L.E.D lighting from HTGSUPPLY

[Smrt]

Thanks for the advice

I think im gonna go for an 8 foot wide tent by 4.5 foot deep and 6.5 foot high

in there I think im going to put a 1000 watt hps/mh.. ill go for an led once they get a little more solid

Id back that decision 100% cuz like you said, until the LED gets a lil more solid, I'll wait and stick to the proven HPS. Ive done lots and lots of crops, pulling very close to 2lbs per 1000 HPS. Ive seen 2 of my close friends pull 2.5 lbs more than a few times. Until the LED can come even CLOSE to those numbers, I'll save my money on the light and pay the extra on the hydro bill. My last house I set up in my 5ft x 2ft closet. I used a 2x4 homemade table out of wood and rubber pond liner, 4"x4" Rockwool cubes, then filled around them with hydroton and did the old flood and drain. 2- 600 HPS in a horizontal shade, I joined 2 shades to make a long 3ft shade for the 600's. I ran 18 plants, 3 rows of 6, vegged them til they were 4" to 6" max. Between that setup and the good ole NL strain, I hit a 1.5 lb average.

how many plants should i shoot for with a setup like that in soil?

im thinking of letting them veg for about 40 days

I basically set up the same way in soil, depending on strain. With a 1000 hps, I'd do either 16 or 25 in 6"/1 gallon pots, rows of 4x4 or 5x5. As I said, veg til theyre 4" to 6" if you use 25 plants or till theyre 6" to 8" for 16 plants. That'll make for much quicker veg times. Veggin that many for 40 days would warrant another light.


EDIT: This is the way "I" do things. It works for me. Lots of things work. Take all the advice you get and use it as a guideline only, then suit it to your needs and your setup accordingly. Good luck !!!

 

[Cannabist Communist]

IMO, due to the difference in penetration vs an HID lamp, I think the SOG method is a no brainer. I wouldnt even attempt a big plant.

Yeah, I hear ya. I was just tellin' him what he could do with it. Obviously SoG would be the best bet. But if he's goin' for fewer plant numbers and a modest harvest, I think he could pack his grow space with topped plants and pull it off; I've seen lots o' setups doin' that with just a couple o' CFLs on one plant with modest yields. If he can get his canopy fairly level he should be all right. But if he does stick with his original plan of growin' out some fat, untopped plants, HIDs are just a more affordable option. There are LEDs that can do it, too, but they're two or three thousand bucks. Just sayin'.

 

[woodsmaneh!]

Using one light will not cover 8x4.5 you need 2 1000w to cover that area, don't let anyone tell you different.

You can do half of that with 1000w 4x4 or 4x5 at max

6.5 feet high, lets see what you are left with after sticking equipment in there.

So you need 12 to 18 inches to hang the light
you need 1 foot for your planting pot
you need to be 12 to 18 inches from the plant tops

= 3 to 4 feet used by equipment before you grow, need to have room for fans too

That leaves you with less than 3 feet to grow with?

Food for thought

Now stick a 600w LED and 4 100w inferred LED's in the same tent and you can do 4x8 with them and you get 2 feet back in growing room, and less room for fans. You can grow 5 feet + with leds. Last 50,000 + hours no loss of intensity, low heat.....

jmho

PEACE

 

[Ralphie]

Man

I am feeling to be in a tough situation

So many good points here, i was leaning LED, then HPS/MH now LED again

My issue/worry is the heat.. I already own a 400w mh/hps, so if i ordered a 1000 watt mh/hps, im sure that would more than cover that space.. BUT.. how the hell am i going to regulate the climate in there?

Its going to cost a fortune in fans, humidity controllers, air conditioners, etc.. not to mention the electricity bill for the above..

One thing I see off all of that is a higher yield

However, I'm only doing this grow for my self and for strict fun, i only smoke less than a gram a day, so i dont need pounds, id prefer banging quality rather than quantity.. i might give a way a half ounce or so to somebody, other than that its mine..

So lets say I get that 300Watt LED, buy a couple more UFO leds and LED bulbs, and fill the fucking tent up with leds, whichj will stilluse less electricity than the 1400 watts of mh/hps i would put in there

And lets just say, on top of that.. I hung up the 400 watt mh/hps that I already own.. which shouldnt be too difficult to control heat with ON TOP of the LEDS

Wouldnt I get a pretty decent quality grow.. Is it possible the MH/HPS would fuck up the LEDS?

Maybe I will do this..

My budget right now after seeds is about $2,000(tent/new lights/ferts/fans/etc)

And if i need to buy stuff in a next couple weeks or months, ill dump more into it

What should I do???

 

[carokann]

its all up to you. imo, u should go with a couple t5's. they can daisy chain together so u only need 1 timer. have u looked into t5s?

 

[Sakhal chea]

Stick with the HPS and get a few UFO for side lightning for a better quality buds and as for heat Co2 will allow your plants to tolerate heat above the 90's. Flower with your Hps and Mh hung from the top. LED UFOs on the side, u can get chinese models cheap on ebay. Instead of controllers you can use timers 1 for co2, 1 for intake and fans and 1 for the lights. Get it dialed in and thier u go. Big savings and still a good yield.

 

[SSHZ]

I use 2 1000 watters in a 6 X 8 ft. area producing anywhere between 3-4 lbs depending on the strain (from seed). I spent $2400 on 4 LED's 2 years ago and returned them after 3 weeks. But the technology has greatly improved but the really good LED's now cost over $2K for 600+ watts. Look at the advanced nutrients LED's. The cheap one can be gotten for $600. Personally, the way the technology is changing, I'd wait another year cause I hear great things are coming. For now, I'd still by electronic ballasts with good hoods- probably 2 600 watters would be ideal for your situation.

 

[Ralphie]

Ok, I emailed them for the spectrum info

It is as follows:

BLUE SPECTRUM: 440-460 nominal Nanometers
RED SPECTRUM: 650-670 nominal Nanometers
WHITE: Wide Band

I know ive changed my thoughts 100 times already on this grow, but I want to get it right..

So lets say I run mycurrent 400 watt hps/mh and in addition run a 300 watt tri band led, and 2 or 3 90 watt ufos..

Do you think that will equal out to the power or exceed the power of a single 1000 watt hps/mh.. not only the power but willit increase the area coverage under the spectrum that they come

 

[Cannabist Communist]

Man

I am feeling to be in a tough situation

So many good points here, i was leaning LED, then HPS/MH now LED again

My issue/worry is the heat.. I already own a 400w mh/hps, so if i ordered a 1000 watt mh/hps, im sure that would more than cover that space.. BUT.. how the hell am i going to regulate the climate in there?

Its going to cost a fortune in fans, humidity controllers, air conditioners, etc.. not to mention the electricity bill for the above..

One thing I see off all of that is a higher yield

However, I'm only doing this grow for my self and for strict fun, i only smoke less than a gram a day, so i dont need pounds, id prefer banging quality rather than quantity.. i might give a way a half ounce or so to somebody, other than that its mine..

So lets say I get that 300Watt LED, buy a couple more UFO leds and LED bulbs, and fill the fucking tent up with leds, whichj will stilluse less electricity than the 1400 watts of mh/hps i would put in there

And lets just say, on top of that.. I hung up the 400 watt mh/hps that I already own.. which shouldnt be too difficult to control heat with ON TOP of the LEDS

Wouldnt I get a pretty decent quality grow.. Is it possible the MH/HPS would fuck up the LEDS?

Maybe I will do this..

My budget right now after seeds is about $2,000(tent/new lights/ferts/fans/etc)

And if i need to buy stuff in a next couple weeks or months, ill dump more into it

What should I do???

You can supplement HPS with LED no problem. Just don't get your LEDs from a cheap Chinese vendor on eBay. Here's a promising one I'm lookin' into for my projected first grow:

http://cgi.ebay.com/135-watt-w-6-band-LED-grow-light-3w-diodes-90w-300w-600-/110454776276?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0

"135 watt UFO LED 6 Band Grow light w/ ALL 3 watt diodes
We use to sell LED's with 1 watt diode's (that's why low feedback) We have educated ourselves and here's the results. Dont be fooled 1 watt diodes wont grow a plant over 2 ft tall. I have done it. Grow 6ft plants.
60 DAY HASSLE Free Satisfaction Gaurantee

Visit www.thegreenleaf.biz for full return policy.

With This 6 band 135 watt all 3 watt diode LED you will be able to penetrate the canopy of any crop. The 6 bands is one of the widest spectrums of its kind. We have had some copy cats so we don't spell out the nm any more. However it has 2 spec of red 2 spec of blue 1 spec organe and cool white. They way we spread the wavelengths is the ket to it all. With the 3 watt diodes you will be able to cover a wider area and still get the depth that the 1 watt diodes don't have. This light will replace about 500 watts of HID without a doubt. Any company that say a ufo with 1 watt diodes will replace a 400 watt is lying to you to say the least."

Part of me feels like it's too good to be true, but it's composed entirely of three watt diodes, has a full six-band spectrum, and a full sixty day money-back guarantee that you can grow your plants six feet tall just like an HID. I'd definitely pick this over other, cheaper ones with one watt diodes and no guarantee where all sales are final. Three watt diodes are fuckin' powerful; I'm curious to see how they do on their own. You could even do a side-by-side comparison with your MH and see how they stack up; if your LEDs do fine, stick with 'em, if they don't, all you gotta do is send 'em back and spend less than a hundred bucks on a nice 1,000 watt HPS. Worse comes to worse you sell 'em on eBay. The way I see it, in your situation, you have nothing to lose and everything to gain. Even if your yield suffers, I know you can still get good quality out of an LED, and if it's just as good, then you got the whole package. But think carefully, choose wisely, and exercize caution.

By the way, are there any other thoughts about this LED?

 

[Cannabist Communist]

Ok, I emailed them for the spectrum info

It is as follows:

BLUE SPECTRUM: 440-460 nominal Nanometers
RED SPECTRUM: 650-670 nominal Nanometers
WHITE: Wide Band

I know ive changed my thoughts 100 times already on this grow, but I want to get it right..

So lets say I run mycurrent 400 watt hps/mh and in addition run a 300 watt tri band led, and 2 or 3 90 watt ufos..

Do you think that will equal out to the power or exceed the power of a single 1000 watt hps/mh.. not only the power but willit increase the area coverage under the spectrum that they come

I think that would easily exceed the intensity of one 1,000 watt HPS. HTG claims that their 300 watter exceeds one on its own. Combined with an MH you should have more than enough light to snap mainstems in budweight.

 

[Ralphie]

yea but ive always trusted htg supply. so i try to keep my business with them theyve never done me wrong

only issue is htg supply lamps are 1 watt bulbs which concerns me a little

but cmon.. having a 400 watt mh/hps then a 300 watt 1 watt tri band led, then 2 or 3 more 90 watt ufos.. has to exceed a 1000 watt in coverage and yield

any other thoughts?

 

[carokann]

i heard the 1 watt was good, its the less than 1 watt you shouldnt buy. "shrug"

 

[Ralphie]

man i hope so

id hate to throw away the money

i mean im spending it on more hids plus cooling equipment, acs etc

or spending it on more leds and saving electric plus equipment

 

[Cannabist Communist]

yea but ive always trusted htg supply. so i try to keep my business with them theyve never done me wrong

only issue is htg supply lamps are 1 watt bulbs which concerns me a little

but cmon.. having a 400 watt mh/hps then a 300 watt 1 watt tri band led, then 2 or 3 more 90 watt ufos.. has to exceed a 1000 watt in coverage and yield

any other thoughts?

i heard the 1 watt was good, its the less than 1 watt you shouldnt buy. "shrug"

Well, I'm not really sure which is more effective or efficient. Serapis claims to have read a study or two that concluded that one watt diodes are more efficient than three watt diodes. Could be because they spread out their field of illumination a little wider at the point of discharge. I'm sure that watt for watt one and three watt diodes are negligibly distant in efficiency. But then what would be the point in increasing the diode wattage? Even HTG is building hype for new models with two watt diodes coming soon.

As pertains to your concerns about getting enough lighting, Ralphie, I think you might be preoccupying yourself with sufficiency a tad bit. Take a deep breath, find your center, and think it over again. You have to remember that while there's a lot of bashing against LEDs for their generally shorter foliar penetration depth, they still discharge a lot of high intensity light. I've read disclaimers for some that warn not to place them too close to your plants, because at near-point-blank-range they're more intense than the sun and could stunt growth or kill your plants. If this is the case, it's also reasonable to consider the possibility that too many LEDs could do the same. I'm sure you could benefit from a lot of them, but you probably don't need so many. Contact HTG; tell 'em what you have planned with discrete ommissions if necessary. I'm sure they can tell you the ideal amount of lighting for your grow space. While one should have healthy skepticism, it's not unreasonable to assume that the manufacturer knows how to use their product best.

Combust some cannabis and peace out,
The Cannabist Communist

 

[Schotzky]

i read that you said earlier that you wanted maximum yield. if you want max yield its HPS
if you get more multiple LEDs then ya your go to go with yield but they are very pricey
im not bashing the LED but i think that they could get more powerful in the future.
how ever i have seen very impressive LED grows where people add on a few CFL lights which really helps
if your concerned with heat and electricity bills and have $ - LED
if you want max yield - hps
just my opinion tho
good luck

 

[Ralphie]

Yea im not worried about elec bills but, im worried about my breaker being able to handle the electric

id hate to have to get an electrician to put in a 20 or 30 amp breaker..

i think im gonna use the hid and some leds and see how it goes

how bad can it be

ill take another day or two to think about it or for someone to convince me otherwise.. then im placing the order

shopping cart is already full

 

[Cannabist Communist]

Yea im not worried about elec bills but, im worried about my breaker being able to handle the electric

id hate to have to get an electrician to put in a 20 or 30 amp breaker..

i think im gonna use the hid and some leds and see how it goes

how bad can it be

ill take another day or two to think about it or for someone to convince me otherwise.. then im placing the order

shopping cart is already full

Exactly what's in the shopping cart? A 400 watt HPS, a 300 watt Triband, some UFOs? Just curious..

 

[woodsmaneh!]

I really don't think you want the 1w LEDs they are up to 5 w and most LEDS should be 2 to 3 at the least. Go check out cree led lighting they make the stuff, see what they say.

 

[Ralphie]

Exactly what's in the shopping cart? A 400 watt HPS, a 300 watt Triband, some UFOs? Just curious..

the shopping cart so far has changed about 5,000 times

i thought i was finally done and I received a Pm telling me not to use LEDs at all

as of this very moment the shopping cart is:
600 watt mh/hps
300 watt led
2x 90 WATT led UFOs
grow tent

 

[krozone]

Check out baby!


Continuing to follow this thread. Sorry your in this bind Ralphie; I am sure that what you have laid out in your post just now is good to go!

(Not a fan of the UFO, personally. The panels are nice however)