top to bottom, california has some pretty great growing conditions. give a smoker 25 sq ft and some cali sunshine, and they can grow a year's worth for damn cheap and never touch a dispensary.
ANYBODY can get a card in Cali...My doc thinks I should have 18 flowering plants...If I lived where it was possible, my garden could be 18 times what prop 19 limits us to...I am also not limited as to where and with whom I can smoke.
i am glad you are for moving the cause forward, and i respect your open mindedness about the debate.ANYBODY can get a card in Cali...My doc thinks I should have 18 flowering plants...If I lived where it was possible, my garden could be 18 times what prop 19 limits us to...I am also not limited as to where and with whom I can smoke.
I would love to be a part of moving this cause forward! It has been a dream of mine since before most people on here where born, and currently it is very close...HOWEVER!!!! This proposition only appears to move the cause forward, when in fact it is a huge step backwards for growers and smokers alike unless you are one of the few who get all their ducks...or more appropriately duckets in a row and become an approved commercial grower...well then this is the greatest thing ever!
Cannabis is wonderful...it is beneficial for many things. No one doubts that it is also a wonder drug, improving the quality of life for the severely ill, who usually get donated meds.
My current doc charges $100...nowadays this is at the high end...you can do it for half that...but my doc is cool and I probably will not change.
Just what makes one "serious enough" about cannabis?
I suppose that was a poor choice of words...I guess I feel like anybody that supports this piece of sh!t proposition is either dreaming of being one of the few licensed suppliers, or the casual or recreational smoker...not someone who depends on cannabis for their sanity or to keep from taking opiates...
In my 27 years of buying pot...I have bought very little "cartel" pot. Oh sure back in the 80's in the midwest, that brick weed may have been smuggled by some highly organized drug gang that took the moral high ground and refused to sell government white powder drugs, with all the profit associated with them and chose to stick to bulky $50/pound brown weed...out of principle...But by the time it got to me it was usually somebodies older brother, or the kid that dropped out a few years back, or often a young couple with kids.
The relatively few times I have been in a situation...on the bad side of town...to buy from some stranger...it was always sh!t and short...I guess I have stayed off the street corners and dealt with long hairs playing rock and roll...my gang!
Now that I am old...and look more than a touch "uncool" I did get introduced to a Philippino dude that charged too much and talked about his days in some street gang...this was always amusing as he can't be a hair over 5 ft...now his buds were often lame, always overpriced, but usually from local growers...This gangsta did motivate me, through his 55 dolla 3.3g bags to have my "ahha" moment and look into growing legally while not limiting my intake as much which has been much better for my health and those around me
Prop 19 is a joke. It will not pass. I am very sorry it made it to the ballot.
Jack Herrer was vehemently opposed to prop 19...for good reason!
poppycock. i'm sure plenty of medical patients support prop 19. prop 19 does not take 215 off the books either...so i'm not sure where you get this feeling that it is detrimental to medical patients.
prop 19 is as real as night and day, and consistently polls ahead... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_19#Polls
he was also against 215 and 420 initially. he never lived to see this thing get on the ballot. if he did, chances are he would have called for an end to the bickering and rallied to get this to pass. as soon as it passed, he would have urged us to keep going further ahead....at least, that is what those him knew him best, his family, are saying....
hard to tell what you're saying hre...you must be plenty blazed.I am all FOR bringing back "poppycock"...med patient for this prop, just have not read it...yet. Who would suspect it would be junk? A local MMJ Doc was on Fox this morning and spoke against it because it would give the local yokals more power to restrict access.
It matters not if anyone supports SB 420...it was not up for a vote...and was illegal.
Jack Herrer did not share the feelings of his family on prop 19
well, that totally proves me wrong.OMG.
Uh... last time I checked, Prop 19 is about casual or recreational use, and nothing to do with one's sanity or keeping off of opiates.
I am an extremely "serious" user, meaning that I do need pot for sanity (not to mention the ability to walk most days) and as an alternative to opiates (I have severe reactions to those, so staying away from them is not an option). Thing is, I don't have the attitude of, "I gots mine, so screw the rest of you." So in other words, one must either be a medical user or else someone who wants to deal with the black market in order to be serious about pot? Gimme a break!By the time it got to you, you were still funding the highly organized drug gang. Referring to obtaining it from somebody's older brother or the kid that dropped out a few years back or the young couple with kids doesn't make the black market sound glamorous, nor does it make you as the buyer altruistic. My point is that by willingly supporting the black market to continue so that a dropout can make a few quick bucks, you are willingly supporting the cartels and any other "highly organized" drug gang. Not to mention the fact that not everyone has the luxury of only having to deal with real gang bangers in order to obtain pot only a relatively few times. When I say that the cartels and gangs control pot in my area, that's exactly what I mean. Oh, I could get it from a 14 yr. old if I don't want to deal with gang bangers, but for some reason I simply won't deal with a child dealing drugs (who obtained it from the gangs). So those are the choices most people get around here: deal with the gangs, or deal with children. Unless you happen to have a friend that is a medical grower... because that's the other controlling faction in So. CA now.
What, did he vehemently oppose Prop 19 from his grave? I love it when people make this claim.
How can you all know what he thought and felt about something that came along after the man died, not to mention know more about what he'd say and do about it than his own family does? Furthermore, WTH do so many people deify him? He isn't a god. He was a simple man who had a tremendous dream... one that he tried to bring to fruition for decades and never succeeded. Pipe dreams are pleasant within one's mind, but they remain pipe dreams.Lots of respect to you, Abe. 'Nuff said.
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In our defense all we have to do to run all the prohibitionists off is ask them to show us the part of prop 19 that proves their claims. That makes them go away pretty quick.
Richard Lee is a dispensary owner. People are giving their money to "the few Richard Lee's" right now.
Those are the people who stand to lose money if prop 19 passes right? That is why they are against prop19 right? So yes, they are against prop 19 because they are getting paid now, why would they want competition?
You can still provide medicine to 215 patients if prop 19 passes. That vet will still be able to access medicine. The only difference is that vet probably won't have to pay a 1000% markup on his medicine. Why is that a bad thing?
Show me specifically where prop 19 imposes a tax that is currently not allowed now. Any tax. Pick one. If prop 19 adds all these new taxes and fees you're talking about this should be easy for you.
Show me what part of prop 19 reduces access to patients in LA, SD, or anywhere else.
And Jack's family have stated that he was against prop 19 in the beginning as a method of trying to get prop 19 changed into a more liberal policy. They said he would have supported it in the end. Jack Herer's family have specifically asked people not to use his name to oppose prop 19. You are going against the wishes of his family right now.
If you were a realist you would be citing parts of prop 19 you had a problem with. Instead you are making baseless claims not supported by the legal facts of prop 19.
I'm not rich. I'm just your average medical vendor who works hard and plans for the future. You or anyone else in California is allowed to do the same thing.
Which is also true now! In fact bringing 1 gram with you is illegal now! Unless you are a medical patient then that limit has zero effect on you. And yes, I can prove that to you if you like.
lol. If you're any good at growing at all it should be pretty easy to pull enough out of that area for you and your friends. I average pulling over a pound out of a 16sq ft tray. That's 50% less space than a 25sq ft tray. That's really not enough for personal use? lol
That's funny you attacked my character first
I'm not...I can't afford enough light and 16sqft is actually 36% less than 25sqft.
