Why are so many growers against gun ownership?

Carthoris

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Buddah, technically a rounded shovel, and a flat shovel are completely different tools. However, the round shovel and the flat shovel work exactly the same way. To most people you would say "this is a shovel" regardless of which kind it is.

Socialism and Communism are flat and rounded shovels. They do the same thing, they just call it a different name. You know what I think when I look at dark blue and navy blue? Blue, they are just slightly different shades of the same color. Expecting people to care about the difference of navy blue and dark blue is pointless, when they are almost identical is pointless.

Beyond that, society rarely remains stagnant, it always moves in some direction. Our society is moving towards socialism here in the states, and we have only been around a few hundred years as a country.

Just like gun rights, you either go one way or the other, simply because there is always someone who thinks that someone has too much or too little. This can be money, power, or rights. This is why continuing to add programs and government that have socialist overtones is purposeful traveling of the road to socialism, and in the end communism. Just like if they outlaw 30 round magazines for guns today, tomorrow they will immediately start working to ban 20 round magazines. In the political world, they passed a health care bill that screws everyone who is productive, then they immediately start working on the next screwing. How about taxes? The bottom 50 percent pay nothing(or much less than nothing, they get thousands back.. wait.. how can you get 5k back if you don't pay anything in?) and the top 50 pay all. It didn't start that way, however its getting worse and worse every year. If this road continues to be traveled, we can only end up in 1 place, commie land. Name a socialist country that isn't continuing to pass more and more laws to progress on the road to communism?


The goal of socialism is communism.
Vladimir Lenin
 

Carthoris

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If you want to be a pacifist, that's ok, I don't mind, and you doing that wont affect my life at all.

The entire point of this post was about hypocrisy of people who want their rights but refuse to acknowledge others should have the rights to things that they themselves don't agree with. If two guys want to get married and poke each other in the rear, I'm totally ok with that, I don't have to take a butt poking.. If people want to grow marijuana in their closet, I'm with you, grow baby. If you want to own a gun, go for it, pistol, rifle, whatever, go for it, buy 10, buy a MIG or a tank, what do I care, just don't be shooting at me. However some of you don't get that if you want to live your life how you want, you have to let others live their lives how they want. The issue is when a group of people decide their way of life is the only way of life and actively try to destroy all others.


PS: Id let my wife butt poke me, but she isn't very gentle. It happens.
 

doc111

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If you want to be a pacifist, that's ok, I don't mind, and you doing that wont affect my life at all.

The entire point of this post was about hypocrisy of people who want their rights but refuse to acknowledge others should have the rights to things that they themselves don't agree with. If two guys want to get married and poke each other in the rear, I'm totally ok with that, I don't have to take a butt poking.. If people want to grow marijuana in their closet, I'm with you, grow baby. If you want to own a gun, go for it, pistol, rifle, whatever, go for it, buy 10, buy a MIG or a tank, what do I care, just don't be shooting at me. However some of you don't get that if you want to live your life how you want, you have to let others live their lives how they want. The issue is when a group of people decide their way of life is the only way of life and actively try to destroy all others.


PS: Id let my wife butt poke me, but she isn't very gentle. It happens.
I don't get it either bro. People are self-centered by nature. It's all about "Me". People want to feel safe, I get that. Some feel safe with a gun under their pillow, some would feel safer with no guns around. Live and let live. :peace:
 

andar

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people who feel safe when no guns are around have an unrealistic view of life. if there were no guns people would just hurt and kill each other with other weapons like they did for thousands of years before guns were invented. its the people that need to change. the guns are a scapegoat for evil people in our society.people dont like to accept that there are still bad people in our world so they blame the guns instead of the people that use them
 

jamNburn

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Right of course it/s the evil people.. So you feel every country has the right to bear arms.. We should try counseling N korea vs. keeping them from having nukes???
 

jamNburn

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I believe in Freedom ,, But also believe in oversight for the good of society.. You know like how they dont let people under 21 buy beer.. But you can own a gun at 16... Just seems a little skewed to me.. I think guns are ok. I just have a problem with the ease of access.. And if you disagree with that your not a real advocate of guns.
 

NoDrama

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You can own a gun at age 1, age 16 is just when you can go hunting by yourself. I agree guns are super easy to get, amazing that we have so few gun related deaths each year.
 

Serapis

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You can own a gun at age 1, age 16 is just when you can go hunting by yourself. I agree guns are super easy to get, amazing that we have so few gun related deaths each year.
ROFLMAO..... Where do you live? where I'm at, we have over 100 gun deaths a year, some involving police shooting unarmed suspects. the number of juvenile gun related deaths is about 20% of that figure.
 

Johnnyorganic

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Right of course it/s the evil people.. So you feel every country has the right to bear arms.. We should try counseling N korea vs. keeping them from having nukes???
It is the evil people. Over three hundred million Americans; almost 300 million firearms. Yet only a tiny fraction of those weapons are used illegally.

According to the calculus employed by the gun control alarmists, based on the ratio of population versus the number of firearms, every street in America should be running with blood.

And as far as other countries are concerned. Who gives a fat rat's ass? The 2nd Amendment applies strictly within our boundaries.

And the topic of North Korea's nuclear arsenal is another thread.
 

andar

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Right of course it/s the evil people.. So you feel every country has the right to bear arms.. We should try counseling N korea vs. keeping them from having nukes???
i didnt say anything about the right to bear arms i said that if guns werent around people would still be killing each other. and yes it is the evil people you idiot guns dont just shoot people by themselves. they dont work until someone pulls the trigger if you didnt know that

i dont understand what your comment about north korea having nukes has to do with anything i said. north korea is a perfect example of people killing each other without guns though. their leaders dont give a shit about their people most north koreans are starving. so they are killing their people own without guns.


EDIT: looks like you beat me to it johnnyorganic
 

NoDrama

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According to official statistics, the more guns America has the less gun crimes happen. Assault weapons account for less than 2% of all firearms crimes. Fact: countries with the strictest gun control laws have the highest homicide rates. Australia and England have a near total ban on firearm ownership and have the very highest rates of robbery , sexual assault and assault with force than any of the top 20 industrialized nations. In Britain since the gun ban firearm use in a crime has DOUBLED! The top 10 countries for homicide by gun does not even include the USA. No amount of licensing, registration or gun classes will ever make a gun safer than the person who uses it. http://www.gunfacts.info/pdfs/gun-facts/5.1/gun-facts-5.1-screen.pdf

Body armor won't do you any good if the guy shooting at you has a rifle. Rifle rounds(maybe not a .17 or .22) go right through body armor. Body armor is to only protect vs handgun and knife attacks.

The first rule of a gun fight is to bring a gun, for those of you who think you are so tough and will take out a gun wielding thug with your bare hands are clearly delusional.
 

blazin256

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so since my dad owned a .38 special throughout my childhood life, does that make him a bad parent? no. him not teaching me about it would've made him bad. education not eradication.
 

NoDrama

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ROFLMAO..... Where do you live? where I'm at, we have over 100 gun deaths a year, some involving police shooting unarmed suspects. the number of juvenile gun related deaths is about 20% of that figure.
How many deaths from Heart Disease in your area? In my area we had 2 gun related deaths, ALL of them were on opening day of deer season.
 

medicineman

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It's been proven that the more guns per capita in any given area, the less crime, Criminals are just as afraid to die as you and I, well most are, there are always the crazies, even more reason to own a gun. I own a few, pistols as well as long guns and assault weapons. Every sane person should own an AK47. That would even help keep the police in line, as they fear the AK, goes right through their vests. With a pistol, one must do head shots on cops, much more difficult, not that I advocate doing this, at least not yet. If they ever storm my house, might be in the plan, and cops should be aware that storming citizens houses should be dangerous to their health. There is just way too much house storming going on over miniscule crap.
 

Johnnyorganic

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It's been proven that the more guns per capita in any given area, the less crime, Criminals are just as afraid to die as you and I, well most are, there are always the crazies, even more reason to own a gun. I own a few, pistols as well as long guns and assault weapons. Every sane person should own an AK47. That would even help keep the police in line, as they fear the AK, goes right through their vests. With a pistol, one must do head shots on cops, much more difficult, not that I advocate doing this, at least not yet. If they ever storm my house, might be in the plan, and cops should be aware that storming citizens houses should be dangerous to their health. There is just way too much house storming going on over miniscule crap.
So, at least Medman is down with one Amendment in the Bill of Rights.

Nine more to go! :fire:
 

Twistedfunk

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so since my dad owned a .38 special throughout my childhood life, does that make him a bad parent? no. him not teaching me about it would've made him bad. education not eradication.
Did he keep it where you could get to it?

I too was taught how to safely handle firearms, when I was young. As an adult, I choose to not own a gun because of the obvious dangers of keeping a weapon of such caliber in the same home as my children. Yes, a gun is a tool but its purpose is to kill. If you deny that, then you are simply lying to yourself. I feel that by owning a firearm, it is inevitable that one of my three children eventually end up with it in their hands and that is not a risk that I am willing to take. There are other methods of self defense which I choose to utilize which do not involve lethal or unnecessary force and do not expose my family to the dangers of being within close proximity of a gun.

Again with your slogans right out of the NRA propaganda machine, "education not eradication". You're preaching to the choir, guy. I don't know why you insist on trying to pick an argument with me. You seem as grumpy as that guy in your avatar.
 

blazin256

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im not picking arguments, im simply calling you out with constructive criticism. your post made it seem like you were high and mighty choosing a higher path because you dont have a gun around your children. and trust me, my thoughts come from my mind and experience not some "NRA propaganda machine". i dont know what kind of "less" lethal weapons you have, but like i said, that shit dont work on drug fueled psychos. i grew up in the south so i guess we're just more weapon smart.

and no i didn't kno where he kept it.
 

Twistedfunk

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Stun guns work on drug fueled psychos, dogs too. I too grew up in the south, where I learned to shoot. I'm still gonna call "shenanigans" when I see it. Go find someone else's dick to ride.
 

Carthoris

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So, Twisted, where do you keep your marijuana, beer, kitchen knives, power tools, ect ect ect. Do you have a security guard and a 10 foot fence around your swimming pool?

Seriously, how can you suggest guns are more dangerous than kitchen knives? The leading causes of death for children are: Cars, Swimming Pools, Fires, ATV/motorcyclesect/walking/running into stuff/unspecified/poisoning. Seriously, your bottle of ammonia is more dangerous than a gun is. Do you leave you beer in the fridge? How about knives in the kitchen drawer? If you keep your gun secure it is a million times safer than a knife in the kitchen drawer. Noone is trying to outlaw swimming pools - yet they account for 5% of childrens deaths vs .5 for firearms. Is it possible that they are using children as an excuse to be controlling of other peoples lives? Nahhhh, that couldn't happen. Pools are at least 10x's more dangerous, not to mention more people have guns than swimming pools. More restrictions on guns than pools - its obvious that its a campaign against guns and not for childrens safety. So keep on lying to yourself if it makes you feel better.
 
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