Inside Conspiracism

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
The central belief of every moron is that he is the victim of a mysterious conspiracy against his common rights and true deserts. He ascribes all his failure to get on in the world, all of his congenital incapacity and damfoolishness, to the machinations of werewolves assembled in Wall Street, or some other such den of infamy. - H.L. Mencken

Conspiracy theories are popular because no matter what they posit, they are all actually comforting, because they all are models of radical simplicity. - William Gibson

For some individuals, an obsessive compulsion to believe, prove or re-tell a conspiracy theory may indicate one or more of several well-understood psychological conditions, and other hypothetical ones: paranoia, denial, schizophrenia, mean world syndrome.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory#cite_note-30

Psychologists believe that the search for meaning is common in conspiracism and the development of conspiracy theories, and may be powerful enough alone to lead to the first formulating of the idea. Once cognized, confirmation bias and avoidance of cognitive dissonance may reinforce the belief.

Conspiratorial accounts can be emotionally satisfying when they place events in a readily-understandable, moral context. The subscriber to the theory is able to assign moral responsibility for an emotionally troubling event or situation to a clearly-conceived group of individuals. Crucially, that group does not include the believer. The believer may then feel excused of any moral or political responsibility for remedying whatever institutional or societal flaw might be the actual source of the dissonance.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory#cite_note-31

Humanistic psychologists argue that even if the cabal behind the conspiracy is almost always perceived as hostile there is, often, still an element of reassurance in it, for conspiracy theorists, in part because it is more consoling to think that complications and upheavals in human affairs, at least, are created by human beings rather than factors beyond human control. Belief in such a cabal is a device for reassuring oneself that certain occurrences are not random, but ordered by a human intelligence. This renders such occurrences comprehensible and potentially controllable. If a cabal can be implicated in a sequence of events, there is always the hope, however tenuous, of being able to break the cabal's power - or joining it and exercising some of that power oneself. Finally, belief in the power of such a cabal is an implicit assertion of human dignity - an often unconscious but necessary affirmation that man is not totally helpless, but is responsible, at least in some measure, for his own destiny.

According to one study humans apply a 'rule of thumb' by which we expect a significant event to have a significant cause. The study offered subjects four versions of events, in which a foreign president was (a) successfully assassinated, (b) wounded but survived, (c) survived with wounds but died of a heart attack at a later date, and (d) was unharmed. Subjects were significantly more likely to suspect conspiracy in the case of the 'major events' — in which the president died — than in the other cases, despite all other evidence available to them being equal. Connected with pareidolia, the genetic tendency of human beings to find patterns in coincidence, this allows the "discovery" of conspiracy in any significant event.

The furtive fallacy is an informal fallacy of emphasis. Historian David Hackett Fischer identified it as the belief that significant facts of history are necessarily sinister, and that "history itself is a story of causes mostly insidious and results mostly invidious." It is more than a conspiracy theory in that it does not merely consider the possibility of hidden motives and deeds, but insists on them. In its extreme form, the fallacy represents general paranoia.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furtive_fallacy#cite_note-fischer-0

Michael Kelly, a Washington Post journalist and critic of anti-war movements on both the left and right, coined the term "fusion paranoia" to refer to a political convergence of left-wing and right-wing activists around anti-war issues and civil liberties, which he claimed were motivated by a shared belief in conspiracism or anti-government views.

Social critics have adopted this term to refer to how the synthesis of paranoid conspiracy theories, which were once limited to American fringe audiences, has given them mass appeal and enabled them to become commonplace in mass media, thereby inaugurating an unrivaled period of people actively preparing for apocalyptic millenarian scenarios in the United States of the late 20th and early 21st centuries. They warn that this development may not only fuel lone wolf terrorism but have devastating effects on American political life, such as the rise of a revolutionary right-wing populist movement capable of subverting the established political powers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furtive_fallacy#cite_note-fischer-0
 

AzNsOuLjAh27

New Member
do you believe that America infected 400 black People with syphilis from 1932 and 1972, and then let them spread it around by not telling they they were giving the virus? Is this a conspiracy? Or here is another one. Gulf of Tonkin, I'm going to tell it was completly made (which you will consider a conspiracy, but our own government declassified that it was a complete hoax to trick the American people into fighting a war). Is this true or is this a conspiracy that led to 500,000 dead Americans.
 

doc111

Well-Known Member
The central belief of every moron is that he is the victim of a mysterious conspiracy against his common rights and true deserts. He ascribes all his failure to get on in the world, all of his congenital incapacity and damfoolishness, to the machinations of werewolves assembled in Wall Street, or some other such den of infamy. - H.L. Mencken

Conspiracy theories are popular because no matter what they posit, they are all actually comforting, because they all are models of radical simplicity. - William Gibson

For some individuals, an obsessive compulsion to believe, prove or re-tell a conspiracy theory may indicate one or more of several well-understood psychological conditions, and other hypothetical ones: paranoia, denial, schizophrenia, mean world syndrome.

Psychologists believe that the search for meaning is common in conspiracism and the development of conspiracy theories, and may be powerful enough alone to lead to the first formulating of the idea. Once cognized, confirmation bias and avoidance of cognitive dissonance may reinforce the belief.

Conspiratorial accounts can be emotionally satisfying when they place events in a readily-understandable, moral context. The subscriber to the theory is able to assign moral responsibility for an emotionally troubling event or situation to a clearly-conceived group of individuals. Crucially, that group does not include the believer. The believer may then feel excused of any moral or political responsibility for remedying whatever institutional or societal flaw might be the actual source of the dissonance.

Humanistic psychologists argue that even if the cabal behind the conspiracy is almost always perceived as hostile there is, often, still an element of reassurance in it, for conspiracy theorists, in part because it is more consoling to think that complications and upheavals in human affairs, at least, are created by human beings rather than factors beyond human control. Belief in such a cabal is a device for reassuring oneself that certain occurrences are not random, but ordered by a human intelligence. This renders such occurrences comprehensible and potentially controllable. If a cabal can be implicated in a sequence of events, there is always the hope, however tenuous, of being able to break the cabal's power - or joining it and exercising some of that power oneself. Finally, belief in the power of such a cabal is an implicit assertion of human dignity - an often unconscious but necessary affirmation that man is not totally helpless, but is responsible, at least in some measure, for his own destiny.

According to one study humans apply a 'rule of thumb' by which we expect a significant event to have a significant cause. The study offered subjects four versions of events, in which a foreign president was (a) successfully assassinated, (b) wounded but survived, (c) survived with wounds but died of a heart attack at a later date, and (d) was unharmed. Subjects were significantly more likely to suspect conspiracy in the case of the 'major events' — in which the president died — than in the other cases, despite all other evidence available to them being equal. Connected with pareidolia, the genetic tendency of human beings to find patterns in coincidence, this allows the "discovery" of conspiracy in any significant event.

The furtive fallacy is an informal fallacy of emphasis. Historian David Hackett Fischer identified it as the belief that significant facts of history are necessarily sinister, and that "history itself is a story of causes mostly insidious and results mostly invidious." It is more than a conspiracy theory in that it does not merely consider the possibility of hidden motives and deeds, but insists on them. In its extreme form, the fallacy represents general paranoia.

Michael Kelly, a Washington Post journalist and critic of anti-war movements on both the left and right, coined the term "fusion paranoia" to refer to a political convergence of left-wing and right-wing activists around anti-war issues and civil liberties, which he claimed were motivated by a shared belief in conspiracism or anti-government views.

Social critics have adopted this term to refer to how the synthesis of paranoid conspiracy theories, which were once limited to American fringe audiences, has given them mass appeal and enabled them to become commonplace in mass media, thereby inaugurating an unrivaled period of people actively preparing for apocalyptic millenarian scenarios in the United States of the late 20th and early 21st centuries. They warn that this development may not only fuel lone wolf terrorism but have devastating effects on American political life, such as the rise of a revolutionary right-wing populist movement capable of subverting the established political powers.
Thank you for posting something to counter all of these damn conspiracy threads! :clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
do you believe that America infected 400 black People with syphilis from 1932 and 1972, and then let them spread it around by not telling they they were giving the virus? Is this a conspiracy? OR what about Gulf of Tonkin, I'm going to tell it was completly made. Is this true or is this a conspiracy that led to 500,000 dead Americans.
i have long since read about the tuskegee experiments, and don't need you here to 'enlighten me'. i have also noticed how you had the incomplete story in other threads, and also refuse to answer any of my questions to you that cause you the least bit of cognitive dissonance.

this is not a thread about the tuskegee experiments or the gulf of tonkin, but rather the mindset of folks like yourself. what do you think of the OP?
 

AzNsOuLjAh27

New Member
no did the American people infect 400 people with syphilis from 1932 and 1972, and then let them spread it around by not telling they they were giving the virus? is this a conspiracy or a declassified fact?

Just like how you know this is real, there are people who are reading this thinking is a conspiracy, and that is where the conspiracy lies. If you do not research the shit I'm saying that it should be a conspiracy.
__
Here's a more recent example of a "Conspiracy Theory" there were bombs inside the WTC buildings. And are the clips inside this video "Conspiracy Theory's" or a facts of the events that took place.

[video=youtube;8n-nT-luFIw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n-nT-luFIw[/video]
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
Thank you for posting something to counter all of these damn conspiracy threads! :clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:
i'm not trying to counter anyone, per se....conpiracy theories have their place and many of them, by themselves, stand as fact.

i simply believe that certain people who live their lives like certain posters here truly do need therapy and counseling. i believe it would benefit them greatly in their personal lives, as well as save a little space on this forum for topics that we don't already all know about.
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
no did the American people infect 400 people with syphilis from 1932 and 1972, and then let them spread it around by not telling they they were giving the virus? is this a conspiracy or a declassified fact?
i already replied to you: THIS IS NOT A FUCKING TUSKEGEE EXPERIMENT THREAD.

if you want to discuss that, start your 487th thread about it.

i will ask you once again, since you did not answer me the first time: WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE OP?
 

AzNsOuLjAh27

New Member
watch if i start a tuskeege post people will say that its a conspiracy 400 people WERE NOT infected with syphalis and sent back home to spread it around. this expiriement was a conspiracy that never happend.
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
watch if i start a tuskeege post people will say that its a conspiracy 400 people WERE NOT infected with syphalis and sent back home to spread it around. this expiriement was a conspiracy that never happend.
way to sidestep weighing in on the OP. for the THIRD TIME....THIS IS NOT A THREAD ABOUT THE TUSKEGEE EXPERIMENTS,THIS IS ABOUT THE MINDSET OF PEOPLE LIKE YOURSELF. so for the third time, do you have any opinion whatsoever about the OP?
 

AzNsOuLjAh27

New Member
do you believe American scientists radiated 60 children to death in a radiation expiriement in the 70's? or is this conspiracy? If I were to tell you that Gulf of Tonkin never happend would you believe me or call me a conspiracy theorist? Or that the fact that they know MSG, Aspertame and all these types of chemicles cause cancer to organ failure (and they know this) would you call me a conspiracy thoerist?
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
do you believe American scientists radiated 60 children to death in a radiation expiriement in the 70's? or is this conspiracy? If I were to tell you that Gulf of Tonkin never happend would you believe me or call me a conspiracy theorist? Or that the fact that they know MSG, Aspertame and all these types of chemicles cause cancer to organ failure (and they know this) would you call me a conspiracy thoerist?
for the fourth time: you already have a litany of threads about these things....go debate them there.

for the fourth time: do you have any opinion about the OP?
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
what is the op?
OP = original post

you must not be very good at reading things within context (which would help explain the absurd degree to which you believe in even the most radical and unproven of conspiracy theories), because i alluded to this the very first time and third time i asked you:

this is not a thread about the tuskegee experiments or the gulf of tonkin, but rather the mindset of folks like yourself. what do you think of the OP?

THIS IS ABOUT THE MINDSET OF PEOPLE LIKE YOURSELF. so for the third time, do you have any opinion whatsoever about the OP?

edit - jesus christ, can you stop posting the same bunch of youtube videos already? for fuck sake
 

beardo

Well-Known Member
since you did not answer me the first time: WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE OP?
I guess he doesn't want to answer. My feelings are that the problem is a lack of intrest among the people. as you stated some 'conspiracys' are really facts and some are Consppppppiracys and some are crazy. the problem is that people lump them all together...most people think anyone who belives or talks about these things is crazy or dumb. and most people are to dumb or lazy to research anything on their own. most people dont care about politics or history wich is scary in and of itself. Whitey Bulger working with the FBI is a fact...Area 51 is a consperiacy?....and the Reptilian shape shifting theory is crazy..but most people wont bother to diferentiate....If you tell someone that the CIA helped Rick Ross to flood America with crack you might as well be talking about bigfoot. The problem is ! your unlikely to find any new converts....most who care have looked into these things...and most of those who haven't wont. and 2...eventhough their probably is a N.W.O. evil bilderberg globalist agenda...even if you know it....so what.....sometimes being a sheep isn't so bad
 

AzNsOuLjAh27

New Member
oo the opp was saying that conspiracy theorists need a way to explain shit that happens, or something i didn't get to read it cuz i was smokin a little something, basically it was talkin about how conspiracy thoerists are just dumb people with looking for something to do. Something probobly along those lines.
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
I guess he doesn't want to answer. My feelings are that the problem is a lack of intrest among the people. as you stated some 'conspiracys' are really facts and some are Consppppppiracys and some are crazy. the problem is that people lump them all together...most people think anyone who belives or talks about these things is crazy or dumb. and most people are to dumb or lazy to research anything on their own. most people dont care about politics or history wich is scary in and of itself. Whitey Bulger working with the FBI is a fact...Area 51 is a consperiacy?....and the Reptilian shape shifting theory is crazy..but most people wont bother to diferentiate....If you tell someone that the CIA helped Rick Ross to flood America with crack you might as well be talking about bigfoot. The problem is ! your unlikely to find any new converts....most who care have looked into these things...and most of those who haven't wont. and 2...eventhough their probably is a N.W.O. evil bilderberg globalist agenda...even if you know it....so what.....sometimes being a sheep isn't so bad
thank you for a well thought out answer.

you have several points here....people who believe in one conspiracy are more likely to believe in others. people who don't believe in conspiracies are less likely to believe in others.

i would rephrase 'sometimes being a sheep isn't so bad' to something along the lines of 'what the fuck are you going to do about it? all you can really do is be aware, live your life as a good person, and fight for what you think is right'.

certainly, cluttering this section with headlines like 'bpa turns boys gay' and running with it like it is some grand conspiracy rather than a product of awareness thanks to emerging science (which corporations are already switching away from) is probably not the best bet. and certainly, railing about how the government created aids to get rid of undesirables while completely ignoring safe sex education and handing out of condoms in public schools and planned parenthood is a sure way to demonstrate an inability to handle cognitive dissonance.

now i'm rambling
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
oo the opp was saying that conspiracy theorists need a way to explain shit that happens, or something i didn't get to read it cuz i was smokin a little something, basically it was talkin about how conspiracy thoerists are just dumb people with looking for something to do. Something probobly along those lines.
why don't you actually go back and read it? because that is certainly not what it says.

i honestly think you need therapy, and so does my wife, a phd in psychology. your midset is not healthy.
 

beardo

Well-Known Member
oo the opp was saying that conspiracy theorists need a way to explain shit that happens, or something i didn't get to read it cuz i was smokin a little something, basically it was talkin about how conspiracy thoerists are just dumb people with looking for something to do. Something probobly along those lines.
Ha Ha HA im laughing so hard i cant breath...I was kind of with you ....but you posted 40 hrs of youtube video for us to watch but cant read his post...and your in his thread? and by your responces to some posts in other threads i could tell you either wern't reading or wernt understanding other peoples posts. The most important thing in a debate or argument is to listen to the other side and their points facts and opions....you have 2 eyes and 2 ears but only 1 mouth for a reason
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
Ha Ha HA im laughing so hard i cant breath...I was kind of with you ....but you posted 40 hrs of youtube video for us to watch but cant read his post...and your in his thread? and by your responces to some posts in other threads i could tell you either wern't reading or wernt understanding other peoples posts. The most important thing in a debate or argument is to listen to the other side and their points facts and opions....you have 2 eyes and 2 ears but only 1 mouth for a reason
you have earned my respect back to such an extent that i am changing my signature. i am pretty sure a lot of the stuff you post is a joke for your own amusement anyway, andy kaufman style. i will also give you whatever tiny amount of rep i carry with me.
 
Top