Matt Rize
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All sorts of vegan-organic organization exist worldwide. It is also known as stock free organic farming, and "green" organics.
http://www.veganorganic.net/links.htm
http://www.veganorganic.net/links.htm
Yes, we did introduce the problem of POPs, agreed. Bio Canna is not made from questionable sources. They have a reputation to uphold and these metals can be tested for. Like all organics, plant sourcing is crucial too. Good point.You're once again talking about issues that humans brought to the environment in the first place...
...If NOP regulations can be assessed and changed to better conform to the definition of organic production and the situation improved, that is wonderful. In other words, if something is broken it should be fixed; but I am not about to go spend ridiculous sums of money on "VEGAN NUTES" because of it.
What!? That is far fetched. The plant based nutes I'm talking about are not made from hay, that's CRAZY! Hay is grown very differently than this stuff. My nutes are mostly made from:You're once again talking about issues that humans brought to the environment in the first place. What if that contaminated hay was fermented and sold at top dollar as "Vegan" fertilizer? 100% PLANT BASED!
Here goes a discussion that I had no part in about the smoking quality of some vegan organic flowers. To quote the person who actually tried it and isn't just hating: "...i mean i actually smoked some of the stuff grown with it and its substantially smoother and a cleaner high." BOOM
Of course there are opinions on both sides, but the guy who actually tried it liked it. I can't make this sh*t up.
https://tokecity.com/forums/archive/index.php4/t-37978.html
And another review of some vegan organic herb: "Their herb was hands down the smoothest, best tasting herb I've ever had..."
http://www.thcfarmer.com/forums/f6/kyle-kushman-veganic-project-23109/
Less is more in life. Agreed friend.Right on ! He does have some great pictures I checked him out and the mission statement there is clear and concise as to explaining what vegan organics actually is . Pretty interesting over all I think . But I also think it,s kinda of an advanced technique . I,m just do " Simple "
organics I like to call it . Organic based soil with kelp based organic fertilizer . I,m still learning but having some good sucess to this point with my current grow. There are some many how ,why ,this and that diff ways people push trying to grow , so I,m keeping it simple and learing to read my plants . Less is more ! and less varibles to try to control .
Traditional organics is not just 'animal-based', once again, and fossilized guano/seabird deposits (hundreds/thousands of years old) are still plentiful enough- perhaps even largely undiscovered, in caves that have collapsed long ago. Fresher (months old) guano deposits are also harvested ecologically and sustainably in active caves during periods when the bats are not present. It is apparently also rich in bioremediation microbes that stave off fungus and diseases and enhance the decomposition of organic matter. Sunleaves guanos are OMRI, supposedly mined from centuries old deposits in an environmentally friendly manner. Still, bat/seabird guano is a relatively small piece of the puzzle.Yes, we did introduce the problem of POPs, agreed. Bio Canna is not made from questionable sources. They have a reputation to uphold and these metals can be tested for. Like all organics, plant sourcing is crucial too. Good point.
From my research the guanos are from fresh sources. The hundred+ year old deposits you speak of have been long depleted, as animal based organics have played a huge role in the growth of humanity over the past thousand years. The seabird guano being collected is from fiercely guarded islands that are turned into guano production facilities. The islands are harvested every few years and all sorts of un-natural retaining walls are built to catch the guano. Also, environmental/human rights records for harvesting guanos are mixed, as with any wild harvested product, as some of my links support.
Agreed, organic animal products are not automatically "bad" or "inferior" to plant based in any way. But many people are using commercial organic products from questionable sources. I would love to see more strict organic certifications. Organic farmers do need to get it together, until then...veganics for me, as expense is not really an issue in a prop215/sb420 world.
And then there are the people who just choose to not use animal products in their lives. Respect for all.
Great info Nul, thanks for contributing... Certainly this is better than using synthetic fertilizers, which do absolutely nothing to build or nurture the soil or it's micro-life and further hinder soil fertility in the long run.
Sorry, you have to go to the original posting a few posts back. It did not copy correctly.maybe it's me, but the above links didn't work