Yes On 19 Here's Why!
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tc1
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You mean the same norcal people that the anti-prop 19 people seem to hate so much?i don't get it. especially since prop 19 was written in norcal.
No doubt Richard Lee stands to benefit from Prop 19. He, along with others are the "marijuana kings" of Oakland.
Under Prop 19 ... they will be able to help pass legislation locally which allows their marijuana businesses and others to flourish within city limits.
Unfortunately because of this ... some people would like everyone to believe that it will ruin the movement and damper the future for MILLIONS of people. This is simply not true.
Oaksterdam's local legislation will NOT effect all of California and under Prop 19 each and every city can choose to legislate commercial and tax regulations how they see fit. If you live in Oakland, you have the ability as a citizen to stand up for what you think is right and what you think is wrong. Richard Lee and co can not "monopolize" marijuana in Oakland (against the law). Nor can they directly effect legislation without the support of citizens.
But why vote no on Prop 19 and allow the status quo to continue? Because certain people stand to gain something if Prop 19 passes? EVERYONE stands to gain if Prop 19 passes. This is no different than Prop 215. When Prop 215 was on the ballot, there were already people out there who stood to gain with its' passing. Did 215 hurt the movement? Has 215 only helped a selected few?
It is in my honest opinion, that the overwhelming majority of people against Prop 19 are the following:
- Overly paranoid people who believe it's somehow a political ploy or trick. (Then why are the anti-pot politicians against it?)
- People who currently profit from the prohibition. (Legalization adds competition and lowers prices)
- People part of the "I gots mine" crowd. ("I can smoke marijuana without going to jail already under 215 so screw everyone else")
- Anti-pot people in general who still buy into the lies and stigmas associated with marijuana.
Fact is, Prop 19 does nothing more than legalize the possession, transport, and cultivation of marijuana within the state. Prop 19 then allows cities to determine if they would like to use marijuana commercially and provides them with the legal ability to tax thus said commercial use.
Prop 19 does NOT supersede Prop 215 (If anything, it reaffirms medical users of their right to use).
Prop 19 does NOT force any commercial regulations or taxation.
Prop 19 does NOT treat marijuana any different than alcohol regulations.
mrFancyPlants
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Thanks for all your work tc - good luck with that.
I have to laugh though - medical prices are already starting to plummet. The market is damn near saturated in many areas. Either way we go, the traditional cash cow of MJ is going away. If it wasn't for people moving MMJ out of state, the prices would have already dropped more significantly. Supply is > than demand now, with damn near everyone making their own. It's now more about quality than quantity.
I have to laugh though - medical prices are already starting to plummet. The market is damn near saturated in many areas. Either way we go, the traditional cash cow of MJ is going away. If it wasn't for people moving MMJ out of state, the prices would have already dropped more significantly. Supply is > than demand now, with damn near everyone making their own. It's now more about quality than quantity.
TokinPodPilot
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ZOMG!! There are different regional marketz and stuffs! what's to do?!?!?!?!oneone eleventy-one!
tc1
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ZOMG!! There are different regional marketz and stuffs! what's to do?!?!?!?!oneone eleventy-one!
Still looking for that section in Prop 19 that states marijuana must be taxed are we? Must get boring ... looking, looking, and more looking ... but never finding a sentence which supports the claims.
TokinPodPilot
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tc1
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You didn't answer my question.
Where does it say in Prop 19 that marijuana must be taxed?
if your so compassionate why dont you spread the good word then so you can help other patients? why keep a certain shop secret? got something to hide?ZOMG!! There are different regional marketz and stuffs! what's to do?!?!?!?!oneone eleventy-one!
TokinPodPilot
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So back to personal attacks. Nice. In any case, since the point of regional and localized markets flew over your head, there are plenty of available resources for finding dispensaries that are locale-relevant. But, please continue...
mrFancyPlants
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Depends on the shop - I've seen dispensaries next door to each other and once is twice the price for less quality. I'm not going to advertise for shops so go check weed maps if you think you're paying too much.
It's funny but the market takes a while to work - one place we were supplying charges $60/8 regularly for the larfiest crap I've seen(we don't supply it
). They've done fine for years because of their location - but now that there are 6 places within a block, guess what - no more orders from them. I figure the turning point is this year's outdoor harvest which hasn't quite rolled out yet.
It's funny but the market takes a while to work - one place we were supplying charges $60/8 regularly for the larfiest crap I've seen(we don't supply it
). They've done fine for years because of their location - but now that there are 6 places within a block, guess what - no more orders from them. I figure the turning point is this year's outdoor harvest which hasn't quite rolled out yet.
ford442
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i just want legalization to happen.. there will certainly be compromises along the way for every state - i don't think that we should hold out for a more accommodating bill because lawmakers do not care for the idea of any of it - they will not suddenly change their minds and create weed farmers' markets on every corner.. i want it to happen sooner than later - this is just the first step - since i believe in legalization i indeed want it to work out beneficially for everyone involved - i think that all of the valid complaints with prop 19 are issues that will be changed in the future once it is acceptable for the general public to have pot - then we will iron out the details such as the 25' garden space.. cops will still arrest you if you supply to a minor and there is an investigation - no different than right now.. but, if we treat pot responsibly then we should all have safe and fair access to it...
i want california to start as soon as possible to lead the way for every other state - the non-medical states in which smokers suffer every day from prohibition laws.. i simply do not believe that pot should be a black market item - can anyone cite an example of any safe substance that is kept on a black market level for the good of the public? it should be treated like any other product or crop or object in normal society.. it should have a value based on its legitimate worth in any given situation.. no other state is going to do it - california needs to be bold and take the stand that smoking pot responsibly is not a crime!
i want california to start as soon as possible to lead the way for every other state - the non-medical states in which smokers suffer every day from prohibition laws.. i simply do not believe that pot should be a black market item - can anyone cite an example of any safe substance that is kept on a black market level for the good of the public? it should be treated like any other product or crop or object in normal society.. it should have a value based on its legitimate worth in any given situation.. no other state is going to do it - california needs to be bold and take the stand that smoking pot responsibly is not a crime!
tc1
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Unfortunately prohibition and to an extent medical marijuana has created an "I gotz mine" mentality.
These people gotz their money ... they gotz their "legal" marijuana .... they don't care about the rest of us.
Profit over Freedom
Medicine over Morals
You could write the greatest proposition on the planet and the majority of these type of people will still pick it a part and tell people to vote no. Why? Because "they gotz theirs" and they don't want anything to pass that has the slightest potential to take away what they have going for them.
They don't care about you, me, or the greater good. They care about themselves.
tc1
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Luckily ... they are the minority and public opinion has shifted.
The majority of people who will vote on Prop 19 are not growers, sellers, or 215 patience unwilling to fight for freedom to all.
Prop 19 is coming ... whether they like it or not. And none of their BS propaganda is getting though to the people who matter.
Ironically, some of the same people against it will be sitting on a message board 15 years from now telling everyone how they were getting signatures and working with the Prop 19 folks to get it passed. But we're not going to forget their faces this time ...
Enemies of the movement will stay just that.
The majority of people who will vote on Prop 19 are not growers, sellers, or 215 patience unwilling to fight for freedom to all.
Prop 19 is coming ... whether they like it or not. And none of their BS propaganda is getting though to the people who matter.
Ironically, some of the same people against it will be sitting on a message board 15 years from now telling everyone how they were getting signatures and working with the Prop 19 folks to get it passed. But we're not going to forget their faces this time ...
Enemies of the movement will stay just that.
calibob
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Vote No, if you don't understand why then maybe you're smoking to much. Anytime government gets involved it's never for the good of the people, it's for profit. When the prices start to fall and the profit margin shrinks they will change the rules on you. I'm not against legal private grows but leave the commercial corporate cocksuckers out of it. Shit, commercial weed used to be a bad thing and that's what voting yes will get you.
tc1
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It doesn't. It leaves it up to cities to decide.better yet, where does it guarantee it WON'T be?
medicalsb420
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I publicly challenge t.c to a fight. gangs of new york style! t.c lives in cali, i live in socal. we can video tape it and put on youtube and call it the prop 19 debate. i feel this strongly t.c... how strong do you back your point? t.c your a fuken shit head and it would be a pleasure to stomp your koombahya pansy ass into the floor for being such a blind puppet and further more disrespecting the point of view of true heads that dont take johnny law dick up the ass like you! also your disregard for california jobs and revenue we stand to loose from federal grants due to our non ability to enforce a drug free workplace. try to talk shit like i havent done for the movement?! what the fuck have you done in cali? put it this way i've never heard of you- so you havent done shit! we can create a sub post and compare resumes punk! better have some proof cuz i know you have a knack for bullshit... you dont listen to reason and insist that this bill is a step forwards without having a clue about how the culture has even gotten to this point- what you suggest is complete disregard for the people who made it all possible that are being stepped over and forgotten. take an economics class you stupid slut! words haven't worked... dont start crying how i'm just an ignorant barbarian either... at the end of the day- if you back down your a fuken pussy, and your postion on prop 19 is for pussies like you! what do you say girl?
tc1
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Internet Tough Guy Alert!
Seriously man ... if you get this angry over the internet you have serious issues.
Your post makes you look foolish and to be honest ... I didn't read much of it.
"Publicly challenge me to a fight" ... How old are you 12?
Seek further medication for your mental illness ... cause the marijuana just 'aint cutting it.
(*waits for the lock*)
medicalsb420
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can't believe you got me on here talkin shit like an internet thug... i'm a little embarrassed... but the offer stands. read 19 thoroughly, then read the u.s farm bill, then apply basic economic theory, and then tell me this is a bill written for the greater good. like i've said before it's not the idea i oppose, it's this bill and what it tries to hide
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