Why can't you clone Autoflowers?

[bird mcbride]

Once the seed pops, the clock is ticking. You see, autoflowers are from a mix of photoperiod cannabis and cannabis ruderalis. Cannabis ruderalis is native to Siberia. Since Siberia doesn't have a long growing season, a process of natural selection occurred when cannabis found its way there; indicas that flowered earlier survived better compared to sativas. Because of the harsh growing environment, bud size and thc content on the ruderalis dimished to the point that it no longer resembled it's indica cousins. Because of these adaptations the ruderalis developed an internal clock in its genetic structure- once the root comes out it has about 2-3 weeks of veg growth before it starts the flower cycle because the plant thinks it only has 7 weeks to insure the next generation. When indicas or sativas get crossed with ruderalis, the flavor, potency, and (relative) bud size of the indica/sativa get mixed with the internal clock of the ruderalis strain. The only reason ruderalis has this tendency is because of where it evolved, and it is that tendency that will keep cloning from being an effective means of continuing the strain. The only way to successfully do this with autoflowers is pollination, and then you start to get into genetics. Depending on how the strain you buy was developed this could be easy (if it is the 3rd generation of the strain) or difficult/long (if you are getting 1st gen seeds from a ruderalis-indica or sativa hybrid.

So your saying we should cross our columbian with our Canadian pig weed. They're cousins. A corn plant, placed into the proper delemma will grow like a vine.I think some boys are working on this as we speak.

 

[SquishMitten]

Once the seed pops, the clock is ticking. You see, autoflowers are from a mix of photoperiod cannabis and cannabis ruderalis. Cannabis ruderalis is native to Siberia. Since Siberia doesn't have a long growing season, a process of natural selection occurred when cannabis found its way there; indicas that flowered earlier survived better compared to sativas. Because of the harsh growing environment, bud size and thc content on the ruderalis dimished to the point that it no longer resembled it's indica cousins. Because of these adaptations the ruderalis developed an internal clock in its genetic structure- once the root comes out it has about 2-3 weeks of veg growth before it starts the flower cycle because the plant thinks it only has 7 weeks to insure the next generation. When indicas or sativas get crossed with ruderalis, the flavor, potency, and (relative) bud size of the indica/sativa get mixed with the internal clock of the ruderalis strain. The only reason ruderalis has this tendency is because of where it evolved, and it is that tendency that will keep cloning from being an effective means of continuing the strain. The only way to successfully do this with autoflowers is pollination, and then you start to get into genetics. Depending on how the strain you buy was developed this could be easy (if it is the 3rd generation of the strain) or difficult/long (if you are getting 1st gen seeds from a ruderalis-indica or sativa hybrid.

Boom, you're the man. Thanks a lot.

 

[bird mcbride]

Boom, you're the man. Thanks a lot.

It all sounds to much like the eighties to me.

 

[SquishMitten]

It all sounds to much like the eighties to me.

what? the words "boom" and "you're the man?"

what was the point of that post, to tell me my expressions are cliche and dated? Well I don't give a fuck. Which is also another expression that's been around since (at least) the 80's.

 

[bird mcbride]

what? the words "boom" and "you're the man?"

what was the point of that post, to tell me my expressions are cliche and dated? Well I don't give a fuck. Which is also another expression that's been around since (at least) the 80's.

I was refering to the hole seed growing thing.

 

[bird mcbride]

I was refering to the hole seed growing thing.

There was a time when some people thought a regular pot plant couldn't be cloned. They have since been proven wrong.

 

[SquishMitten]

I was refering to the hole seed growing thing.

My bad thought you were talking about what I said.. didn't mean to attack.

 

[KuLong]

There was a time when some people thought a regular pot plant couldn't be cloned. They have since been proven wrong.

Prove me wrong.

 

[SquishMitten]

I honestly might try it... not that I don't believe you guys... when the seedbanks and everyone else says it can't be done, I'm pretty sure a newb such as myself can't. But I'll still try... I have three EasyRyders going right now. I will take a cutting from one..... and compare the yield from the cut plant with the two EasyRyder's ima leave alone... also we will see if the clone has any chance of surviving. and if it does whether it's a fucking runt or if it flowers at the same time or later or whatever.

Basically just want to see what happens

 

[homebrewer]

Cloning autos is pointless. I did it once before I knew the pheno was an auto, it was possible to veg them on 24 hour light, but it had boatloads of pistols and a crappy growth structure. I 'vegged' one of the clones and flowered it. Crappy results, just like autos in general.

 

[KuLong]

Cloning autos is pointless. I did it once before I knew the pheno was an auto, it was possible to veg them on 24 hour light, but it had boatloads of pistols and a crappy growth structure. I 'vegged' one of the clones and flowered it. Crappy results, just like autos in general.

You got an autoflower "clone" to root?

Any photographs? Or is this just another "autoflowers are useless" post?

 

[homebrewer]

You got an autoflower "clone" to root?

Any photographs? Or is this just another "autoflowers are useless" post?

I took 3 cuttings and 3 rooted. No, I don't have pics, it was the least desirable pheno out of the bunch when I was searching for a mom. Why would I take pics of that?

 

[KuLong]

Why would I take pics of that?

Education.

Documentation.

Clarification.

 

[homebrewer]

Education.

Documentation.

Clarification.

Taking pics of that is like taking pics of the time you let spider mites get the best of your garden, or the time you lost a few 2 ounce colas to bud mold, or the time when you bug-bombed and lost a crop of clones because they couldn't handle the fog. You don't understand, they were branchy, spindly, mutant-looking plants. I threw 2 out during flower and chopped the other 15 days early just so I could make space for something worth while. You don't take pics of that. There is no lesson there.

 

[KuLong]

There is no lesson there.

You couldn't be more wrong.

Everything that you mentioned would be great if it were documented, examined, evaluated and discussed.

At the very least, having documented your claims against autoflowers, you could at least proved you cloned them.

 

[homebrewer]

You couldn't be more wrong.

Everything that you mentioned would be great if it were documented, examined, evaluated and discussed.

At the very least, having documented your claims against autoflowers, you could at least proved you cloned them.

You know what's better than accidentally cloning an auto? Cloning a 'standard' plant so the mom is actually stable. If you want quick turn around times, then 12/12 it right out of the humidity dome.

 

[KuLong]

You know what's better than accidentally cloning an auto? Cloning a 'standard' plant so the mom is actually stable. If you want quick turn around times, then 12/12 it right out of the humidity dome.

I agree completely.

However, the topic at hand is "cloning autos".

 

[SquishMitten]

KuLong's right, although I respect the fact that you're basically telling me it can't be done and if it is done it'll have a poor result. I was just looking at an answer. I think the best answer to the question was that autoflowers are based upon age, not photoperiod, taking a cutting from a plant early would just cause a loss of usable budsites to the mother and a fucked up mutant clone that is already about to flower while it's still trying to create roots.

I was thinking about trying the whole thing, but now it just seems counterintuitive. Thanks for all the advice guys

 

[homebrewer]

KuLong's right, although I respect the fact that you're basically telling me it can't be done and if it is done it'll have a poor result. I was just looking at an answer. I think the best answer to the question was that autoflowers are based upon age, not photoperiod, taking a cutting from a plant early would just cause a loss of usable budsites to the mother and a fucked up mutant clone that is already about to flower while it's still trying to create roots.

I was thinking about trying the whole thing, but now it just seems counterintuitive. Thanks for all the advice guys

If you've ever flowered a plant, then revegged it, then you'll know the growth structure that I'm talking about. I could tell autos were not meant to be held in 24 hours of light, nor were they meant to be cloned. You can clone an auto with ease. The hard part is keeping any kind of mom for an extended period of time and growing the cuttings up to be anything worth while. It was a mistake on my part and I would not recommend it.

 

[ghb]

and the short answer is

DONT CLONE AUTOS!

i wouldn't even grow an auto, they have been known to have unstable genetics.
if you are impatient just get an 8 week strain and put it on 12/12 from seed. if it has decent genetics and you grow it properly you can get an oz of decent weed.