Advanced Nutrients Vs House and Garden Vs GH : RESULTS ARE IN !

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dlively11

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I'll make this short but sweet. I have been running 3 tables with all three nutes. Same room same exact lighting etc. Have run multiple rounds now and run multiple strains to compare .

Setup ;

4X4 Ebb and Flow tables

5 inch pots Hydroton

1000 watt Hortilux bulbs all bought at the same time.

LOTS of fresh air being forced into room no CO2. Been there done that and too much PITA for this old guy.

I rotated the nutrients from each table for a total of three rounds to make sure it was consistent.

Plants all taken from same mothers by myself. Grown SOG 4 per Square foot. Switched at the same size 6-7 inches tall. All vegged with same nutes under same 600 watt tray then moved to flowering trays.

Strains grown are as follows;

Super Skunk
Cheese
Blue Dream
Agent Orange
Ice
Chronic White Widow

These are my results and honestly I am very surprised at them.

#1 Advanced Nutrients Sensi Bloom A&B, Floralicious Plus, MOAB bloom booster,Gravity, Ultra Snow Storm

Most expensive by far. Will run you $80 to treat about 250 gallons. I bought 6 gallons of each for $299 total and you use 3 teaspoons per gallon .

Results ; Great, very easy to grow with the stuff very tolerant to PH fluctuations no deficiencies. Good yields and good quality. No complaints other then price.



#2 House and Garden Aqua Flakes A & B , Floralicious Plus, MOAB bloom booster,Gravity, Ultra Snow Storm

Much cheaper then Advanced. Nearly half the cost. 5 gallons of each cost me $179 . You only use 2 teaspoons per gallon with this one max.

Results;

Main thing I noticed was plants didnt stretch much. Plants were much shorter then the Advanced plants. They grew very well and very dense but dont expect nearly the same kind of stretch. PH drops like a rock sometimes I have noticed so beware. Once I had 3.5 PH after adding the stuff. Other times just normal drop.:? Everything grows great. Quality on par with AN. Not quite as easy as the AN and shorter plants. Despite the savings I wont be using it anymore personally. I really dont like how much shorter then plants stayed. I need stretch for my type of growing. Lower yield then the AN but very fat plants. Was pleased over all.



#3 GH Maxi Bloom powder , Floralicious Plus, MOAB bloom booster,Gravity, Ultra Snow Storm

CHEAP CHEAP and EASY !! :mrgreen: You can buy a 2 pound sack of the stuff for $15. You need 2 teaspoons per gallon for full strength so about 200 gallons for $15 worth ! :blsmoke:
You can also get this in 16 lb tub for $100.


Results;

Love how easy this stuff is to use. No dealing with spills and the hassle of moving 5-6 gal jugs around. Dilutes very quickly. PH is nice and stable. Doesn't burn at full strength and plants love it ! Stretch is like the Advanced when you use 50% Maxi Grow 50% Maxibloom the first week of bloom. Shit grows great with this stuff ! I was not expecting this and didnt want to post about this until I knew for certain. Totally blew me away. Got better results with this then either of the other two. Buds are significantly larger and actually produced more trichomes :joint: Largest yield of the three. Yes the cheap shit beat the other two in every way that matters ! :confused: Did I mention I was surprised to see this outcome ?


Lastly I throw this out there just for fun. I was able to get 30 grams per plant with my Chronic White Widow strain at 4 per square foot. No CO2. Great yielding Strain, good nute lineup, good air movement and lighting. Totally doable up to 1600 grams per light or 3.5 lbs ! :hump: For those gram per watt junkies that is 1.6 grams per watt. I give most the credit to that particular strain. Ice does almost as well but the rest fall to 20 grams per plant range.

So the moral of this story is you dont HAVE to buy expensive fancy bottled nutes to have great results . I was all sold on AN when I started hydro almost a year ago and now I know the truth. FYI been doing indoor growing for 5 years so not a new grower at all.

:joint: Peace :joint:
 

supdro

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great results... what was the 3rd nutrient? i am not fimiliar with that one. i am currently using house and garden now. i like them better than botanicare but i want a good cheap nute that is easy. and $15 sounds great!!!
 

racerboy71

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his number three is gh, or general hydroponics..
great test and great results.. i love when people do the side by side comparisons so that i don't have to, lmao..
i do believe the results though.. i had bought my first grow right used and the dude through in five gallon jugs of gh micro and grow, and i bought the bloom myself.. my friend finally talked my into believin that i shouldn't use hydro nutes in soil and sold me on the fox farms line.. i noticed more defiecencies and had just more issues in general than i did when i used the gh nutes imo..
 

homebrewer

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Nice comparison. I like these sorts of tests as I'm currently testing DynaGro against GH. I love GH but hate the number of bottles I use.
 

dlively11

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Nice comparison. I like these sorts of tests as I'm currently testing DynaGro against GH. I love GH but hate the number of bottles I use.
Try this Maxibloom I used in this test. No bottles and no two part system just one powder to use. I like adding the Flo Plus the entire run but I am sure it would work great without it as well. Glad some people are getting to see they dont always have to buy the expensive stuff to get the same or better results. First few times I grew hydro I used AN I thought it was due to using AN. Now I know better and have more money in my pocket.
 

OZUT

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Not to knock this bro, but all you compared were bases. You can't really consider this a true comparison of 3 different nutes. You would be surprised at your results if you really did a brand comparison actually using each brand on a separate tray using that brands line up. reps for the putting the time to experiment.
 

homebrewer

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Not to knock this bro, but all you compared were bases. You can't really consider this a true comparison of 3 different nutes. You would be surprised at your results if you really did a brand comparison actually using each brand on a separate tray using that brands line up. reps for the putting the time to experiment.
If a base nute line isn't representative of particular brand, then I don't know what is. :roll:
 

OZUT

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If a base nute line isn't representative of particular brand, then I don't know what is. :roll:
You're kidding right? The base is very important but to say a base alone is a representative of it's entire line and to think that it should give comparable results when used alone with additives from another brand is just dumb....First off it's not a base nute line, it's just the base of a specific brand. 2nd, you can't claim to do a comparison of 3 different brands by just switching the base and then claiming one brand is better than the other. 3rd, do you think AN or H&G is so well received just because of their base? Obviously not. They're well received because of their "line". Because of their additives and overall package. I personally run H&G. I like the results I get by using not just their base but their additives as well. I can claim I run H&G. Someone that just uses an AN base can't claim they run AN because they don't. They simple use their base....that's it...

Like I said, I don't want to knock the guy's experiment because he took the time to compare 3 different products and I gave him reps for that. But he can't claim he compared 3 different nutrient lines because he didn't do that.
 

homebrewer

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You're kidding right? The base is very important but to say a base alone is a representative of it's entire line and to think that it should give comparable results when used alone with additives from another brand is just dumb....First off it's not a base nute line, it's just the base of a specific brand. 2nd, you can't claim to do a comparison of 3 different brands by just switching the base and then claiming one brand is better than the other. 3rd, do you think AN or H&G is so well received just because of their base? Obviously not. They're well received because of their "line". Because of their additives and overall package. I personally run H&G. I like the results I get by using not just their base but their additives as well. I can claim I run H&G. Someone that just uses an AN base can't claim they run AN because they don't. They simple use their base....that's it...

Like I said, I don't want to knock the guy's experiment because he took the time to compare 3 different products and I gave him reps for that. But he can't claim he compared 3 different nutrient lines because he didn't do that.
I don't even know where to begin with you. You know what, I'm not even going to bother.
 

dlively11

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You're kidding right? The base is very important but to say a base alone is a representative of it's entire line and to think that it should give comparable results when used alone with additives from another brand is just dumb....First off it's not a base nute line, it's just the base of a specific brand. 2nd, you can't claim to do a comparison of 3 different brands by just switching the base and then claiming one brand is better than the other. 3rd, do you think AN or H&G is so well received just because of their base? Obviously not. They're well received because of their "line". Because of their additives and overall package. I personally run H&G. I like the results I get by using not just their base but their additives as well. I can claim I run H&G. Someone that just uses an AN base can't claim they run AN because they don't. They simple use their base....that's it...

Like I said, I don't want to knock the guy's experiment because he took the time to compare 3 different products and I gave him reps for that. But he can't claim he compared 3 different nutrient lines because he didn't do that.
I have to disagree. The base nute is 99% of your nutrients ( in hydro atleast) and the majority of your costs you incur. To make you happy though I have also run a round with the full line up of both AN and H&G and surprisingly enough they still didnt do as well as my cheapo Maxibloom tray does. If the base nute wasnt indicative of the line up why did they all grow so different despite using the same exact additives ? Hey I couldnt believe it at first my self. I assumed by spending all the extra money on all those labels that sounded so great I was getting better results with them. Now I know otherwise and my wallet thanks me every time I go to the hydro store.

Peace
 

dlively11

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Forgot to add I also used AN Big Bud powder with all these trays. Able to get it for $260 for a large 5 pound tub from one vendor a few times. Looking for a cheaper replacement for that as well since it normally costs $400. Seems clear to me now that the hydroponic nutrient market is a real racket.
 

dlively11

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Also would like to add that I like the MOAB better then Overdrive, shooting powder or Kool Bloom powder. Cheaper then the first two.
 

purplehazin

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You're kidding right? The base is very important but to say a base alone is a representative of it's entire line and to think that it should give comparable results when used alone with additives from another brand is just dumb....First off it's not a base nute line, it's just the base of a specific brand. 2nd, you can't claim to do a comparison of 3 different brands by just switching the base and then claiming one brand is better than the other. 3rd, do you think AN or H&G is so well received just because of their base? Obviously not. They're well received because of their "line". Because of their additives and overall package. I personally run H&G. I like the results I get by using not just their base but their additives as well. I can claim I run H&G. Someone that just uses an AN base can't claim they run AN because they don't. They simple use their base....that's it...

Like I said, I don't want to knock the guy's experiment because he took the time to compare 3 different products and I gave him reps for that. But he can't claim he compared 3 different nutrient lines because he didn't do that.
He didn't claim what you just said. He clearly shows which products of each brand he tested. But if you're saying that on top of the outrageously expensive base nutes from AN that he has to go out and spend another $1000 on their other various products to reach the same results that the $15 competitor achieved, then wow.

Some people just think that the more expensive something is, the better. That's not how it works.

Dlively, Great report!!
 
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