they will drop soon bro they look like they are getting pretty fat and smelly lol. so I still want to see the height comparison you should hold something long up to them to show the true height. but other than that bro everything looks good and I cant wait for the taste test. let me know when you want to go shopping again we can do it together online with some attitude lol
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meezy4tw
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Yes, I do not give my plants in FFOF nutes, until they start telling me they need it. The FF brand of nutes is definitley not a waste of money, they just take a while to dial in sometimes.
And you're buds look awesome keep us updated.
TheRuiner
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Ok Daukness, I will hold up a tape measurer to let you see how tall she is even while being lst'ed to fit into the space she's growing in, I'm really anxious to see how high she will reach when I cut loose the twisty ties and let her stretch like nature intended her too, I honestly believe with all my heart that if this plant were growing in a field with full sun, and had a season to veg and flower, without being topped at all, that she would naturally be every bit of 10-15 feet tall. No shitting you. If topping at the 3rd node got me 6+ feet then I can only imagine what this beast would do unrestrained! (I have 3 of these seeds left so one day we may see for our selfs!)
TheRuiner
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Well I can honestly say that they feeding schedule is a total load of bull shit, if not the entire line of nutes. I guess it's just the way I applied them but I'll be damned if I didn't do the very same thing that a ton of other people have done and they got better results (or at least results with less burn or def). At this point I'm leaning more towards def than locked up or burnt, but who the hell knows at this point, I've tried a number of things that have been interpreted in several different ways by many different people.
maniacal420
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You do sound snobby with a reply like that. I meant fine as in ok, she will get through. And from what I read in your thread, you describe nutes at every watering. Maybe you are not saying when you give str8 water. I def. am no expert, but come on.
https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/358113-my-1st-real-grow-250mh.html
cannabis420420
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well you got to start some where got start growing no matter if a little bit
meezy4tw
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Gotcha, if its a deficiency then I still wouldnt bother feeding anymore. Those buds look dank by all means and should be just fine. I recommend you try your next batch in the FFOF without giving nutes until the plants show physical signs of needing them. This way you can tell for sure that you havent overnuted them.
Also you have to be careful with most sativa strains as I hear alot of them are quite sensitive to nutrient doses, making them more susceptible to lockup and burn. Indicas seem to be more forgiving in the case of over/under nutrition.
In the case of growing indoors, I keep my soil at 6.8. A ph of 6.5-6.6 will work but its somewhat acidic for soil. Especially when running a sativa strain in my opinion. Obviously it can be done, but I find that I have much healthier plats in FFOF when the soil is at 6.8-6.9 rather than lower.
Not sure if you tried this too, but try to make you're own feeding schedule and use a bit lower dose of nutes than the bottle says. It is much better to use a smaller amount of nutrients and add more if needed, as its much harder to take those nutrients back out. If I use nutes, I tend to use 1/4 strenght doses at a time, and if the problem persists, add another 1/4 strength dose.
I thnk you should just give them ph'd water from here on out to be honest, and in another week or so, you'll know if you have a deficiency or a lockup on your hands for sure. Then you can go from there.
Also you have to be careful with most sativa strains as I hear alot of them are quite sensitive to nutrient doses, making them more susceptible to lockup and burn. Indicas seem to be more forgiving in the case of over/under nutrition.
In the case of growing indoors, I keep my soil at 6.8. A ph of 6.5-6.6 will work but its somewhat acidic for soil. Especially when running a sativa strain in my opinion. Obviously it can be done, but I find that I have much healthier plats in FFOF when the soil is at 6.8-6.9 rather than lower.
Not sure if you tried this too, but try to make you're own feeding schedule and use a bit lower dose of nutes than the bottle says. It is much better to use a smaller amount of nutrients and add more if needed, as its much harder to take those nutrients back out. If I use nutes, I tend to use 1/4 strenght doses at a time, and if the problem persists, add another 1/4 strength dose.
I thnk you should just give them ph'd water from here on out to be honest, and in another week or so, you'll know if you have a deficiency or a lockup on your hands for sure. Then you can go from there.
TheRuiner
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I like to smoke the best weed possible, sue me. The journal is very specific about what I've fed and when if it doesn't say I put nutes then I didn't put nutes, at what point wasn't that clear through the documentation?
Again, I'm seriously not coming across the way I wanna sound through typing, but seriously, I was freakin uber detailed, what am I missing?
TheRuiner
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I hear your reasoning, but I flushed with 3x the amount of water I have soil in my container and then gave nothing but a extremely light feeding and then strait water for a week and saw the plants issues not only worsen but manifest itself in other ways in the plant, ie prior to flush I had all beautiful upper growth and afterwards the upper growth started to curl and dry out at the tips.
maniacal420
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Hey man, it's cool. I read back through and yes, you did give straight water, but lots of nutes also. My plants are 4 weeks and haven't had a drop except for what I mixed in the soil. I am using FFOF also w/ Happy frog 5-5-5 w/mycohrrizae and humic acid. I will not need nutes for a while. Good luck on this and all future grows
meezy4tw
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Oh ok, I didn't know you already did all that lol
In that case it looks like more of a defficiency of phosphorous and potassium. it also looks like you did have some salt build up mixed in too. So all togethr I might say its a mix of all 3 of these.
check the pics here (the last one is pottasium def)
In that case it looks like more of a defficiency of phosphorous and potassium. it also looks like you did have some salt build up mixed in too. So all togethr I might say its a mix of all 3 of these.
check the pics here (the last one is pottasium def)
TheRuiner
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Your plants look happy so far, I hope you get some great buds, I'll be watching. I'll take into consideration what your saying about the nutes, when and how much are you going to feed your plants? What exactly?
TheRuiner
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wow, thanks for doing some homework, I've noticed those things as well, what would you do from here out to attempt to correct?
maniacal420
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I plan on using very little fert. I will just add some more of the 5-5-5 in a couple weeks. I hope to flower then. About 2 weeks into flower i will top dress with bat guano 0-5-0 and water with molasses. I will get some new pics up this weekend. grow well my friend
https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/358113-my-1st-real-grow-250mh.html
meezy4tw
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I would flush them one more time thouroughly, and then I might try re applying the lowest dose of nutes possible, I'm talking like 1/8th or less the normal strength dose. If new growth shows up after a day or 2 then continue, however if the plant worsens then just keep giving non-nuted water and hope for the best.
Instead of using strong fox farms nutes, you could try giving her some water mixed at a ratio of 1 tablespoon per gallon of mollasses. Its a good thing to give towards the second half of flowering as it can add 20% more weight to the buds. It can even be used in a plant food by itself in some cases.
Heres a video featurning the same mollasses I use myself. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcOyGd6Rwig
heres a link to some stuff on the nutrient problems for you as well. http://www.growery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/234999
Also, how many gallons is that container shes in? It looks kind of small for how big she is, a good rule of thumb is 1 gallon per foot of plant.
I would recommend a bit more research into deficincies if I were you, this website is quite a goldmine of knowledge, all it takes is some looking around.
Instead of using strong fox farms nutes, you could try giving her some water mixed at a ratio of 1 tablespoon per gallon of mollasses. Its a good thing to give towards the second half of flowering as it can add 20% more weight to the buds. It can even be used in a plant food by itself in some cases.
Heres a video featurning the same mollasses I use myself. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcOyGd6Rwig
heres a link to some stuff on the nutrient problems for you as well. http://www.growery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/234999
Also, how many gallons is that container shes in? It looks kind of small for how big she is, a good rule of thumb is 1 gallon per foot of plant.
I would recommend a bit more research into deficincies if I were you, this website is quite a goldmine of knowledge, all it takes is some looking around.
TheRuiner
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I have some of the same molasses that I was planning on using very soon. The container is a 5 gallon nursery pot, tell her she's only supposed to be 1 foot for every gallon, i think she forgot
I've read so much about def's that everything is starting to look the same and for every effect I find there are 3 causes that could be the lack of nute X or the abundance of the same nute... maybe another flush is in order but what if the flush i did was successful and the plant is now in need of nutes and not over supplied, it is a large plant and i would think it would be feeding heavy at this point, 1/2 the recommended nutes still should be light for it at this point, no?
TheRuiner
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I am making use of just about 85% of the space in this tent with this one plant, I had to lst the lower branches back up toward the light due to sagging from bud weight, these buds are light and fluffy, that's a characteristic of this strain, but I"m hoping that having so many of them will help make up for that fact. The tallest branches are pulled cross ways (like folded arms) over the top of the plant to make it fit inside the tent and under the light, one of the side arms, from the 2nd node, is standing at 4 feet 6 inches tall, i just measured it for Daukness, it is actually so tall it has grown above the light hood. Never have i seen a plant stretch like this.
TheRuiner
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Well Water was around 150ppm's when I started.
1 gallon w/ 1/4 tsp cal-mag 6.36 ph 187ppm
1 gallon w 1/2 tsp gold standard all natural molasses 5.94 ph 158ppm
watered with good run off
Upper fan leaves are looking like they'll be on the ground in another 24 hours... poor girl.
1 gallon w/ 1/4 tsp cal-mag 6.36 ph 187ppm
1 gallon w 1/2 tsp gold standard all natural molasses 5.94 ph 158ppm
watered with good run off
Upper fan leaves are looking like they'll be on the ground in another 24 hours... poor girl.