Monster Cropping Increasing Yield

Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

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Can we please change the semantics from "monster cropping" to "Limited Dwarf Bud Production" for the sake of accuracy?
 
rzza

rzza

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i only did this style of cloning because i started a crop and after switching to 12/12 and showing sex i knew who i could clone. that said im extremely happy, the buds are HUGE compared to last time round and the yield appears to be double so fasr and im only like 37 days in. if youd like i can show you pics of last round (from seed) and this round (monster clones) and you can see that in my experience the yield has increased alot.

now i should tell you everything ....i also added some hps and im doing desertrats sugar/yeast co2 for the second round so perhaps you can/will contribute most of my added weight to the new light/co2, im not sure....
 
doobs420

doobs420

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transplanting 6 into 5 gallon buckets tonight....the nodes seem to be stunted all except for the top ...have u noticed this ? until when ?
 
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buraka415

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OK question. I have plants in the 28th day of flower, indoor. I realize this method of 'monster cropping' will take the cutting awhile to get back to the veg-state and start showing growth- 3 -4 wks? I would like to use this method to get a few mothers going. Will the clones from them wind up growing like this? or this is just a 1-generation effect, so to speak? does that make sense? IOW, is this effect only manifested after re-veging a cutting after having been taken during flowering?

can i do this in the 28th day of flower? I could put these straight into soil or coco? or would I need to definitely rockwool them? under floros initially I suppose and/or domed?

i've read so many threads today, sorry if ive missed something.
 
Weedoozie

Weedoozie

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riddleme said:
anybody that reads and follows UB's threads would already know the answer,,,,,

it's called Apical Dominance and it is how the plant "divides" its energy, simply put more branches = smaller colas (buds)

here is the research,
http://algorithmicbotany.org/FSPM07/Individual/10.pdf
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Thanks Riddleme, much appreciated. This seems like it would work well for a new grower who may have screwed up the mother plant that grew the branch cloned to make this new more-branched-yet-smaller-buds plant. This is my opinion and I'm speaking from my personal experience. I'm about to harvest my first grow and one of the harvesting indoor females was a mother of a clone I took from her after she had showed her sex. Once putting the clone back into reveg outdoors, it began to grow as the OP pictures showed. Now I am no expert but I continue to educate myself and I know that I caused an N deficiency in my mother of the clone later on in flowering. I've learned from this mistake and am working to correct it in the clone I took. This is how I see the "Monster Cropping" or "Limited Dwarf Bud Production" (whatever you wish to call it) working well for someone.

To me currently, it doesn't matter the size of the buds, but the yield. I'm a medical patient and I'd rather have a lot of smaller buds than a few large ones because in my experience, they are easier to deal with and they dry faster.

Uncle Ben said:
The evidence is found in the previous pages, the hype is in the title of this thread.
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The hype of the title was probably to grab the attention of many different growers and IMO, it seems to have worked.
I'm sorry UB, I've read this entire thread a couple times over as I've been subscribed to it and I do not see this evidence you speak of. I saw the guy from Mendo County's post about his written experience but there wasn't any real evidence (no pictures and and lack of descriptions), and I don't know if I can take just anyone's word for it until I try it myself. If you are talking about the pictures of people's "Monster Cropping" or "Limited Dwarf Bud Production" plants, I do not see the proof that it limits the overall bud production. I can see that it does cause many more branches that produce smaller buds, yes, but I also see these more yet smaller sized buds being equal if not more in dry weight than normal fewer-branched but larger colas. If this is not the case and this form of cloning only decreases the total buds dry weight through lets say stress, than awesome, you've made a good point. But if not, I cannot see the reason for bashing on the method so hard. Then again, I am learning, I haven't completed my harvest of this method, and I wish to educate myself accurately so please correct me if I am wrong. Thank you for your time.
 
RavenMochi

RavenMochi

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Weedoozie said:
Thanks Riddleme, much appreciated. This seems like it would work well for a new grower who may have screwed up the mother plant that grew the branch cloned to make this new more-branched-yet-smaller-buds plant. This is my opinion and I'm speaking from my personal experience. I'm about to harvest my first grow and one of the harvesting indoor females was a mother of a clone I took from her after she had showed her sex. Once putting the clone back into reveg outdoors, it began to grow as the OP pictures showed. Now I am no expert but I continue to educate myself and I know that I caused an N deficiency in my mother of the clone later on in flowering. I've learned from this mistake and am working to correct it in the clone I took. This is how I see the "Monster Cropping" or "Limited Dwarf Bud Production" (whatever you wish to call it) working well for someone.

To me currently, it doesn't matter the size of the buds, but the yield. I'm a medical patient and I'd rather have a lot of smaller buds than a few large ones because in my experience, they are easier to deal with and they dry faster.



The hype of the title was probably to grab the attention of many different growers and IMO, it seems to have worked.
I'm sorry UB, I've read this entire thread a couple times over as I've been subscribed to it and I do not see this evidence you speak of. I saw the guy from Mendo County's post about his written experience but there wasn't any real evidence (no pictures and and lack of descriptions), and I don't know if I can take just anyone's word for it until I try it myself. If you are talking about the pictures of people's "Monster Cropping" or "Limited Dwarf Bud Production" plants, I do not see the proof that it limits the overall bud production. I can see that it does cause many more branches that produce smaller buds, yes, but I also see these more yet smaller sized buds being equal if not more in dry weight than normal fewer-branched but larger colas. If this is not the case and this form of cloning only decreases the total buds dry weight through lets say stress, than awesome, you've made a good point. But if not, I cannot see the reason for bashing on the method so hard. Then again, I am learning, I haven't completed my harvest of this method, and I wish to educate myself accurately so please correct me if I am wrong. Thank you for your time.
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†claps† :blsmoke: ub, I've heard it said by some wiser than me that if it can't be expressed in numbers, than its opinion, not fact. What are the numbers? Not stories, hearsay's and past recollection, but measured on a scale facts.I know your an excellent grower ub, but an experienced grower does not numbers make...

riddleme...good god, get off of your knees and stop kissing ub's ass so much...its unsightly.kiss-ass The man's good not Jesus...
 
riddleme

riddleme

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Excuse me? I've never kissed anybodies ass, if you knew me you would understand lol

I merely shared the link that can be found in at least 3 of his threads
 
RavenMochi

RavenMochi

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riddleme said:
anybody that reads and follows UB's threads would already know the answer,,,,,

it's called Apical Dominance and it is how the plant "divides" its energy, simply put more branches = smaller colas (buds)

here is the research,
http://algorithmicbotany.org/FSPM07/Individual/10.pdf
Click to expand...
sometimes things look diffrent from an outsider looking in...
namely because in this forum they're seems to be countless talented and experienced growers, and one can't possibly keep up with all of they're threads, if it is possible, its by someone with a hell of alot more time on there hands than me... you would never even catch up on what's arleady been posted. So why would you say it like a kid in class "well, if you had read you lesson, like *I* did" Why would you assume we all kept up with all his threads like you apparently do? regardless, it wasn't my place to say anything, who you idolize is your business...I can think of worse people to fallow after for sure...

but back to the topic. who has the numbers?! you know someone on this forum has done the side by side...probably in one of the countless grow journals...
 
riddleme

riddleme

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His threads are full of really good info, why I have read them, also I feel that people should read and research (since I have a teaching background) on their own if more took the time to read the threads of the many experienced growers on this site there would be fewer noob questions, some of us would appreciate that, I have spent over 1000 hours reading threads on RIU and even with my experience have learned things, I consider him a fellow grower and a friend doesn't mean I kiss his ass.

lots of members have read all my threads as well those that have are growing and harvesting with few or no problems and I'm told it takes about 3 weeks to read everything I've written, still people do it, there is something to be said for a desire to learn
 
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buraka415

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its true - there is a shit ton of info here in the threads, in journals, etc. thank goodness for stickies. I just sometimes wish that good threads didnt get littered via trolls, flame wars, etc etc.. I also wish i had discovered RIU a few yrs ago. /sigh

anyways.. i'll risk running dumeass again, and (re)ask my question.. You can take cuts from a plant at any day in flowering, and re-veg it. like 30+ days into flowering, no issues?
 
freddiemoney

freddiemoney

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Try this "technique" at your own risk...Here's a plant which was cloned in a flowering state when it was discovered that it was the last of its kind and should have been saved rather than put to flower. It's bushy, alright. Unfortunately it never came back to normal. It's half flowering all the time, produces clones which are all semi-flowering dwarves now, the structure of the bud has gone to fluff, flavour is weak and you can't really account for stretch anymore since there isn't any. The whole plant has been altered, and not for the better.
In the month and a half it takes for a flowering clone to start picking up steam, you could make one hell of a bushy plant from a standard clone that can grow unhindered from the beginning of its life.

This is after a whopping 4 1/2 months of (re)veg time. I should have a tree...

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