Yes On 19 Here's Why!

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veggiegardener

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Get off your fucking high horse.

The dick head wanted to be conviced I am telling it straight.

Either believe me or not.

You don't give a fuck about my wife.

I don't believe your tender sensibilities deserve consideration.

You are touting loser, whether it passes or not.

I suspect your motives are completely selfish.
 

tc1

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Get off your fucking high horse.

The dick head wanted to be conviced I am telling it straight.

Either believe me or not.

You don't give a fuck about my wife.

I don't believe your tender sensibilities deserve consideration.

You are touting loser, whether it passes or not.

I suspect your motives are completely selfish.

I don't care what you think I feel. Maybe you do ... but I don't wish illness on anyone

I'm sorry .... but you're acting like an over emotional poor excuse of a human being.
Nothing but venom is coming from your words now .... such a shame that we have people like you who pretend to be apart of the movement when all you do is become a fear/hate monger when someone doesn't agree with you.


You are no friend to the movement. And the bile which you spout onto this site only assures this to anyone who may be reading. At your age you should know you can express your opinion without becoming ill-willed and hateful to others.

If you can't handle a debate ... leave it to someone who at the very least ... is capable of showing an ounce of respect to others.
 

vradd

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wow stay on topic please i dont want this to close.

and veggie mang by me asking the method of use i hope u didnt find offensive. im new to all this legal mumbo jumbo stuff, i wish i could indulge in all this stuff but i cant so pros/cons are the most i can get out of thc for now lol. ive never heard of going through that much in such a short time. hell i just discovered what tinctures are today. i already told you that i believe you know what your saying, and you still told me to fuck off jeez.

now heres my question, you say you saw prices that high at a club right? why dont you put some of your hooah attitude towards shops overpricing on patients? why not make a stand at that, at least what you'd be preaching something that can currently benefit others, even if it is only patients?
 

veggiegardener

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I do, constantly.

They really don't like being told in their place of business.

Every club owner I know has heard my speech regarding the vendor system.

A club MUST manufacture their own medicine to be fair to the patients.

Some clubs pay $4000 a pound for top shelf. What do they charge patients?

In Socal some clubs have charged $80 an eighth.
 

tc1

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Nothing he says makes sense ...

First he tells us if Prop 19 passes he'll lose $1,000 because he won't be able to grow enough medicine ...

Now he tells me in the other thread he could stand to GAIN FINANCIALLY if Prop 19 passes but he just can't "in good conscious" let that happen.



Like I said .... his propaganda is a web of twisted logic, lies, and half-truths.
Only sheeple would have the inability to see his deception and contradictions ... it's THAT obvious.
 

veggiegardener

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My apologies if I seem ungrateful for your questions.

Vote whatever way you think is appropriate.

My frustration is intense on this issue because there is so much short sightedness among the younger smokers.

I liken it to still believing in Santa Claus. You still haven't seen how bad it can and will get. Governments are only as honest as their leaders are vulnerable.

We are in the middle of a huge political storm, brought on by government/corporate collusion and corruption.

Read up on Monsanto and the way it handled the practice of midwestern grain farmers growing their own seed.

The logical conclusion is that back yard growers will be legislated out of existence.
 

vradd

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well ive yet to see you do the good word here.
im just saying if your so compassionate about pot.

i dont know what they charge patients as i cant personally see i just voice what i see around me.

please list me a shop that list for $80, now that i have yet to see. most around here are $60 capped.
 

veggiegardener

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Nothing he says makes sense ...

First he tells us if Prop 19 passes he'll lose $1,000 because he won't be able to grow enough medicine ...

Now he tells me in the other thread he coul stand to GAIN FINANCIALLY if Prop 19 passes but he just can't "in good conscious" let that happen.



Like I said .... his propaganda is a web of twisted logic, lies, and half-truths.
God, you're easy!

I'm retired. I enjoy my garden. I could grow commercially, but don't. I've recently had offers to provide meds for a couple enterprises. They provide the land. I've commuted all I want to.

If demand were to increase, so might the pressure.
 

tc1

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Yes ...

I'm interested in knowing what club you've visited who's selling $80 1/8ths.
I'll be sure to call and share my disappointment in them taking advantage of sick people all while claiming to be "for the patient".

Which clubs are selling $80 1/8ths?
 

veggiegardener

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well ive yet to see you do the good word here.
im just saying if your so compassionate about pot.

i dont know what they charge patients as i cant personally see i just voice what i see around me.

please list me a shop that list for $80, now that i have yet to see. most around here are $60 capped.
I draw the $80 figure from several reports I read regarding prices in Los Angeles.

The highest I've seen locally is $65.($8320/lb.)
 

tc1

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God, you're easy!

I'm retired. I enjoy my garden. I could grow commercially, but don't. I've recently had offers to provide meds for a couple enterprises. They provide the land. I've commuted all I want to.

If demand were to increase, so might the pressure.

So you've spent DAYS if not WEEKS telling us all how if Prop 19 passes, you won't have the ability to provide enough medication for your wife ...

But yet you have the ability to grow enough marijuana for a couple of enterprises and make mad cash?


Yeah ... that makes sense. Lies, lies, and more lies.
 

veggiegardener

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Desire and ability are two different things. I don't want to have to deal with bringing home an ounce every other day. A legal and licensed grow under prop 19 would provide money, not meds.

If regulated tightly, am I supposed to steal my meds?

Oddly enough, Prop 19 would probably eliminate the businesses I mention due to regulation. When the FDA gets involved, all bets are off(assuming the Feds "see the light" and legalize it, nationally).
 

tc1

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Desire and ability are two different things. I don't want to have to deal with bringing home an ounce every other day. A legal and licensed grow under prop 19 would provide money, not meds.

If regulated tightly, am I supposed to steal my meds?

Oddly enough, Prop 19 would probably eliminate the businesses I mention due to regulation. When the FDA gets involved, all bets are off(assuming the Feds "see the light" and legalize it, nationally).

Oh ... so you don't have the time or desire to get up and drive to get medication for your wife if she runs out? Yeah ... not buying that twisted logic either.

NEWFLASH ... if you were making MONEY off of growing marijuana commericially ... you could take that MONEY and put it towards the purchase of meds. (Which would be CHEAPER than they are now if Prop 19 passes) So how are YOU losing money under Prop 19, as you said you were in the beginning?

The FDA will NEVER get their hands on marijuana if we legalize it before we become a permanent state of medicalization. Is the FDA required to test every bottle of wine or pitcher of beer someone makes in their garage? No
 

veggiegardener

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Can't name any clubs for us to call and verify can you? I wonder why .....
Why don't you punch up $80/eighth?

There are thousand clubs in the LA basin.

As I said, I read about it. Again, this is a matter of trust. This is the internet. People build alter egos. They lie. They exaggerate.

I really try not to do these things because it eliminates all my reasons for being here.

tc 1: You've bullshitted your way into a bunch of threads with misinformation.

I have done my best to provide honest opinions and accurate information.

I've accomplished all I want here.

My reasoning is transparent. I have very strong feelings about this issue. Obviously it shows.

I'm done with politics for now.

I start harvesting in a week.

A lot to do before then.

Remember, Karma is a bitch.
 

TokinPodPilot

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well ive yet to see you do the good word here.
im just saying if your so compassionate about pot.

i dont know what they charge patients as i cant personally see i just voice what i see around me.

please list me a shop that list for $80, now that i have yet to see. most around here are $60 capped.
Don't need examples of either, really. Fact is still that those prices reflects the middleman profit margin not the true price that is paid to the grower. Veggie has said that he likes to lecture the dispensary owners. I choose to just stop vending to them and work only with the reasonable ones that keep their profit margins within reason and offer numerous benefits to their memberships, often including veteran/chronically ill discounts, and both they and I have been known to sometimes just pop freebies to those in need. Prop. 19 does nothing to reduce intermediaries between growers/farmers and clients, but opportunes more intermediaries and regulatory processing levels which potentially serve to increase cost or maintain existing ridiculous price levels. Granted, folk like myself and I daresay, Veggie, are probably few and too far between. Enabling the currently illegal large grow operations to legitimize is very much a threat to the small/medium grower who is trying to expand a small, but growing market of truly compassionate caregiving and services. We do not need commercialization of cannabis. Central distribution supply models also mean central wealth congregation. Economies-of-scale trade quality for quantity using questionable growing techniques and intensive production systems that are often responsible for the majority of major public health and safety disasters such as salmonella poisoning, drug recalls for poisonous defects or life-altering/threatening side-effects, off-shore drilling without effective safety inspections and/or responsible operational ethics, etc.
 

N!pples

Active Member
WOW! These prop 19 posts are so intense... I love marijuana not propaganda! I'm still voting yes!
 

tc1

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Why don't you punch up $80/eighth?

There are thousand clubs in the LA basin.

As I said, I read about it. Again, this is a matter of trust. This is the internet. People build alter egos. They lie. They exaggerate.

I really try not to do these things because it eliminates all my reasons for being here.

tc 1: You've bullshitted your way into a bunch of threads with misinformation.

I have done my best to provide honest opinions and accurate information.

I've accomplished all I want here.

My reasoning is transparent. I have very strong feelings about this issue. Obviously it shows.

I'm done with politics for now.

I start harvesting in a week.

A lot to do before then.

Remember, Karma is a bitch.

Says the guy name calling, using explicit language, and wishing ill-will on others.

You have been exposed ... through and through. You should have stopped while you were behind.

Anymore hypocritical comments, lies, or twisted logic you would like to share before you go cure your " non-harvested" "finished buds" lol
 

tc1

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Don't need examples of either, really. Fact is still that those prices reflects the middleman profit margin not the true price that is paid to the grower. Veggie has said that he likes to lecture the dispensary owners. I choose to just stop vending to them and work only with the reasonable ones that keep their profit margins within reason and offer numerous benefits to their memberships, often including veteran/chronically ill discounts, and both they and I have been known to sometimes just pop freebies to those in need. Prop. 19 does nothing to reduce intermediaries between growers/farmers and clients, but opportunes more intermediaries and regulatory processing levels which potentially serve to increase cost or maintain existing ridiculous price levels. Granted, folk like myself and I daresay, Veggie, are probably few and too far between. Enabling the currently illegal large grow operations to legitimize is very much a threat to the small/medium grower who is trying to expand a small, but growing market of truly compassionate caregiving and services. We do not need commercialization of cannabis. Central distribution supply models also mean central wealth congregation. Economies-of-scale trade quality for quantity using questionable growing techniques and intensive production systems that are often responsible for the majority of major public health and safety disasters such as salmonella poisoning, drug recalls for poisonous defects or life-altering/threatening side-effects, off-shore drilling without effective safety inspections and/or responsible operational ethics, etc.
Cannabis is already commercialized (Large medical dispensaries and the black market)

There is nothing in Prop 19 which legislates a central distribution model for cannabis sales. You are free to buy your marijuana from the small guy ... or the big guy.

Just as you have the option to buy beer from a micro-brewery or Budweiser. Under Prop 19 you are also free to grow your own marijuana, just as you are free to make your own beer. No difference what so ever.
 

TokinPodPilot

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Sure, mate.... you go right on believing that. The alcohol reference is just the icing on the ignorance cake. Carry on....bongsmilie
 
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