Aliens

[Padawanbater2]

Seems to me that its the other way around. Your so sure that our understanding of physics is flawless, and I've never heard scientist claim this. And what of Quantum Physics, even now new theories are being developed. Yet still, in your self deluded "infinite wisdom" are sure its impossible, and how its useless to speculate. Yet it was speculating like this that let to the physics you so worship. It was once believed by "scientist" that at 60 miles per hour vehicles/we would be torn apart. As our understanding of physics and technology grew, re realized we were wrong, now we break soundbarriers on a regular basis. For all your talk about your understanding of physics, I think you need to take time reading what scientist are working on now, it would surprise you...

Dude, you guys simply are not grasping what I'm saying. Listen to me, this is the last time I'm saying it, I'll say it as simple and clearly as possible..

Our understanding of nothing is flawless. Science does not deal with absolute certainty. No matter how right we think we are about... anything, we could still be wrong.

I have admitted this since I first understood it, which was in the very beginning of my science education in school.

The point I've been making is that it is pointless to sit here and speculate about how some alien species could reach our planet via theoretical means to current human technology. Not only that, Dropastone has been taking all the stuff he's been thinking up that's all theoretical and determining it's already fact. Then trying to use that as evidence to support the idea that aliens visit Earth. How the hell is that not total nonsense to anyone following along?

Watch, I can do the same thing!

Maybe aliens just warp here, somehow send all the atoms they're built with like in the movie Doom to some receiver on this end, ta-da!

Or howbout if they open up other dimensions and just walk through theirs into ours?!

Oh I know! What about if they just already live on one of Saturn or Jupiter's satellites? Then the trip wouldn't take nearly as long as we've been talking about!

...

....

....... .....

Fuck..

Can you finally see the problem I have with this way of "discussing" this shit?

Pick up where the frustration might come from..?

I don't mean to be a dick, but fuck guys... Aliens COULD get here a MILLION different ways, I don't give a fuck about that. I'm interested in THE REAL ways WE KNOW they MIGHT get here. FUCK! How hard is that to understand?

Here, here's another one...

They might be invisible and already be here in our atmosphere, just cloaked all the time and invisible to our radar technology!

Maybe they're renting a room from the lead singer of the band Creed, that Scott guy, they're just laying low for a couple months till shit cools down economically...

Fuck..


lmao, but fuck man... Don't take this personally.

 

[RavenMochi]

Dude, you guys simply are not grasping what I'm saying. Listen to me, this is the last time I'm saying it, I'll say it as simple and clearly as possible..

Our understanding of nothing is flawless. Science does not deal with absolute certainty. No matter how right we think we are about... anything, we could still be wrong.

I have admitted this since I first understood it, which was in the very beginning of my science education in school.

The point I've been making is that it is pointless to sit here and speculate about how some alien species could reach our planet via theoretical means to current human technology. Not only that, Dropastone has been taking all the stuff he's been thinking up that's all theoretical and determining it's already fact. Then trying to use that as evidence to support the idea that aliens visit Earth. How the hell is that not total nonsense to anyone following along?

Watch, I can do the same thing!

Maybe aliens just warp here, somehow send all the atoms they're built with like in the movie Doom to some receiver on this end, ta-da!

Or howbout if they open up other dimensions and just walk through theirs into ours?!

Oh I know! What about if they just already live on one of Saturn or Jupiter's satellites? Then the trip wouldn't take nearly as long as we've been talking about!

...

....

....... .....

Fuck..

Can you finally see the problem I have with this way of "discussing" this shit?

Pick up where the frustration might come from..?

I don't mean to be a dick, but fuck guys... Aliens COULD get here a MILLION different ways, I don't give a fuck about that. I'm interested in THE REAL ways WE KNOW they MIGHT get here. FUCK! How hard is that to understand?

Here, here's another one...

They might be invisible and already be here in our atmosphere, just cloaked all the time and invisible to our radar technology!

Maybe they're renting a room from the lead singer of the band Creed, that Scott guy, they're just laying low for a couple months till shit cools down economically...

Fuck..


lmao, but fuck man... Don't take this personally.

Thats like being able to go back in time to ask Archimedes to explain how people will manage to talk to each other from great distances. You think he would have been like "electrical lines carrying signals over large...etc" No, its would be well past his technological understanding. So in a conversation about intelligent life more advanced then us being able to make the trip, you want a detailed explanation of the technology a race would use to get here. We are not at that level of technological understanding, you dumbshit. That doesn't mean we won't be, we just sure as shit aren't now. And yea, being invisible to radar would be crazy...oh, wait, stealth planes...You knew this was going to be a hypothetical conversation to begin with, if thats a problem for you, then don't participate, how fucking hard is that, seriously?

 

[RavenMochi]

Dude, you guys simply are not grasping what I'm saying. Listen to me, this is the last time I'm saying it, I'll say it as simple and clearly as possible..

Our understanding of nothing is flawless. Science does not deal with absolute certainty. No matter how right we think we are about... anything, we could still be wrong.

I have admitted this since I first understood it, which was in the very beginning of my science education in school.

The point I've been making is that it is pointless to sit here and speculate about how some alien species could reach our planet via theoretical means to current human technology. Not only that, Dropastone has been taking all the stuff he's been thinking up that's all theoretical and determining it's already fact. Then trying to use that as evidence to support the idea that aliens visit Earth. How the hell is that not total nonsense to anyone following along?

Watch, I can do the same thing!

Maybe aliens just warp here, somehow send all the atoms they're built with like in the movie Doom to some receiver on this end, ta-da!

Or howbout if they open up other dimensions and just walk through theirs into ours?!

Oh I know! What about if they just already live on one of Saturn or Jupiter's satellites? Then the trip wouldn't take nearly as long as we've been talking about!

...

....

....... .....

Fuck..

Can you finally see the problem I have with this way of "discussing" this shit?

Pick up where the frustration might come from..?

I don't mean to be a dick, but fuck guys... Aliens COULD get here a MILLION different ways, I don't give a fuck about that. I'm interested in THE REAL ways WE KNOW they MIGHT get here. FUCK! How hard is that to understand?

Here, here's another one...

They might be invisible and already be here in our atmosphere, just cloaked all the time and invisible to our radar technology!

Maybe they're renting a room from the lead singer of the band Creed, that Scott guy, they're just laying low for a couple months till shit cools down economically...

Fuck..


lmao, but fuck man... Don't take this personally.

Actually, most of the time I see your post you seem to be throwing one fit or another. If it frustrates you so, why keep up with it? Or do you just need drama in your life?

 

[Padawanbater2]

Thats like being able to go back in time to ask Archimedes to explain how people will manage to talk to each other from great distances. You think he would have been like "electrical lines carrying signals over large...etc" No, its would be well past his technological understanding. So in a conversation about intelligent life more advanced then us being able to make the trip, you want a detailed explanation of the technology a race would use to get here. We are not at that level of technological understanding, you dumbshit. That doesn't mean we won't be, we just sure as shit aren't now. And yea, being invisible to radar would be crazy...oh, wait, stealth planes...You knew this was going to be a hypothetical conversation to begin with, if thats a problem for you, then don't participate, how fucking hard is that, seriously?

What did I just tell you at the very end of that last post you quoted man, stop taking things personally. Why are you getting so sensitive. Relax.

Now, you tell me the benefit of what you both are doing? Where does it get us?

Actually, most of the time I see your post you seem to be throwing one fit or another. If it frustrates you so, why keep up with it? Or do you just need drama in your life?

You ever see a car accident... yeah, it's like that...

 

[RavenMochi]

I used to be a mobile for a radio station (our sole job was to check out the wrecks and call in with reports, ie lanes blocked, fatality/no, etc) so I don't look at it the same way, When I pass an accident now I don't look, seen enough for 5 lifetimes...

where does it get us? I didn't pay anything, so I don't expect anything. Its a conversation to stay entertained when I have time to login and check what threads have done what. Its like most of what you watch on discovery channel, pick up some useless facts, burn a half hour, and thats about it. I don't sit there afterwards and wonder, "what good was watching that to me?" It was a fleeting entertainment, nothing more....a chance to figure out what other people are thinking on the matter.

 

[Tw3nti3ight]

This plant we all love is ET...

The pot plant is an ALIEN plant. There is physical evidence that cannabis is not like any other plant on this planet. One could conclude that it was brought here for the benefit of humanity. Cannabis is the ONLY plant where the males appear one way and the females appear very different, physically! No one ever speaks of males and females in regard to the plant kingdom because plants do not show their sexes; except for cannabis. To determine what sex a certain, normal, Earthly plant is: You have to look internally, at its DNA. A male blade of grass (physically) looks exactly like a female blade of grass. The hemp plant has an intense sexuallity.

 

[RavenMochi]

If that were true, I would want to kiss the alien that brought it and ask "so, uh...what else ya'll got?"

 

[Padawanbater2]

I used to be a mobile for a radio station (our sole job was to check out the wrecks and call in with reports, ie lanes blocked, fatality/no, etc) so I don't look at it the same way, When I pass an accident now I don't look, seen enough for 5 lifetimes...

where does it get us? I didn't pay anything, so I don't expect anything. Its a conversation to stay entertained when I have time to login and check what threads have done what. Its like most of what you watch on discovery channel, pick up some useless facts, burn a half hour, and thats about it. I don't sit there afterwards and wonder, "what good was watching that to me?" It was a fleeting entertainment, nothing more....a chance to figure out what other people are thinking on the matter.

Well to me it's a lot bigger than that. I wish I could just sit down and enjoy shit like that but something in my brain wont allow it to happen.

I know deep down I most likely won't change jack shit about anything typing away my thoughts and opinions, yet here I am. I don't really know what you call that...

Doesn't matter I guess.

It just bothers me to see otherwise smart people carry such misguided opinions about real world issues that really do mean something. I hear what you're probably thinking right about now all the time... "but dude, you're just thinking too much about it, you're taking it too seriously, just relax and don't worry about any of that, live your life and enjoy it.."... Well, that is my life. Perhaps the problems exist because not enough people do take them seriously...

Idk man... The world won't end while I'm around so fuck it right? It might, and probably will, get a lot fuckin' worse than it is... Make the most of what you've got.

 

[RavenMochi]

Well to me it's a lot bigger than that. I wish I could just sit down and enjoy shit like that but something in my brain wont allow it to happen.

I know deep down I most likely won't change jack shit about anything typing away my thoughts and opinions, yet here I am. I don't really know what you call that...

Doesn't matter I guess.

It just bothers me to see otherwise smart people carry such misguided opinions about real world issues that really do mean something. I hear what you're probably thinking right about now all the time... "but dude, you're just thinking too much about it, you're taking it too seriously, just relax and don't worry about any of that, live your life and enjoy it.."... Well, that is my life. Perhaps the problems exist because not enough people do take them seriously...

Idk man... The world won't end while I'm around so fuck it right? It might, and probably will, get a lot fuckin' worse than it is... Make the most of what you've got.

Okay, what about the conversation do you feel needs to be treated more seriously? Is your concern that if it were us, we would be scoping out the other planet thinking "this shit is about to be ours..."? Is it the fact that the rumors suggest that they've been checking out our nuclear defense facilities?

To answer one of your concerns about the possibility of using worm holes, traversable wormholes, would only be possible if with negative energy density could be used to stabilize them. Which sound like saying "its impossible" only we are learning to make antimatter in a more stable form (apparently at first we were proud to pull of a 10th of second before it was gone, now they won't say, only that it can be measured by a real world clock...) So while I damn sure won't be on the front lines of testing that theory, make no mistake, someone will...

 

[Padawanbater2]

Thats like being able to go back in time to ask Archimedes to explain how people will manage to talk to each other from great distances. You think he would have been like "electrical lines carrying signals over large...etc" No, its would be well past his technological understanding. So in a conversation about intelligent life more advanced then us being able to make the trip, you want a detailed explanation of the technology a race would use to get here. We are not at that level of technological understanding, you dumbshit. That doesn't mean we won't be, we just sure as shit aren't now. And yea, being invisible to radar would be crazy...oh, wait, stealth planes...You knew this was going to be a hypothetical conversation to begin with, if thats a problem for you, then don't participate, how fucking hard is that, seriously?

Okay, what about the conversation do you feel needs to be treated more seriously? Is your concern that if it were us, we would be scoping out the other planet thinking "this shit is about to be ours..."? Is it the fact that the rumors suggest that they've been checking out our nuclear defense facilities?

To answer one of your concerns about the possibility of using worm holes, traversable wormholes, would only be possible if with negative energy density could be used to stabilize them. Which sound like saying "its impossible" only we are learning to make antimatter in a more stable form (apparently at first we were proud to pull of a 10th of second before it was gone, now they won't say, only that it can be measured by a real world clock...) So while I damn sure won't be on the front lines of testing that theory, make no mistake, someone will...

Just everything man, and not just about this one conversation.

After reading this thread and observing Dropastones posts, and realizing millions of other Americans think in the exact same way, you have to come to the conclusion that that is a problem. It's scientific illiteracy. I'm not saying that to be a dick, or to be offensive. That's only my opinion, it's like you can't say that without having the other guy automatically take offense. I'm not calling him stupid, or anyone stupid. I'm just saying they are going about thinking about this stuff in the wrong way because reality doesn't work like that. Logical thought processes don't work like that. You can't just think something up then believe it to be true based off whatever "proof" you've assigned to it. It's like people can't understand how that has real world implications..

Like I said man... I just don't know... this stuff is right out in the open, seems obvious to me, I know MP is getting it, people just don't think anymore... You could figure out 99% of the shit you need to know if you just give it a little thought, and people can't seem to do that...

 

[RavenMochi]

But what is it you feel they aren't figuring out. And how was spitting out scientific theory being explored by the scientific minds of our day scientific illiteracy. Not to be a dick, but it seems like that fits you more than anyone. Its like all of these studies happened while you were under a rock...Did you forget that the atomic bomb was once considered only theoretical? What is the wrong way. Please, teach us to think. When I put it that way, sounds kinda pompous, doesn't it? Thats how your coming across. I've gotten through my life figuring out everything I needed to without you telling me how to think. but no, go on oh wise one, what is wrong with out thought process?

In fact, tell me ANYTHING that you've figured out on your own that flies past the feeble minds of the rest of us....

 

[Padawanbater2]

But what is it you feel they aren't figuring out. And how was spitting out scientific theory being explored by the scientific minds of our day scientific illiteracy. Not to be a dick, but it seems like that fits you more than anyone. Its like all of these studies happened while you were under a rock...Did you forget that the atomic bomb was once considered only theoretical? What is the wrong way. Please, teach us to think. When I put it that way, sounds kinda pompous, doesn't it? Thats how your coming across. I've gotten through my life figuring out everything I needed to without you telling me how to think. but no, go on oh wise one, what is wrong with out thought process?

In fact, tell me ANYTHING that you've figured out on your own that flies past the feeble minds of the rest of us....

Dude CLEARLY just copy/pasted both those articles without even reading them first, did you see how I dissected it and proved exactly what I said he was doing? The entire thing was speculation.

And the fact this needs even further explaining is beyond my comprehension, but fuck it, we'll try yet AGAIN...

When did I ever say theoretical science was useless?

I said speculating on the technologies aliens could have is useless in this discussion. As I said before, they COULD HAVE ANYTHING, are we going to sit here and talk about all the things they could have that we just haven't figured out yet?

Will someone else step in and mediate this shit, because if I'm explaining it in a way that is just impossible to understand, fuckin' tell me, Jesus, let's move past this shit already...

And I'm not telling you how you should think.

I made an observation that most people these days simply don't think past survival.

They take it completely for granted.


If by "the rest of us" you mean a simple majority, that's easy as fuck.

I'm an atheist bro.. lmfao

 

[RavenMochi]

I said speculating on the technologies aliens could have is useless in this discussion. As I said before, they COULD HAVE ANYTHING, are we going to sit here and talk about all the things they could have that we just haven't figured out yet?
I'm an atheist bro.. lmfao

Then why the fuck are you in a thread that has a topic about aliens. What the fuck did you think this discussion was about? EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE THEORETICAL HERE, until you see the news cast saying, "oh shit, they're here..."

And being an atheist has shit to do with this conversation, but thank you for sharing.

As far as the copy paste article, were you really expecting him to go do 10 yrs worth of personal research and come back with what he found? Oh, yea, you wanted him to think about it first. By giving it unaltered from the source he left out the ability for his opinion to contaminate the info.

As far as worm holes, again, not speculation, theory. Not QUITE the same, I can speculate that there is a monkey on the moon, but theory showed the atom bomb was possible before the first detonation.

Again, what have you figured out to talk that much shit? Any grand discovery, anything but being an asshole to contribute to the conversation? Anything at all? Do you contribute, and if so, what?

 

[Tw3nti3ight]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20101118/ts_afp/usspaceastronomyeuropegermanychile_20101118204119

Slightly larger than the size of Jupiter....

It's Nibiru....just have to R/E/A/D/ through the BS to find truth....

So funny how Washington controls what is announced....

I am so pumped!!!

 

[Dropastone]

I want to assure everyone, I do read and watch everything before I post it.

[youtube]hriqvP-RVxc[/youtube]

All great advancements in our society all begin in theory first, then explored. Without theory and speculation were would we be today? For anyone to say that something is just not possible, then they are only fooling themselves.

 

[Dropastone]

[youtube]lw9-ZaoCG5A&feature=fvw[/youtube]

 

[Dropastone]

If you don't have and open mind, then there is no need to watch the videos or read any articles I post. Because in the end you will only deny it's plausibility anyway.

[youtube]AQmi_Be0Xbs&feature=related[/youtube]

For those of you that do have an open mind.

Enjoy and have a nice day.

 

[mindphuk]

This plant we all love is ET...

The pot plant is an ALIEN plant. There is physical evidence that cannabis is not like any other plant on this planet. One could conclude that it was brought here for the benefit of humanity. Cannabis is the ONLY plant where the males appear one way and the females appear very different, physically! No one ever speaks of males and females in regard to the plant kingdom because plants do not show their sexes; except for cannabis. To determine what sex a certain, normal, Earthly plant is: You have to look internally, at its DNA. A male blade of grass (physically) looks exactly like a female blade of grass. The hemp plant has an intense sexuallity.

When you make a claim about something, it would be helpful if you had actual facts to support your position. I have responded to your ridiculous claim previously and I'm sure you will ignore this response too. Cannabis is hardly the only dioecious plant. Here's a list http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Dioecious_plants

Here's another helpful point. If we are to find something of extraterrestrial origin, it will have a different method of encoding and passing along genetic information. DNA is the process that evolved on Earth. It is extremely unlikely, probabilities approaching zero, that an alien species will also evolve using DNA using the same four amino acids T, G, C, A. There will be other unique characteristics of alien biology and although will have analogous features, will be unlike anything we have studied to date. Cannabis is most certainly of terrestrial origin and is genetically related to other species of plants including hops and hackberry.

 

[SOGfarmer]

Conveniently skipped over the entire rest of my post where I brought up Tysons point about traversing the void of interstellar space only to crash land on Earth...

That makes perfect sense to you?

..nothing to say about the European analogy

OK then...

Well what you failed to realize is that i said there are thousands of UFO sightings every year. I don't know if many UFO crash landing sightings lol. There there. You choose to disregard them. Whatever tho obv wont be changin ur mind.

 

[mindphuk]

Well what you failed to realize is that i said there are thousands of UFO sightings every year. I don't know if many UFO crash landing sightings lol. There there. You choose to disregard them. Whatever tho obv wont be changin ur mind.

There are millions of religious miracles; bigfoot and Nessie sightings; claims of healing water, crystals and vortices; instances of telekinesis, clairvoyance and other ESP phenomena reported every year. Do you choose to disregard them?
The thing is, most extraordinary claims are investigated to some extent. This bears repeating because no one seems to acknowledge it but the burden of proof is not on the skeptic. It is up to the proponent of an idea to present the evidence to support that idea. When ufologists are asked to present their best evidence, their cases of sightings that demand a conclusion of extraterrestrial involvement, they routinely come up short. The shear number of sightings is not enough to abandon skeptical, reasonable thinking, especially considering the most sightings can be explained by naturalistic and mundane, not alien, phenomena.