36 Watts Led Grow In Action Again!!!:)
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Garden Knowm
The Love Doctor
Hey TM.... that plant looks seriously HUNGRY.. those leaves should be green not yellow..
have you been giving high dose of Nitrogen wth proper pHed water..?
cheers
THANKS FOR THE PICS!!!
have you been giving high dose of Nitrogen wth proper pHed water..?
cheers
THANKS FOR THE PICS!!!
chronicle
Well-Known Member
nice defensive first post lol, noone is "hating" on led's. i dont think there is anyone being negative, we are speaking our opinions about what we believe to be outcomes. honestly, for your first post why not actually post something about the weed instead of an unnecessary defensive list of assumptional things. even the people who are skeptical atleast wish him good luck and give him respect for trying something new. i cant wait to see what flowering is gonna look like, and i wouldnt be surprised to see his LEDs outproduce CFLs.A message to all the haters:
- If you think LEDs are a rip off, then don't buy them.
- If this man wants to do a micro grow using LEDs, then what's it to you?
- When the government starts rationing electricity, we'll all be using LEDs...
seriously, just because alot of us are skeptical about LEDs doesnt mean we dont support this guy & what hes doing. hes a fellow grower and we're here to give opinions and advice, and noone ever said his LEDs are a rip off. dunno why you felt the need to post something so defensive, i personally think his plants look awesome.
theyve grown a good bit since this thread began, i really wanna see what the buds look like! i might get some to veg with, i wonder if my local hydroponics store carries them - wouldnt mind adding a hundred watts to my current veg setup.
DWR
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All but the 3rd line isnt true ^^A message to all the haters:
- If you think LEDs are a rip off, then don't buy them.
- If this man wants to do a micro grow using LEDs, then what's it to you?
- When the government starts rationing electricity, we'll all be using LEDs...
I will never grow with leds because of the gov. or our bundesrat
^^
I think your plants look real cute man.... Didnt think anything would grow ^^
tm21thc
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Hey Garden Knowm!
The pic was kinda bad!
I noticed that the lower leafs are getting yellow and the tips!
So what can I buy from wal-mart to getting more green!
Thanks!
Here are some better pic from the same plant!
tahoe58
Well-Known Member
hey man....looks like you got a good gro going....trey some plant food that has higher N (nitrogen)....most have a ratio of them of N-P-K.....so for vegeing you want something like 6-3-3....or whatever....good luck man... there are lots of resources online...this is one.... PLANT FOOD AND NUTRIENTS Weed (Cannabis) Growing Guide: .....good luck!
moon47usaco
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Man go to a grow store and get real nuts... I prefer organic but thats just me...
Those pellets and sticks are bad news... No real control of levels of nutrients your plants get... Easy to burn... =O
Those pellets and sticks are bad news... No real control of levels of nutrients your plants get... Easy to burn... =O
tm21thc
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chronicle
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yea i agree, i cringed when i saw that pic of those random home depot nutes lol. organic is the way to go! get some Pure Blend Pro or Liquid Karma, anything by Botanicare, General Hydroponics, or Advanced Nutrients will be great! if your local hydro shop doesnt carry those brands, just order off HTGsupply - theres tons of good brands.
email468
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after reading through these posts, i decided to attempt to educate myself on LEDs and it was an eye-opener.
Let me start by saying - I'm not hating on your grow or your experiment with LEDs - in fact i applaud it. I have never grown with LEDs or CFLs and am often wrong but so far my research on LEDs has not been favorable.
My opinion:
I think telling new growers LEDs are a viable alternative to CFLs or HIDs without sharing the pitfalls is disingenuous. Most folks would be a lot better off using CFLs or low-watt HIDs rather than investing in LEDs.
My research:
One of the posters said something about - some of us don't want duct work, heat, etc.. but did you price these LED lights?
i had a look at some LED grow light specs and pricing and holy hell are they expensive!!
according to this site:
LED Growlights.com Sales
the cost to replace just 400w of HID lights costs near a grand! how long do you have to live to recover that cost on your electric bill???
and to replace my 1000w HIDs (600w HPS and a 400w MH) would cost over 2000 dollars! Christ! - i could rent the grow room an apartment and run ductwork to three states for that much.
and the punch line is it appears you still have to use HPS to flower so all arguments for using LEDs (cost, ventilation, heat, etc..) are no longer valid as soon as you switch to 12/12?
My conclusion:
so dollar for dollar - a small grow that can't or won't accommodate HIDs would be much better off investing in CFLs. Keep the plants short and throw lots of light at it.
anything else and HIDs still seem to be king of the hill.
in the future we'll probably all be using LEDs (or the equivalent)
Let me start by saying - I'm not hating on your grow or your experiment with LEDs - in fact i applaud it. I have never grown with LEDs or CFLs and am often wrong but so far my research on LEDs has not been favorable.
My opinion:
I think telling new growers LEDs are a viable alternative to CFLs or HIDs without sharing the pitfalls is disingenuous. Most folks would be a lot better off using CFLs or low-watt HIDs rather than investing in LEDs.
My research:
One of the posters said something about - some of us don't want duct work, heat, etc.. but did you price these LED lights?
i had a look at some LED grow light specs and pricing and holy hell are they expensive!!
according to this site:
LED Growlights.com Sales
the cost to replace just 400w of HID lights costs near a grand! how long do you have to live to recover that cost on your electric bill???
and to replace my 1000w HIDs (600w HPS and a 400w MH) would cost over 2000 dollars! Christ! - i could rent the grow room an apartment and run ductwork to three states for that much.
and the punch line is it appears you still have to use HPS to flower so all arguments for using LEDs (cost, ventilation, heat, etc..) are no longer valid as soon as you switch to 12/12?
My conclusion:
so dollar for dollar - a small grow that can't or won't accommodate HIDs would be much better off investing in CFLs. Keep the plants short and throw lots of light at it.
anything else and HIDs still seem to be king of the hill.
in the future we'll probably all be using LEDs (or the equivalent)
chronicle
Well-Known Member
cool research, i think i agree with you completely. im not surprised that it would cost over $2000 to replace your HIDs with the equivilant of LEDs, im also not too shocked to see that HPS is still virtually required for flowering. ive been recommending that the poster invest in alot more lights for flowering, like you said he needs to keep the plants short and preferably double the light theyre currently getting. im glad you posted this research, too many defensive newbies are percieving our skepticism the wrong way - they seriously need to either do research or atleast TRY to understand our points of view - all this "who cares what ppl say" crap defeats the purpose of the forum.
regardless of what some defensive people will say (like the guy who used his first post to rant about the "haters", as if anyone cared), by sharing the downsides and making known the bad/good aspects - it opens alot of peoples eyes and spreads knowledge. there seriously are alot of downsides to LEDs, as email468 has pointed out - just because we are mentioning them doesnt mean we're being negative or "hating" lol.
on another note, the plants are lookin awesome dude! keep it up, and make sure to get some nice organics like you said - you'll be fine with something from botanicare, foxfarm, or advanced nutrients. since you set your timer, does this mean they have started flowering?
kochab
New Member
im still waiting to see flowering. i can imagine that this will become more of a cfl grow then than an led grow then, but if it dosent id love to see the results from a led flower.... I know ive knocked led's alot in the past but this guy has shown that they do decently for vegging plants. im still not convinced on flower that they are gonna be useful though.