this is it. lets keep the voting here so we can get an accurate understanding of where we're at. 
http://www.taxcannabis.org/index.php/pages/initiative/
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The "OFFICIAL" cast your VOTE on PROP 19 thread
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medicineman
New Member
My opinion, doesn't count much since I'm in Nevada, but I'll opine anyway, just because I can. Seems to me, with my limited understanding, that it would benefit smokers, but growers not so much.
Thestinker
Active Member
as long as you can grow you own you should be happy i think people are just getting greedy and money hungry now, man if i could legally grow then fuck yeh
medicineman
New Member
Say Doc111, I see your signature. Just what are you doing as a "good Man"?I'm not in Cali so it doesn't make much difference but if I was I would be voting yes. We've gotta start somewhere.
doc111
Well-Known Member
It's a dirty job, but someone's gotta do it!
I see some issues with it (haven't read all of it yet though).
-"21 years of age or older" - I feel that it should be 18. If you can be drafted to fight for this country, you should be allowed to smoke a doob.
-"Smoking while minors are present"- That could mean in the home as well. Is a person to be arrested for smoking around their children? That would be invasive.
-"Maintains current prohibition against driving impaired"- Marijuana also does not have the same effects as alcohol when driving. It is my opinion that driving under the influence of anything is not a good idea and places undue risk on oneself and others and should be penalized. However, I feel that marijuana must be dealt with in a less severe degree than alcohol as it is not as harmful. I believe that the act of driving while under the influence of marijuana itself should not be a criminal act, but should carry additional penalty for traffic violations (IOW your 150.00 "failure to yield" ticket is now 200.00 because you're bloodshot-eyed, stoned as a mofo, obviously cognitively impaired.).
-"21 years of age or older" - I feel that it should be 18. If you can be drafted to fight for this country, you should be allowed to smoke a doob
. -"Smoking while minors are present"- That could mean in the home as well. Is a person to be arrested for smoking around their children? That would be invasive.
-"Maintains current prohibition against driving impaired"- Marijuana also does not have the same effects as alcohol when driving. It is my opinion that driving under the influence of anything is not a good idea and places undue risk on oneself and others and should be penalized. However, I feel that marijuana must be dealt with in a less severe degree than alcohol as it is not as harmful. I believe that the act of driving while under the influence of marijuana itself should not be a criminal act, but should carry additional penalty for traffic violations (IOW your 150.00 "failure to yield" ticket is now 200.00 because you're bloodshot-eyed, stoned as a mofo, obviously cognitively impaired.).
Dan Kone
Well-Known Member
It doesn't actually say someone 18-20 can't smoke. It just says someone over 21 can't knowingly sell/give them cannabis.I see some issues with it (haven't read all of it yet though).
-"21 years of age or older" - I feel that it should be 18. If you can be drafted to fight for this country, you should be allowed to smoke a doob
You can be arrested for that now. There is no additional specific penalty listed.
I totally agree. I think it's less dangerous than texting while driving but as or slightly more dangerous than talking on the phone while driving. So in my opinion the penalty for driving under the influence of cannabis should be somewhere between the penalty for texting while driving and talking on the phone. But it's certainly not as dangerous as driving under the influence of alcohol.
Prop 19 is certainly not a perfect end to prohibition, but it does open the door to the end of prohibition. We shouldn't waist our best chance to end prohibition because we don't like a few of the details. We can't let the perfect become the enemy of the good.
Proposition 19: The Regulate, Control and Tax Cannabis Act of 2010
Title and Summary:
Changes California Law to Legalize Marijuana and Allow It to Be Regulated and Taxed. Initiative Statute.
Allows people 21 years old or older to possess, cultivate, or transport marijuana for personal use...............
Dan Kone
Well-Known Member
My bad. Well even with that the law still allows for people 18-20 to grow their own with 215 paperwork. Nothing really changes for 18-20 year olds in terms of recreational use I guess.
Proposition 19: The Regulate, Control and Tax Cannabis Act of 2010
Title and Summary:
Changes California Law to Legalize Marijuana and Allow It to Be Regulated and Taxed. Initiative Statute.
Allows people 21 years old or older to possess, cultivate, or transport marijuana for personal use...............
all this nonsense you've been spouting and you never made it past the FIRST sentence. i can only LOL at that.
and now you throw "well just go medical then" out there? that's even funnier.
Dan Kone
Well-Known Member
The truth is not my enemy. When I'm wrong, I admit it right away. When you are wrong, you continue to hold on to the lie.all this nonsense you've been spouting and you never made it past the FIRST sentence. i can only LOL at that.
and now you throw "well just go medical then" out there? that's even funnier.
i've never claim to be "right". i can only offer my feelings. which are neither right nor wrong, simply mine.
as in "IMO".
Scuba
Well-Known Member
then get a medical card like the rest
MediMary
Well-Known Member
The Official Stop prop 19 website.
http://stop19.com/
http://stop19.com/
Scuba
Well-Known Member
i love you so much!!!!