The perils of constitution-worship

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The perils of constitution-worship
One of the guiding principles of the tea-party movement is based on a myth
Sep 23rd 2010


WOULDN’T it be splendid if the solutions to America’s problems could be written down in a slim book no bigger than a passport that you could slip into your breast pocket? That, more or less, is the big idea of the tea-party movement, the grassroots mutiny against big government that has mounted an internal takeover of the Republican Party and changed the face of American politics. Listen to Michele Bachmann, a congresswoman from Minnesota and tea-party heroine, as she addressed the conservative Value Voters’ Summit in Washington, DC, last week:

To those who would spread lies, and to those who would spread falsehoods and rumours about the tea-party movement, let me be very clear to them. If you are scared of the tea-party movement, you are afraid of Thomas Jefferson who penned our mission statement, and, by the way, you may have heard of it, it’s called the Declaration of Independence. [Cheers, applause.] So what are these revolutionary ideas that make up and undergird the tea-party movement? Well, it’s this: All men and all women are created equal. We are endowed by our creator—that’s God, not government [applause]—with certain inalienable rights…
The Declaration of Independence and the constitution have been venerated for two centuries. But thanks to the tea-party movement they are enjoying a dramatic revival. The day after this September’s constitution-day anniversary, people all over the country congregated to read every word together aloud, a “profoundly moving exercise that will take less than one hour”, according to the gatherings’ organisers. At almost any tea-party meeting you can expect to see some patriot brandishing a copy of the hallowed texts and calling, with trembling voice, for a prodigal America to redeem itself by returning to its “founding principles”. The Washington Post reports that Colonial Williamsburg has been crowded with tea-partiers, asking the actors who play George Washington and his fellow founders for advice on how to cast off a tyrannical government.

Conservative think-tanks have the same dream of return to a prelapsarian innocence. The Heritage Foundation is running a “first principles” project “to save America by reclaiming its truths and its promises and conserving its liberating principles for ourselves and our posterity”. A Heritage book and video (“We Still Hold These Truths”) promotes the old verities as a panacea for present ills. America, such conservatives say, took a wrong turn when Woodrow Wilson and Theodore Roosevelt fell under the spell of progressive ideas and expanded the scope of government beyond both the founders’ imaginings and the competence of any state. Under the cover of war and recession (never let a crisis go to waste, said Barack Obama’s chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel), Franklin Roosevelt, Lyndon Johnson and now Mr Obama continued the bad work. Thus has mankind’s greatest experiment in self-government been crushed by a monstrous Leviathan.

Accept for argument’s sake that those who argue this way have identified the right problem. The constitution, on its own, does not provide the solution. Indeed, there is something infantile in the belief of the constitution-worshippers that the complex political arguments of today can be settled by simple fidelity to a document written in the 18th century. Michael Klarman of the Harvard Law School has a label for this urge to seek revealed truth in the sacred texts. He calls it “constitutional idolatry”.

The constitution is a thing of wonder, all the more miraculous for having been written when the rest of the world’s peoples were still under the boot of kings and emperors (with the magnificent exception of Britain’s constitutional monarchy, of course). But many of the tea-partiers have invented a strangely ahistorical version of it. For example, they say that the framers’ aim was to check the central government and protect the rights of the states. In fact the constitution of 1787 set out to do the opposite: to bolster the centre and weaken the power the states had briefly enjoyed under the new republic’s Articles of Confederation of 1777.


The words of men, not of gods

When history is turned into scripture and men into deities, truth is the victim. The framers were giants, visionaries and polymaths. But they were also aristocrats, creatures of their time fearful of what they considered the excessive democracy taking hold in the states in the 1780s. They did not believe that poor men, or any women, let alone slaves, should have the vote. Many of their decisions, such as giving every state two senators regardless of population, were the product not of Olympian sagacity but of grubby power-struggles and compromises—exactly the sort of backroom dealmaking, in fact, in which today’s Congress excels and which is now so much out of favour with the tea-partiers.

More to the point is that the constitution provides few answers to the hard questions thrown up by modern politics. Should gays marry? No answer there. Mr Klarman argues that the framers would not even recognise America’s modern government, with its mighty administrative branch and imperial executive. As to what they would have made of the modern welfare state, who can tell? To ask that question after the passage of two centuries, says Pietro Nivola of the Brookings Institution, is to pose an impossible thought experiment.

None of this is to say that the modern state is not bloated or over-mighty. There is assuredly a case to be made for reducing its size and ambitions and giving greater responsibilities to individuals. But this is a case that needs to be made and remade from first principles in every political generation, not just by consulting a text put on paper in a bygone age. Pace Ms Bachmann, the constitution is for all Americans and does not belong to her party alone. Nor did Jefferson write a mission statement for the tea- partiers. They are going to have to write one for themselves.



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abe23

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Have to be kidding me, right? You are using a blog from a Brit? To discuss the American constitution! LOL.
Not kidding. It's a good article....if you actually bother to read it, instead of dismissing it based on the author's nationality. Do you only read articles about north korea written by north koreans, as well?

Also, the economist is a magazine, not a blog. You're welcome.

Anything substantive you want to add?
 

UncleBuck

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But many of the tea-partiers have invented a strangely ahistorical version of it. For example, they say that the framers’ aim was to check the central government and protect the rights of the states. In fact the constitution of 1787 set out to do the opposite: to bolster the centre and weaken the power the states had briefly enjoyed under the new republic’s Articles of Confederation of 1777.

The framers were... aristocrats, creatures of their time ... They did not believe that poor men, or any women, let alone slaves, should have the vote. Many of their decisions...were the product...of grubby power-struggles and compromises—exactly the sort of backroom dealmaking, in fact, in which today’s Congress excels and which is now so much out of favour with the tea-partiers.


...the constitution is for all Americans and does not belong to her (Ms. Bachmann's) party alone.

+rep to abe if i can.
 

fdd2blk

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"all men are created equally".

unless you are a women, or black, or gay, or retarded, or, ........



highly over rated.
 

blazin256

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just because the human social behavior of the time is questionable by todays standards, doesn't take away the fact that the constitution was the greatest document ever written. needs change which is why we can amend it.

"all men are created equally".

unless you are a women, or black, or gay, or retarded, or, ........



highly over rated.
that line is in the declaration of independence. completely separate from the constitution.
 

Johnnyorganic

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It appears that the author is arguing that the Constitution in not a living and breathing document, as many Progressives seem to believe. It it seems that the author is asserting that the Constitution is dead. Irrelevant to the modern world.

Yawn.

/sarc on

If it's dead then surely we no longer need to recognize the right to free speech.

Or a free press.

Or the right to freedom of, and from, religion.

Or the right to privacy.

Or the right to not incriminate ourselves.

Or due process and habeas corpus if one is seized by the government.

Yeah, let's shit-can that worthless motherfucker.

/sarc off

And the author says the Constitution is silent on the issue of gay marriage which is completely false. The 14th Amendment guarantees equal protection under the law.

The unfortunate reality is that Republicans tend to only read the parts in the Constitution they agree with - apparently. But hey, fair is fair. So do the Democrats.
 

fdd2blk

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just because the human social behavior of the time is questionable by todays standards, doesn't take away the fact that the constitution was the greatest document ever written. needs change which is why we can amend it.


that line is in the declaration of independence. completely separate from the constitution.
same handful of dude's, different drunken rant. :sleep:
 

fdd2blk

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It appears that the author is arguing that the Constitution in not a living and breathing document, as many Progressives seem to believe. It it seems that the author is asserting that the Constitution is dead. Irrelevant to the modern world.

Yawn.

/sarc on

If it's dead then surely we no longer need to recognize the right to free speech.

Or a free press.

Or the right to freedom of, and from, religion.

Or the right to privacy.

Or the right to not incriminate ourselves.

Or due process and habeas corpus if one is seized by the government.

Yeah, let's shit-can that worthless motherfucker.

/sarc off

And the author says the Constitution is silent on the issue of gay marriage which is completely false. The 14th Amendment guarantees equal protection under the law.

The unfortunate reality is that Republicans tend to only read the parts in the Constitution they agree with - apparently. But hey, fair is fair. So do the Democrats.

most of these "rights" today are being desperately clung to.
 

UncleBuck

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It appears that the author is arguing that the Constitution in not a living and breathing document, as many Progressives seem to believe. It it seems that the author is asserting that the Constitution is dead. Irrelevant to the modern world.
i don't think the author was arguing that the constitution is dead or irrelevant. i think the argument was more against 'constitutional idolatry'.

A Heritage book and video (“We Still Hold These Truths”) promotes the old verities as a panacea for present ills.- the use of the word 'panacea' tips me off that the author feels the constitution is still relevant, but not a cure-all.

The constitution, on its own, does not provide the solution. Indeed, there is something infantile in the belief of the constitution-worshippers that the complex political arguments of today can be settled by simple fidelity to a document written in the 18th century. - again here, it seems the author feels the constitution has relevance, but more than just simple fidelity on its own is needed.

The constitution is a thing of wonder...- i think this reveals a bit of reverence for our constitution, rather than the sentiment that it is dead/irrelevant

When history is turned into scripture and men into deities, truth is the victim.
- again, more an argument against 'constitutional idolatry' than an assertion that the constitution is dead.

But this is a case that needs to be made and remade from first principles in every political generation, not just by consulting a text put on paper in a bygone age. Pace Ms Bachmann, the constitution is for all Americans and does not belong to her party alone. - i think this says it all. the constitution is not dead, it is not irrelevant, it is very much alive AND belongs to ALL americans.

otherwise i agree with your analysis that us progressives think of the constitution as a living, breathing document; that the constitution is not silent on the issue of gay marriage and that it should be extended to all americans; that the rights enumerated in the bill of rights and beyond are invaluable and never to be taken for granted; and that both parties abuse it for their own ends.
 

blazin256

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there's no trying about it. it's already pretty much confetti. if someone comes to bulldoze your house, you would turn on some idolizing qualities too. "i worked hard for it, its my house, my kids grew up here" etc.
the article lops tea partiers in with the same crowd as a conservative think tanks. i don't see how a grassroots movement and a think tank can be compared.
 

BudMcLovin

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Hahahahahahahha. This article is exactly why dems are going down in November. It’s not about constitution worship; it’s about the rule of law. Idol worship is how we got the current administration.
It’s not that republicans are that much better but given the option between a government controlled society or don’t ask don’t tell, most Americans are going to side with the party that’s not trying to control their every move. Hell I wonder when the democrat party are going to start taxing farts because they release dangerous gasses into the atmosphere.
Wait never mind I forgot they like to sniff their own farts. So that may be off limits.
[video=youtube;4UdmYInXplY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UdmYInXplY&feature=related[/video]
 

BudMcLovin

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Sorry guys but the other video reminded me of this one. It's a must see

[video=youtube;BIWv9KnG6ms]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIWv9KnG6ms&feature=related[/video]
 
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