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Heads Up

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I totally know the feeling my friend. After reading this I can not wait to start growing again. It's such a beautiful process in my eyes. Seeing the plants develop in veg, and then the buds develop in flower is just such a sight to behold. And to think I had something to do with the process is quite rewarding in deed. Mother nature let's us take part in a wonderful opportunity with this growing thing. :weed:
Amen! Time to see the girls.
 

days to daze

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And days, nice bud ya' got going there. I do not see any beans in those pics, maybe you are just noticing the seed pods swelling from thc?
well it has bananas.. and it did throw pollen everywhere last week ..
and that chronic that hermied has tonnes of brown pistols.. (its week 5) isnt that sign of pollination?
the rest of the plants have white pistols .. execpt the large ak47 but it think its just close to finishing tbh because surely the rest would have been pollinated too .. hmm .. time will tell .. its all new to me ..
 

days to daze

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It's almost a quarter till seven my time and my lights go on at seven. Every evening I start to get antsy about this time to see the girls, after all I haven't seen them all day it's been over twelve hours...I might have the little shop of horrors going on in there for all I know? I would think by now it would be no big thing, wrong. I am still enthralled by the whole growing part. I really do believe I get as much enjoyment out of watching them grow as I do releasing their spirits. After over a year and several grows the natural beauty of the plant still makes me stop and stare. I find myself at times just standing in my grow room staring at the girls visualizing how the flowering stage is going to progress over the next several weeks. In another week or so I will give them a good dose of N and also increase the strength of their nutes over the next few weeks before hitting them with gravity around week five or so. Around the start of week seven I will give them another dose of N and that will be it until completion of flowering.
I totally know the feeling my friend. After reading this I can not wait to start growing again. It's such a beautiful process in my eyes. Seeing the plants develop in veg, and then the buds develop in flower is just such a sight to behold. And to think I had something to do with the process is quite rewarding in deed. Mother nature let's us take part in a wonderful opportunity with this growing thing. :weed:

made me smile .. im pretty sure every grower who isnt just in it for a quick quid does the same.
its magical... ive never seen anything like it before and as you say .. when that door is opened you just want to pull up a chair and watch them grow. every time i leave its like .. oh go on just one more look.
 

1badmasonman

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Dzzzamn. Busy day on the 600 haha. Just roolin in from a head scratching day sheesh. Laying stones under the gun and none are of dimensions that work together Uggghhh. Ok enough of my cunt bleeding lol. I got the ghs strwberry haze and the lower half of the trinwreck chopped and trimmed last night. Mrs badman and I were up till 2am trimming cheefing scissor hash like a mofo. I took a hella long time to trim that strawberry haze. She smells devine though and looks like she yeilded maybe 2-3 oz. Trainwreck about an oz. So in good shape. After i drag me sack through the wash ill throw up some pics. Peace my 600 pals. 1BMM
 

Heads Up

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well it has bananas.. and it did throw pollen everywhere last week ..
and that chronic that hermied has tonnes of brown pistols.. (its week 5) isnt that sign of pollination?
the rest of the plants have white pistols .. execpt the large ak47 but it think its just close to finishing tbh because surely the rest would have been pollinated too .. hmm .. time will tell .. its all new to me ..
Hmm, that's a different matter then. Were your other girls in the same room? It just seems rather odd to me that nothing else was pollinated, just the plant throwing off the pollen. I've also read a lot of the pollen from a hermy is not fertile. I guess only time will tell.
 

Heads Up

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I'm curious masonman how your strawberry turns out. Of the four strains of sativa I grew, I liked that the least. To me it had the least taste and the weakest high. It's still a good head buzz but the sour cream is much better, much and the malawi 99 is just a good smoke, and a real nice sweet taste and smell.
 

Hotsause

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cant wait to see the weight of the main Cola my problem is i have a small scale..... and how do you jar something like that most things i cut off it are going to be Ginormous i went and got some Pint jars hopefully that does the tric :) Im about ready for Round 2 I havent updated you guys on my 3 Foot Blueberry, My Durban Poison clone and my Purple GB clone. All of them are fine i know my Blueberry want to go into flowering already but i have to clean down there before i move anything. Also i bought a growtent off Ebay im on my laptop so i dont have all the info on it but i believe its 4x4x6.5 Next on my list is a Carbon Filter and Fan combo http://cgi.ebay.com/6-INLINE-FAN-CARBON-FILTER-COMBO-ODOR-CONTROL-SCRUBBER-/230511595958?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0 is this a good choice to keep it cooler and smell free??????
 

silverhazefiend

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cant wait to see the weight of the main Cola my problem is i have a small scale..... and how do you jar something like that most things i cut off it are going to be Ginormous i went and got some Pint jars hopefully that does the tric :) Im about ready for Round 2 I havent updated you guys on my 3 Foot Blueberry, My Durban Poison clone and my Purple GB clone. All of them are fine i know my Blueberry want to go into flowering already but i have to clean down there before i move anything. Also i bought a growtent off Ebay im on my laptop so i dont have all the info on it but i believe its 4x4x6.5 Next on my list is a Carbon Filter and Fan combo http://cgi.ebay.com/6-INLINE-FAN-CARBON-FILTER-COMBO-ODOR-CONTROL-SCRUBBER-/230511595958?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0 is this a good choice to keep it cooler and smell free??????
Go to plantlightinghydroponics.com and buyman inline fan for 80 bucks and a hepa carbon filter for 50..=130+ shipping ..i didnt click ur link but i have a feeling its gonna be over 150..so its just a heads up..and those r prices for a 6inch filter and fan ..
 

1badmasonman

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OK peeps here we go. Before i start i will explain a bit of how i came to the needs of cloning.

First off im quite new to growing and a seed source was not availible to me when i first started. I was quite paranoid about mail ordering seeds and so with the genetics i could find locally i began my mission of raising a mother plant to take cuttings from. The strain is the purps and is a rare find around my parts.

Now you dont neccisarilly have to raise a mother to take clones from but that is what i did. Mainly because I grow outdoors aswell and needed to produce a shit load of clones at once.

You can take cuttings from any plant anytime while in veg. If you aim to raise a mother you will want to top every shoot that grows above the first node. This will create 2 growing tips now instead of one. If you repeat this process many times you can take upwards of 20-50 clones off 1 plant every 7-14 days. Now unless your a commercial grower or an outdoor guerilla grower you probably wont be needing that many clones.

Ok onto the veg room.



This is my veg/mother/clone room which is built within the flower room and sealed from it aswell. I put the blocks on the floor which the cloner sits atop to help with draining because the amount of water it takes to fill the machine is HEAVY. I run the lights 24/7 for now. Its just a simple t8 floro hood. And i keep it pretty high above the clones as you will see. This room has fresh air intake and exhausts into the flower room. A small fan would work just aswell.



This is the reservoir which is nothing more than a storage tote. Black is ideal when shopping for one. The size you need will depend on how many clones you desire. I originally built this machine to root 15 clones at a time. However i have rooted as many as 200 at once which i will explain further below.

A heavy duty tote is also important. Why? because the cheap sterilite ones will bow out when full of water and will allow in light which will cause algae to grow which will slime up your roots. So Heavy duty and black are 2 important things to look for. If you cant find black you can foil tape the outside and that too will work. This tote cost me $12.00 at ACE hardware.

Notice the square holes in the lid. Those are the root plug sites. This is probably the hardest part of building this unit. It will take some time to cut them holes.

Moving on



Heres the side view and a look at the pump. This is a dual port aquarium pump $18.00 at walmart. I actually run 2 of these one on the front side and one on the back. So ive got a dedicated port for each airstone which really helps create alot more bubbles and mist within the res. One pump will still give great results but youll have dead spots where the bubbles are lacking. The drain spout is optional. It is handy when it comes time to change the water. I have just been pumping my res dry with my utilitech 1/3rd horse water pump right into the drain. Works slicker than ky jelly.

Black air hose is a must. If you use clear you will get algae. $3.00 at walmart. You may want to include some check valves inline to prevent backflow into the pumps. They are cheap insurance at just a few $$ apeice. However i dont use any and havent had a problem yet.

So far $60.00 spent not to bad. Now all we need is some good airstones.



Now you dont have to put a block in the bottom of your cloner but i do so that the airstones are closer to the clone stems. A shallower tote would be benificial but i couldnt find one at the time. Having a larger volume of water also keeps the temps a bit more stable as theres alot more of it to heat when the room gets hot during the heat of the day. Temps generally stay right around 78 degrees give or take.

For airstones i started out using little bitty 1" but they wouldn't stay put in the res and were wizzing around in the bottom so i went up to 12" and they really seem to work well. They are about $3.00 apeice at walmart again. They are heavy enough to stay where I put them under the surface which is nice. Sometimes a deadspot will become evident as the airstones age so youll have to move them around to get the bubbles rumbling evenly across the waters surface.



And here she is full of fresh h2o straight from the tap. My cities water is some of the cleanest water in the USA so im not to worried about using it.

See how evenly the bubbles are bursting on the surface. That is what we want to see. Onto the lid.


Remeber those square holes in the lid?. Well this is what we are going to use to make a snug fitting rooting plug. These are some childrens foam building blocks. I have not been able for the life of me been able to find a retail store who sells these. I stole a few from my kids and bought them a huge lego set for there loss. It was a fair trade.


The finished product. Just a lil trimming to make the plug snug fit into the lid of the cloner and wallah.



As you can see some of the plugs ive cut alot of material from the inners of the plug and thats because i grew 8 clone mothers for the outdoor season this year and i stuffed them lil root plugs just as full of cuttings as i could. 10-15 in each plug. Yes they did root just fine being that crowded and most where very healthy.

One thing I wanted to mention is that you can find an abundance of other materials to use as rooting plugs. You can also order the neoprene type if you wish. I have been asked many times where to get them lil blocks i use and the answer is i dont know. I have looked in every toy isle in my city and cant find em anywhere. They may be availible online somewhere though i never did a search yet for them.

Ok so we are ready to fill her up with clones now. I currently have no need to take clones but i decided today that i will take my 6 mothers in veg and take a cutting each from them and put them into flower. Ill get into that in a bit.


Heres a cutting from blue widow pheno2. Im going to leave only the top 2 sets of leaves.


Ok 3 sets since they are staggered. I slice the bottom straight off. Some say to cut at a 45 under water. Ive done both methods and either way i dont notice any diffrence in rooting times or overall health.


Once the cutting is trimmed i mist the stem with water and dip it in this rooting hormone for just a light coating and put directly in the root plug into the cloner.


Repeat as nescissary. Its really quit simple from here. I have been adding some foxfarm grow big veg nutes to the res in a low dose every water change. I like to change the water twice a month to keep the algae in check.

I have experimented with running the pumps on a timed schedule only to find that 24/7 is the best way to go. If your wanting to lower your electric bill though a schedule of 15 minutes on 45 off will help but slow the root growth slightly.

How Long does it take to root a clone????

Well it depends on the strain. I have found the strains ive aquired locally root really fast compared to strains ive aquired via seedbanks. I dont know why but they root fast. By fast i mean 1 week or less. Ive had some root in as few a 3 days. On the other end of the spectrum ive had strains such as the Arjans Strawberry Haze take as much as a month.

I can tell you that keeping the stems in or at the waters surface in the res is key.



The water level should be checked daily as it will evaporate to some degree. You idealy want to keep the water just at the stem so keep this in mind when taking cuttings. The softer the tissue you take a cutting from will also produce roots faster but they are hard to get as the doner plant ages. As long as that stem stays wet and the groing tip on top of the plant stays alive you will get roots no matter how tuff the stem tissue is. Just be patient. You will first see small roots developing and the foliage starting to yellow a bit and that is when they are ready to explode with root growth.

I let the root ball get about the size of a cigarette lighter and then put them in 4" soil pots. If your growing hydro you can actually veg the clones right in the cloner till ready for the hydro system. Ive done this on a small scale test run to see how well it will work as i plan a 15 bucket hydro run this winter, and it looks like it will work great.

And that concludes this tutorial for now. I will update the progress of the 5 clones i took from each mother today when roots start poppin. If you have any questions lay em on me brothers and sisters. 1BMM:arrow::joint::hump:
As Promised Here we are just 7 days later. This is the WW cut just starting to root. And no yellowing at all quite suprised.


Another 3-4 days she aught be ready for a 4" soil pot. Ill keep the updates coming peeps.
 

1badmasonman

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Goodevening 600 gents. I have discovered that my fkn timers are starting to run out of sync. And one is counting way faster than the other. I think ive let it slide awhile but i caught the lights out tonight right when 1 went off I noticed a 15 minute diffrence from one to the other. Cheap ass Walmart brinks timers. Go figure. Almost everything you buy at walmart is designed to fail. It makes a good market for mr waltons cheap remedies to everything lol. Cheapest aint always best peeps.

Now for some harvest shots.



Heres the Strawberry Haze. She didnt have a chance to produce to her full potential as i forced her to grow to many branches to produce clones. However I did get some buds, mostly popcorn but im the only one smoking on her and i can digg it. She smells great so far.



Back rack is the rest of the Trainwreck plant. Also a flowered clone mother. Next clone mums are going outside from here out. Just a waste of energy for the lights and equipment costs. efficiancy is what im shooting for. Honing me skills for the 600 grow off 2010 haha.



This is my purp mother. She is just around ohh 6 months old. She was so fucking tall i ahad to twist her around like a pretzel to fit her under the lights. Showing some puple already at just 4 weeks.



Lemon Skunk smelling heavenly. MMMM she smells really good.



White Widow lower half. Damn near ready. She is also turning purple in spots.



The new batch.



This fucker has got to be about ready. SS 12/12 from clone.

Check under the scope.



It looks like some amber but cant tell in person what do you guys think?







I want to leave it go aws along as it should. Going on week 12 flower. Hmm ive never flowered this long before.

Thats all for now peeps.



This is what ill be seeing in my sleep Ugghhh. Peace 1bmm
 

1badmasonman

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I'm curious masonman how your strawberry turns out. Of the four strains of sativa I grew, I liked that the least. To me it had the least taste and the weakest high. It's still a good head buzz but the sour cream is much better, much and the malawi 99 is just a good smoke, and a real nice sweet taste and smell.
So far so good HU. I think shes a lil premature but shea was yellowing out and getting crispy on me. Buds are wispy. Probaly should have let the lower half go a bit longer but im running out of time. Ill make some canna butter with the fuzz and trim if nothing else. I do have some dense nugs in the mix though. Cant wait to try her out.

i still have alot of Popcorn bud to do but im gonna use those for hash most likely.


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Awesome work Hotsauce. That a huge freaking cola bro. Good Job. Nighty Nite 1bmm
 

silverhazefiend

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1Bmm thank u for that cloning article..im new 2 the whole cloning thing and was looking for tha type of info..do u have any pics of the moms u took the clones from? u said 2 top after every node after the first node??..and why dont u use a cloning solution in the water? im gonna buy a cloner..im lazy..last thing after u put them in the 4inch pots how long do u veg for..i wanna go sog..so cloner->16oz cup for a week->1 gallon bag..i cant veg in the one gallon bags due 2 space so would going straight 2 flower from the transplant hurt my yield?
thanks for answeering any question that u can..

DST-any new pics of the dog? and i finally got my lemon larrys today.(yes!!) im stacking up for the 2010 grow off..now i still need some banana OG and a special cheese lady 2 make me happy
 

cheechzilla

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Why does everyone dry on the full branch. its so much harder to try and trim while each bud is on the branch. Seeing a full branch makes it look like more but I found that taking it off and trimming each nug individually is fast and allows you to get a better manicure. Plus you're doing work in advance.
 

DST

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Well even with the s/w down for a day, the Club is still bumping. Hats off to Hotsauase and 1BMM for some lovely looking buds!!!!

nas, re your question, yes it will get hot with a 600, get a good inline fan. I have the same space with a 600 and a 400 in it.


Why does everyone dry on the full branch. its so much harder to try and trim while each bud is on the branch. Seeing a full branch makes it look like more but I found that taking it off and trimming each nug individually is fast and allows you to get a better manicure. Plus you're doing work in advance.
Firstly, the bud would probably dry TOO quick. Quick drying means harsh and rough smoke
Secondly, (my thoughts) the branch is effectively keeping the plant in a state of being semi conscious, just like cut flowers. Now the branch will also have some energy to feed to the flowers, which the flowers/buds will utilise until no longer possible. Try buying a cut flower from a florist, put it in some water and add some food colourant....watch the food colourant being sucked up by the flower!! The plant is slowly dying, you cut the flower off, then it will die quicker. This may seem like punishment and a slow death, but for us it's better.
Third point: Easier to hang

I think all in all, the main thing is to dry it over a period of days, and not too quick. Perhaps there are other reasons, but I have always done it this way and can't imagine snipping all the bud off before it is dry as being easier, since that sticky wet bud is a nightmare....i try not to touch it as much as possible until it is dry....all you are doing is knocking trich's off it.

Will post some update pics in a minute or ten....

Laters, DST


 
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