*Vertical* 2,000watts = 6lbs!!

[GreenLight]

Alright Im getting rid of the bad bad girls in the batch... it took me like 2 days to convince my better half that pretty things can be evil... Im sure all you guys can agree remembering a girlfriend or 2. Going to clone the good AK moms I have and hope for a better grow the next time around.

 

[daddychrisg]

Becareful out there... pinching nut sacs may not solve the problem.

LOL, just don't pinch to hard!

 

[GreenLight]

Ah what a mess I've had these past few days. It's taken me a while but I'm back with the numbers. I just got a little down when things went wrong and didn't feel like posting anything. So here we go $$$$$$$ time...

I saved myself about $200 bux here and there but did not apply this to the final price tag of the vertical grow. All $ amounts are based on what I found or believed is the standard to pay for something, If you think I made any mistake please let me know.

Cool Tube $340
Main Material $196
Drywall 1/4", 2x4s,Wood4Shelves
Paint/Primer $88
Misc $1,012
(See list below)
2 Ballast Cords $30
2 Ballasts $190
2 Lights Bulbs (1000w) $120
Panda $90
ONA $36
50' Wire $52
CO2 System $265
(Tank & Regulator)
Total! $2,419($2,420?!)

MISC
Screws
Paint Brushes
Rollers/Tray
Drywall Mud
Drop Cloth (Painting)
Caulking
Shelf Brackets
5Gal Buckets
Ducting
Electric Wiring
Socket Boxes
Potting Soil
Shims
Duct Tape
Wire Nuts
Wire Cutters
Staples
Timer
Electric Tester
Fans
Vermiculite
Perilite
Spackling (patch holes)
Probably some other stuff

(Items not included: Blowers, Carbon scrubber, ducting, A/C Unit, All items in Veg Closet)

I already had some of this around the house but I decided to include it all.

So in TOTAL! The Vertical growing system shouldn't cost you more than 3 grand. I know this is a lot of money to some people, I guarantee if you think so this may not be for you. We redesigned the original plans the cheap way. And on top of it you would have to have an extra 10'x10' room somewhere available to you. Its a new way of setting up so you can expect some draw backs in the learning experience. I think if I had to do it again I still would. It's been great!

I'm not saying I condone it but if you had too you could sell one harvest and cover your costs easily. Then again you could just store everything you grow and depending on how much you smoke you will save it all in the long run.

I already know that this room design works to get 6lbs from 2,000 watts. Now the questions will be, will the adjustments I have made change the outcome?
1. Addition of Co2
2. Addition of Bloom boosters
3. Addition of an extra level of shelving
4. More plants to fill up extra shelf

Let’s hope for the best. I have 72 Ak-47 Clones in the dome and they should hopefully harvest by mid April... so by then we should know what you can really kick out of this design!

 

[skunkushybrid]

Yup, those costs soon mount up. My first grow i outlayed £1000... overspent, I agree but i was newb back then.

 

[natmoon]

People have every right to sell their weed to people that want it.
The herb is not an insidious drug in any way shape or form imo anyway.
Our basic human rights are being impeached upon.
I for one am bloody furious that i cannot buy some smoke from sainsburys yet i can buy 3 packs of paracetamol and a trolley full of whiskey with no probs
I am also furious that i could never sell my own herb or seeds to anyone without facing jail.
I cant wait till i have enough money to move to Amsterdam then all i have to do is hope that they will actually allow me to emigrate there.

If there were no dealers people with ms,cancer aids etc. many of whom are physically unable to grow their own would have no medicine at all.

You shouldn't have to condone or otherwise the selling of weed but only realize that even we as tokers have been conditioned into thinking it is ok to kill yourself with whiskey and pills from the corner shop and pay taxes one last time before we die but that it is somehow bad to buy or sell or toke on an eighth of gods herb.

Be safe but dont let them condition you into thinking that it really is wrong to have buy or sell a smoke.
God made this herb for us to bring us all back together and to heal our minds bodys and souls.

 

[sleepytown]

Wow, I saw a lot of vertical grows on other sites when I was gathering ScrOG info, and it's awesome that we are getting some representation here finally. The yields can be ridiculous from what I have seen elsewhere. If I had the vertical space, I'd totally be going for it. I look forward to watching this grow. It is such a great way to pull out excellent yields with a low plant count; which is definitely appealing to us legal and illegal growers alike. Get some clones! Looking awesome, though, GreenLight. You and your husband seem to be taking this grow seriously.

S-Town

P.S. Where did you get that gigantic glass piece? (the cooltube)

 

[GreenLight]

Sleepy- Thank you for joining in the fun, you can have your local hydro store order a cool tube for you but I would highly recommend buying individual cool tubes so that you can stack your lights as far apart as you want and both pointing down. I doubt I am loosing much light but I wish I would have considered this before buying the big 5 ft tube!
Natmoon- Goodness my friend calm down a minute. If you read it correctly I am clearly implying only that selling your first harvest will pay for this in clear and leave you some extra. My thread is based on how to increase your yield/watt ratio not how to make more $$, Don’t get on my case because I choose not to flat out say HEY you can make X amount in ONE GROW!. If anything I wouldn’t have said it at all if I didn’t think that it would be helpful to some people to know that I have looked at the numbers enough to know there is no real immediate loss. I agree with you that it is sad that marijuana is illegal, but it doesn’t make it anymore of a reality.
You should be glad that not everyone will openly talk about selling illegally on this forum; Up until money becomes involved we can plead our case as harmless hobbyists. Once money comes into the picture the danger grows for everyone in our community. I guarantee that if you could make high quality whiskey in your bathtub and sell it tax free that the government would be after you too. Better to be safe than sorry and that applies even online.

 

[natmoon]

Comments were not aimed directly at you but based on the attitude that selling herb is morally wrong.
I have nothing but respect for you sorry if it appeared otherwise.

 

[GreenLight]

Well sorry for the misunderstanding then, I do not believe selling anything that you've created is morally wrong. I do respect your opinion, where I'm from its just a scary world and we preserve our freedom in any means possible.

 

[natmoon]

Yeah man its easy for me to forget about your country's and different states draconian laws on weed.
I have to always remind myself that people here are mostly Americans i always forget now.
When i first came here i didn't but now i do.
Be safe

 

[kochab]

ive thought about other ways to do vertical grows small op but nothing to this scale. good job. im gonna keep up with this one....
then i might make a sog prepetual grow........ it would really pull all i can out of a 400watt light.......

 

[skunkushybrid]

Yeah, sog is my next move too. Best way to grow, imo.

 

[GreenLight]

Welcome Kochab.
GL on your SOG!

I wanted to try all sorts of new things since my first grow didnt work out for me too well. But I am trying to keep everything as close to the original plans as possible so that I can find out if I can infact get more than 6lbs with adding a shelf and some co2. I guess for a real expirement though I would have to add in each variable seperatly, but that would take too long. If I become too impatient then I may just to do a VSCROG! Vertical Screen of Green. I know you all were thinking it at some point, one of the pictures on my insperational vertical grows is just a small CFL grow some dutch guy did but that would be my general idea. Let them go for longer time and build a giant fence around my 2k lights.

Oh the ideas... you figure it would be enough that I had a room this big built, but with this much space you cant help want to fiddle.

*loving it*

 

[skunkushybrid]

Welcome Kochab.
GL on your SOG!

I wanted to try all sorts of new things since my first grow didnt work out for me too well. But I am trying to keep everything as close to the original plans as possible so that I can find out if I can infact get more than 6lbs with adding a shelf and some co2. I guess for a real expirement though I would have to add in each variable seperatly, but that would take too long. If I become too impatient then I may just to do a VSCROG! Vertical Screen of Green. I know you all were thinking it at some point, one of the pictures on my insperational vertical grows is just a small CFL grow some dutch guy did but that would be my general idea. Let them go for longer time and build a giant fence around my 2k lights.

Oh the ideas... you figure it would be enough that I had a room this big built, but with this much space you cant help want to fiddle.

*loving it*

You're so lucky, I have to crawl commando-like through my flowering area... literally right underneath branches sometimes.

This is why I feel sog will be the best option. I also want to breed strains at the same time, and if I do it right I think I can manage to do both all in one flower room.

 

[kochab]

ive had a sog setup for a while now i just want to convert it to more prepetual than it is. i harvest all kinds of random times, never the same time. lol.
whats all this welcome shit? n/o intended but im 5 post away from having 1000 post. dosent that give me some credit as an established member? if not i can add that this isnt even my first account......
oh nevermind fuck you too! I dont want any of your jewish candy anyways.......lol

but yeah if i use a 400watt light that i have now i could probably put 12 plants on that light if i used a 4ft by 4ft cab/shelf type deal.... 2shelves with 2 plants apeice per wall should be alright i suppose....

may i suggest putting them in a brickwork pattern so that when they get larger in flower they dont grow out around the shelf and block light going to another plant....

 

[skunkushybrid]

hey kochab, i think she meant welcome to her thread...

Yes, more perpetual. i had myself a system all figured out. Simple enough, I just messed it all up with experiments and deciding to 'take a break'. Now I got lots of catching up to do.

 

[GreenLight]

You're so lucky, I have to crawl commando-like through my flowering area... literally right underneath branches sometimes.

This is why I feel sog will be the best option. I also want to breed strains at the same time, and if I do it right I think I can manage to do both all in one flower room.

I am half way through with your Root vs Growth thread and I am very interested in your methods of experimentation. The more I read the more I agree with how you do things and your views, I believe some people allow txt to rule their progress. No harm in believing in science but that doesnt mean everything is written in stone and we should be able to continue to find new ways of doing things especially when cultivation in concerned. This is why I was so active in the mushroom community when I was younger, I find people there are much more interested in testing theories and trying out random things. I hope that we can get to this point with the cannabis community, if not there will always be people like you to give me some good reading material when I cant sleep. I very much wish you had more space to conduct your experiments more comfortably, I feel very spoiled in that I have almost always had the space i desired but only recently found I am being held back by my power consumption. For about 2 years I was constricted by neither but had settled into the comfort of my normal harvest and lost my natural interest in experimentation. Is it legal to grow where you are? I need to move, the US and me dont get along too well.

whats all this welcome shit? n/o intended but im 5 post away from having 1000 post. dosent that give me some credit as an established member? if not i can add that this isnt even my first account......

WTF is with the agro people on this thread. How about welcome to the "thread" why would someone with 1/10 as many posts as you be welcoming you to the site?

oh nevermind fuck you too! I dont want any of your jewish candy anyways.......lol

I am so confused. Go smoke a joint

 

[skunkushybrid]

I'm still using those pots. 500ml. Just had the 2 UV plants show sex after 4 weeks veg 24/0, one of each. I'm going to continue this experiment through flower, but I can only guarantee that their main source of light will be UV, as I'll doubtless be having a decent flowering crop coming through soon.

they're a breeding pair but the seed will be original, and I'm hoping more potent (potential) than their parents.

I'm sure kochab tried to make a joke, and it got twisted up. at least, that's how it seems to me. The internet is a place without tone, even 'lol' can be read in different ways.

 

[GIJoe8383]

seen it already

 

[Bear's Blunts]

wow this looks very cool , and a very good thread.