots of trichs from early flower, smell is strong (I turned heads in Safeway lol) final weight 42.5 grams

I can tell you what both strains in FFOF taste like "Yummy" As for the two strains in RO, well the buds do not look so appealing so I choose not to smoke test them.
Look back at the pictures as the grow cruised along for reference.
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Are both of these automatic strains? Seems like a somewhat low yield for you.
 
Yeah they are auto's. There is no way I would use RO with an award winning strain. Also I just set up a new tent x2 so I needed to get everything dialed in. So I started the Auto's and my SLH,Rock Lock,The church,and LA Con all at the same time. The auto where my testers on soil then smell in new tent set up before the big guns went in.
 
The Double Diesel (ffof) is a great auto. First time I ever grew any and I liked it. I plan on making a tincture out of them. I have a friend who loves the Red dwarf (ffof) and no one know's there auto's. I just tell them I have some mids, being everyone knows I represent high grade everytime.
 
B DUB said:
I'm interested though have you had better results and what nutes and such? What did you mean by hot? My understanding was RO has almost nothing beneficial in it besides compost or something. I am a little confused why you are stuck on RO? Also what about 2x the water and nutes. Why are they more beneficial? I use nothing but organic nutes but I would swear by FFOF only becuase I have been getting on average more than 3 ounces per plant under a 400 watt bulb and my understanding is it does not get much better. based on what I see from others getting less than 1 ounce sometimes. Tell me why I should use RO if I would have to restart everything and learn everything new with less than what I have been getting results wise?
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I never said I even liked RO soil. I use FFOF myself. This is really funny. Please read my first post in this thread and try to comprehend what I am actually saying.

If you have everything working just right in FFOF and you try to do a shoot out with a soil you have never worked with before assuming that all things will be equal the test is not fair. If you were however to grow a batch of clones with soil and water only and work up from there in succesive grows learning the differences between the raw soil product you would know more. That is all I am saying. I am not pushing anything besides thought here. You can attempt to read anything else you wish into my posts.
 
You should back up and read my first post before spouting off like that Jack. First off I tried RO 3 years ago. Secondly why would anyone want to waste there time trying to figure out a soil? It's not a science it's a medium.
jack the beanstalk said:
I never said I even liked RO soil. I use FFOF myself. This is really funny. Please read my first post in this thread and try to comprehend what I am actually saying.

If you have everything working just right in FFOF and you try to do a shoot out with a soil you have never worked with before assuming that all things will be equal the test is not fair. If you were however to grow a batch of clones with soil and water only and work up from there in succesive grows learning the differences between the raw soil product you would know more. That is all I am saying. I am not pushing anything besides thought here. You can attempt to read anything else you wish into my posts.
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