Help please Wilting DWC Super Lemon Haze

ghosty87

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Hey all,

I have 5 plants going right now in flower. 2 are 6 weeks in and are doing great. The other 3 are only 2 weeks into flowering and my super lemon haze is wilting like crazy. I have grow in soil many a times and this is my second run at DWC my first being the plants 6 weeks ahead. The only thing I can think of is that my plant experienced mild heat stress for one hour a few days ago and that messed it up, or the Doktor Doom mite spray I used on all 3 somehow had a bad effect on the Lemon haze, or maybe the plant just has nutrient lockout or some issue due to me adding PH down directly to the resevoir which I have learned can be bad in DWC. Im using 100 gallon air pumps, General Hydro Micro and bloom at 1/4tsp a gallon, and some other nutes were used during veg like root accelerator and some Biobizz grow. My plants are in 5 gallon DWC buckets, each has its own bucket with a 5 or 6 inch air stone with 100 gallon pump on each. The temps of the res are around 68-72F and the room is 72-82F. I have 400w HPS in this room cooled by a can fan. I got a really nice Hannah PH meter recently that does PH, EC, & PPM. I have one major concern, I am using powdered General Hydroponics PH up and Down and I use my PH 7.0, ppm 200 house water for the plants. When I lower the PH to 5.8ish for the plants my PPM will drastically go up after a few days of correcting PH. My meter I believe is set at a .5 TDS calibration for PPM and maxs at 2000ppm and everytime I test the PPM after a few days it maxes at 2000ppm which I believe may be the cause of my dieing Super lemon haze. The wierd thing is, the other plants do not seem affected by the high PPM tho they also have 2000ppm. Also all my roots are white, the only odd thing is the Super lemon haze after several resevoir changes still somehow raises its Res PH to 8.0 over night or after a few hours after being PH'd at 5.8. I flushed the plant for an hour in clear water with Clearex the other day and still not lookng better. The stems are strong, but the leaves are wilting like crazy and the plant feels rubbery. My other strains are Hash plant haze and Blue cheese. here are some pics any help would be greatly appreciated I dont wanna lose this Super lemon as its my last large one and my soil SL haze was nuts. Here are the pictures of the Superlemon haze on the left its the droopy one, Hash plant is behind it, blue cheese is on the right. You can see the hash plant and blue cheese look fine even tho they have crazy high PPM and fluctuating Ph's as well. I also have 2 in a grow tent that are 6 weeks ahead of these and they look amazing (last picture).
 

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ghosty87

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I am really miss diagnosing this problem or something.

Anyone? I have tried a lot of shit. I just gave the plant distilled water Ph'd to 5.8 with just 1/4tsp of GH bloom and Micro with 3 oz of Hygrogen peroxide 3% which I rarely use this late in DWC. I tried hygrozyme and Sm-90 for a while and that seems to have led to this or a hot hour in a the grow room one day when the heater kicked on in my home. Dammit the plant is getting worst and the roots look fine except a lot of little roots are in the water at all times even after I rinsed them in the shower. Tomorrow ill try florakleen i guess if they are still alive. Since the clearex didnt help.

Why is it everytime I use distilled water from a grocery store or pharmacy my plants seem to get worst WTF
 

howdyguhk

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the pH is way too high. when I was running dwc, my pH went as high as 7.5 for a few days, and i noticed my leaves starting to curl downwards. id try a lower ppm to try to stabilize your pH better.
 

ghosty87

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For some reason I cant have a low PPM. I have tried distilled water, spring water, and of course my tap water. For some reason the PPM of the plants always goes over 2000 after I use General Hydro PH down to correct the water after adding my nutes. For example, Ill fill a gallon up with tap water or whatever water and then add my nutes. The ppm will read 6.3 after adding GH bloom and the ppm will be around 350-400. Then I add PH down and the water will go insanely down to 3.5phish and then I have to add Ph up and by the time I get it stabalized the PPM is like 2000+.
 

howdyguhk

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there's your problem. you're not supposed to use ph down + up together. they don't just cancel each other out, they actually produce salts, which is likely causing your ppm numbers to be so high. these salts can affect the overall balance in your water as well, so if i were you id start over with distilled/RO water, then add nutes, then measure ph, then adjust slowly as to not overshoot!
gl, and keep us posted
 

bonjo78

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a general info , r/o water must sit still in atmorphere presure to stabilize , so leave it in a backet for a day to aerate
 

doc111

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a general info , r/o water must sit still in atmorphere presure to stabilize , so leave it in a backet for a day to aerate
Where did you learn this? That's funny because this is the first I'm hearing of this. Do you have a link or an article to back up this claim?:?
 

ghosty87

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Thanks everyone, I think I have solved my problems, by using distilled and/or RO water and very little PH down in combination with nutrients. I have been able to keep the PPM under 1300 for a few days now.
 

AKRevo47

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gh makes some good stuff, but their ph up and down suck because they use food coloring which adds to the ppm's (the orange and blue). get some clean and clear stuff, technaflora or vitagrow are good.
 

RRLBT420

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i grow dwc and i only adjust my ph during my weekly nutrient change. everybody will say i'm crazy, but i don't care. my plants grow like crazy. you're only supposed to use a MAXIMUM of 2/3 strength nutrients in DWC. i use GH liquid ph down, and while i have the ph up i can't remember the last time i opened it. i balance the ph to 5.8 in 2 gallons of water in my 5 gal. buckets, and then i don't do anything till nutrient change except top it off with ph 5.8 water. your plants could have too high ph, but i'm more suspicious that it's nitrogen toxicity or lack of air in the buckets. if your using the petco or similar 4 outlet pump rated at up to 100 gallons, you need a better pump. i started with the same one, but i got root rot because the lack of o2 in the res. i now use an Active Aqua 12 outlet commercial air pump to drive 12 buckets per pump.
 

RRLBT420

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a general info , r/o water must sit still in atmorphere presure to stabilize , so leave it in a backet for a day to aerate
i do leave my bucket for 24 hrs to aerate, but what do you mean by stabilize? i'm aware that the ph may change slightly, but atmospheric pressure has little if anything to do with this. tap water is recommended to sit overnight to evaporate chlorine, but again, this isn't what i would refer to as stabilization.
 
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