i had a bulb burn out on my left tail light halfway there.
i gave a perfectly VALID reason to be driving around with 5 ounces and this is the reply i get?
and you all want to be taken seriously?
good thing I'M only bored.
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i gave a perfectly VALID reason to be driving around with 5 ounces and this is the reply i get?
and you all want to be taken seriously?
good thing I'M only bored.
that was a third grade joke on a political debate. it made me feel sorrow.
that is not a reason, that is your opinion.
we are talking about a state law. i'd like a little more reasoning please.
i'm driving across the state because i am moving. i have 5 ounces of my personal grow with me. i am not a drug dealer.
now what?
UncleBuck
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like i said...put it in a 5x5 or use your existing med card.
actually, it is a nonsense question. they have no reason to search you for a burned out tail light. even if they smelled pot, they can't say it smells like more than one ounce. thus, no reasonable cause to search.
even if they did search, you could just argue that it was 'reasonably related to personal consumption'. it's not that hard to do if you are moving and thus unable to harvest a new crop for months.
or you could keep it in a 5x5 space, or us eyour existing medical card.
do you want to be taken seriously with your hypothetical objections? because they are pretty easy to shoot down. and i am crunk as fuck.
UncleBuck
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that was a third grade joke on a political debate. it made me feel sorrow.
oh, cmon. it was humorous.
Dan Kone
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It's unclear only because you say it's not clear. But it is clear. It says:
I don't know how much more clear they can make it than that. If you grow and get more than any ounce, you can keep it on the premises. There really isn't anything to be confused by. I don't know how they can make it any more clear.
UncleBuck
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maybe if they said it like a foreigner trying to convey his message to someone speaking a different language, and said it real loud and slow....
Dan Kone
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It's not my opinion. It's the current opinion of the state of California and it's been that way my whole life.
Dan Kone
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I think you're on to something here. If I didn't speak english, the entire prop 19 would be unclear. Why isn't prop 19 written in Swahili? Maybe it's some kind of sekret plot by Richard Lee to take over the universe.
TokinPodPilot
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And right back to personal insults and low-brow mudslinging for the proponents when they can't come up with a response to a reasonable objection to proposed legislation. There is no rational reason for the one ounce limit other than it's association with current Health and Safety Code and ignores the Kelly decision regarding limits.
hoMEGROWengurl
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i am in compliance....the sherriff has been to my place and inspected my garden...i keep logs and have 3 scrips...and i should have been more clear...lets say im not a mmp..then me and fam would be held to 5x5 right? and if i am one i have even more concern..and that would be the wording..
"I think its quite likely that Proposition 19 will trump Californias medical marijuana laws and allow local municipalities to apply restrictions that, thus far, they have been blocked from implementing by the combination of the Compassionate Use Act and the California Supreme Court".....
"Notwithstanding any other provision of law, it is lawful and shall not be a public offense to possess, process, share or transport not more than one ounce of cannabis solely for that individuals personal consumption, and not for sale." "Anyone who doesnt already know the meaning of notwithstanding can see that this is wrong merely by grabbing the nearest dictionary. According to Websters Third International Dictionary, Unabridged (2002), for example, the word means without prevention or obstruction from or by : in spite of.
"Remembering the meaning of notwithstanding any other provision of state law, this means in spite of what the medical marijuana laws say, a local government may potentially adopt restrictive rules as pertains to certain activities. The listed activities are all the activities one needs to carry out in order to obtain, or grow, or consume medical marijuana."
my fear is that along with other things....i as a MMP will have right i already have taken from me..my lawyer said this is very possible and to prepare for it.
agian to all, i am in fact in total compliance....and whatever i have extra i donate most of. bar a lil to keep next yrs garden going...
if i am wrong or if you read something in this thatmy lawyer and i dont plz tell me...i dont want to hinder...i just dont want to get stuck. thank you all for you input. this thread is very good, with good ppl.
so you can't pretend i don't have a med card? you gave no answer. they can and will search your car. no answer again.
fail.
i was asked "when would a person ever need to carry more than an ounce?"
i gave an example and that's the answer i get.
i'm voting NO.
Dan Kone
Well-Known Member
Well then lets be grateful for the kelly decision. It insures that any limit that goes against doctors orders is unconstitutional and therefor doesn't apply. So what's the problem?
Dan Kone
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They used notwithstanding to apply to any local laws that might be created to interfere with the minimum limits of prop 19. So a county couldn't say the legal limit was one gram.
Next time you talk to your lawyer ask him if the Kelly decision makes it unconstitutional for the limits of prop 19 to be applied to medical patients.
I wasn't trying to criticize your personal garden. If I came off that way I apologize. I don't really care how big, small, legal, or illegal anyone's garden is. It's all good to me.
Teeaytchsee
Active Member
ok well fdd2blk... you want a more concrete reason to that specific amount... this is why
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decriminalized 
medical 
hemp
Incarceration
Fine Possession 28.5 g or less misdemeanor none $100 More than 28.5 g misdemeanor 6 months $500 28.5 g or less on school grounds while school open (over 18 yers old) misdemeanor 10 days $500 More than 28.5 g on school grounds while school open (over 18 yers old) misdemeanor 6 months $500 Cultivation Any amount (exception for patients or caregivers) felony 16 - 36 months none
Sale Gift of less than 28.5 g misdemeanor none $100 Any amount felony 
Possession of 28.5 grams or less of marijuana is not an arrestable offense. As long as the offender can provide sufficient identification and promises to appear in court, the officer will not arrest the offender. Upon conviction of the misdemeanor charge the offender is subject to a fine of $100. Possession of greater than 28.5 grams is punishable by up to six months in jail and a fine of up to $500.
The cultivation or processing of any amount of marijuana is punishable by up to sixteen months in state prison. There is an exception to the cultivation prohibition for patients or patients’ caregivers who possess or cultivate for personal use by the patient upon approval of a physician.
The laws regarding possession and cultivation of marijuana do not apply to patients or patients’ primary caregivers who possess or cultivate marijuana for the personal medical use of the patient, upon the recommendation or approval of a physician.
Selling marijuana in any amount is punishable by 2 – 4 years in the state prison. Giving away less than 28.5 grams is a misdemeanor and is punishable by a fine of up to $100.
Sale of marijuana to a minor is punishable by 3 – 5 years in prison.
For anyone under the age of 21 convicted of any of the above offenses, the state may suspend the offender’s driver’s license for up to one year.
Possession of paraphernalia is a civil fine of $200-$300 for the first offense and goes up to $5,000-$6,000 for a fifth or subsequent violation within a five-year periood.
A breakdown of CA county and local medical marijuana guidelines is available here: http://www.safeaccessnow.net/countyguidelines.htm.
Decriminalization: The state has decriminalized marijuana to some degree. Typically, decriminalization means no prison time or criminal record for first-time possession of a small amount for personal consumption. The conduct is treated like a minor traffic violation.
Medical marijuana: This state has medical marijuana laws enacted. Modern research suggests that cannabis is a valuable aid in the treatment of a wide range of clinical applications. These include pain relief, nausea, spasticity, glaucoma, and movement disorders. Marijuana is also a powerful appetite stimulant and emerging research suggests that marijuana's medicinal properties may protect the body against some types of malignant tumors, and are neuroprotective. For more information see NORML's Medical Marijuana section.
Hemp: This state has an active hemp industry or has authorized research. Hemp is a distinct variety of the plant species cannabis sativa L. that contains minimal (less than 1%) amounts of tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), the primary psychoactive ingredient in marijuana. Various parts of the plant can be utilized in the making of textiles, paper, paints, clothing, plastics, cosmetics, foodstuffs, insulation, animal feed, and other products. For more information see NORML's Industrial Use section.
Also see Federal Laws
this is current CA law as posted directly from the NORML's website and taken from the DEA. keep in mind as said time and again and seems to being ignored by your arguments, porp 19 will in NO WAY effect mmj users in compliance with prop 215b.
lets say for a moment you are not an mmj patient. you are just a regular schmo like myself. that one ounce (of any type/quality/style/smell/taste/potency/etc) is merely an on-hand limitation. now look at the current law. without an mmj card you have 1 ounce... $100 fine a date in court and (though according to this wording not typically, but definately possible) a blemished record to haunt you if youd ever like to go back to school, get a government job, work with children. etc. to us non-mmj 1 ounce attained legally and without fear is a HUGE amount of progress.
if it is still unclear please reword it in a way the rest of us can understand, after so many attempts to answer your question and you saying its all wrong perhaps you should reflect on your question and your motivation. you are hoping to hear something along the lines of "so the government can keep you chained maaan. the maaan just wants to hold you down dude!"? please clarify and continue.
and for instance you have your gorgeous time consuming grows, but you dont have an mmj card...
"The cultivation or processing of any amount of marijuana is punishable by up to sixteen months in state prison. There is an exception to the cultivation prohibition for patients or patients’ caregivers who possess or cultivate for personal use by the patient upon approval of a physician."
this is up to date and concrete. can you still not see our side of it?
California
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decriminalized medical hemp
Incarceration
Fine
2 - 4 years
none 28.5 g or less by a minor misdemeanor none $250 Any amount to a minor over 14 years old felony 3 - 5 years none Any amount to a minor under 14 years old (includes offering, inducing, distributing, or employing) felony 3 - 7 years
none Miscellaneous (paraphernalia, license suspensions, drug tax stamps, etc...) Any conviction of minor under 21 causes driver's license suspension for 1 year. Details Proposition 36
The Substance Abuse and Crime Prevention Act passed by 61% in 2000
Possession of 28.5 grams or less of marijuana on school grounds when the school is open is punishable by up to 10 days in jail and a $500 fine. Possession of greater than 28.5 grams or more of marijuana in a school zone is punishable by up to six months in jail and a fine of up to $500.The Substance Abuse and Crime Prevention Act passed by 61% in 2000
The cultivation or processing of any amount of marijuana is punishable by up to sixteen months in state prison. There is an exception to the cultivation prohibition for patients or patients’ caregivers who possess or cultivate for personal use by the patient upon approval of a physician.
The laws regarding possession and cultivation of marijuana do not apply to patients or patients’ primary caregivers who possess or cultivate marijuana for the personal medical use of the patient, upon the recommendation or approval of a physician.
Selling marijuana in any amount is punishable by 2 – 4 years in the state prison. Giving away less than 28.5 grams is a misdemeanor and is punishable by a fine of up to $100.
Sale of marijuana to a minor is punishable by 3 – 5 years in prison.
For anyone under the age of 21 convicted of any of the above offenses, the state may suspend the offender’s driver’s license for up to one year.
Possession of paraphernalia is a civil fine of $200-$300 for the first offense and goes up to $5,000-$6,000 for a fifth or subsequent violation within a five-year periood.
A breakdown of CA county and local medical marijuana guidelines is available here: http://www.safeaccessnow.net/countyguidelines.htm.
Also see Federal Laws
this is current CA law as posted directly from the NORML's website and taken from the DEA. keep in mind as said time and again and seems to being ignored by your arguments, porp 19 will in NO WAY effect mmj users in compliance with prop 215b.
lets say for a moment you are not an mmj patient. you are just a regular schmo like myself. that one ounce (of any type/quality/style/smell/taste/potency/etc) is merely an on-hand limitation. now look at the current law. without an mmj card you have 1 ounce... $100 fine a date in court and (though according to this wording not typically, but definately possible) a blemished record to haunt you if youd ever like to go back to school, get a government job, work with children. etc. to us non-mmj 1 ounce attained legally and without fear is a HUGE amount of progress.
if it is still unclear please reword it in a way the rest of us can understand, after so many attempts to answer your question and you saying its all wrong perhaps you should reflect on your question and your motivation. you are hoping to hear something along the lines of "so the government can keep you chained maaan. the maaan just wants to hold you down dude!"? please clarify and continue.
and for instance you have your gorgeous time consuming grows, but you dont have an mmj card...
"The cultivation or processing of any amount of marijuana is punishable by up to sixteen months in state prison. There is an exception to the cultivation prohibition for patients or patients’ caregivers who possess or cultivate for personal use by the patient upon approval of a physician."
this is up to date and concrete. can you still not see our side of it?