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tafbang

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wait..... then why do people usually use a 24 light cycle? what you are saying means doing that is pointless?


well, I'm going to gradually decrease the lighting to around 15 hours of light and give them about 7-8 hours of darkness.

thoughts? they do need better root growth so it sounds logical to me.
 

asdf1

Active Member
wait..... then why do people usually use a 24 light cycle? what you are saying means doing that is pointless?


well, I'm going to gradually decrease the lighting to around 15 hours of light and give them about 7-8 hours of darkness.

thoughts? they do need better root growth so it sounds logical to me.
If you are serious...... Your a moron who hasnt done an ounce of reasearch.. Or if like you said youve done tons of research than you must not be doing much effective research. Theres a way to do a ghetto grow and this is not it.

This is the saddest most pathetic excuse for a grow i have ever heard of.

If you wanna grow do some actual research and learn something so you can at least get bud out of it.

I got bud out of my first grow you can too
 

tafbang

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If you are serious...... Your a moron who hasnt done an ounce of reasearch.. Or if like you said youve done tons of research than you must not be doing much effective research. Theres a way to do a ghetto grow and this is not it.

This is the saddest most pathetic excuse for a grow i have ever heard of.

If you wanna grow do some actual research and learn something so you can at least get bud out of it.

I got bud out of my first grow you can too
You should've done research before saying anything you just said.
there is a basis of the story in my sig which is on every page. it was unplanned.


the 2nd time a round I'll be ready as it would be a grow that I started on purpose... and not as in. "Oh hey, I've had these seeds for like 2 years now, i should just put them in the cheapest dirt at the store and let them sit in there." I didn't expect anything out of it. I was no botanist before. I studied many things except for plants since highschool biology. besides that. the past is the past. I have 8 plants to worry bout rather than repeating this story 179 times


and about this no research.... I've been on this site for less than a week and have more post than you.... no research my ass. thanks for helping


I've read every single post on 2 of the biggest grow threads on this site.
 

tafbang

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because I didn't know the basis behind the purpose of darkness? you're a cunt. fuck yourself. I even said botany was the last thing in this world I've studied.

If I would've gotten all my answers reading I wouldn't have signed up for this site. you're pushing it buddy.

everything in these forums are mostly people telling them what to do, and simple description why. it's usually. give them this amount of light because they'll grow this certain way. and give them this amount of darkness and they'll grow this way. it's never broken down to a textbook. just basic directions. quit being an internet fool.
 

BSIv2.0

Well-Known Member
I think all the flak you're getting is avoidable. A humble approach is best when you're not so sure about everything.

You sound like you know what you're doing...Yet, ask basic Q's...And refuse to accept help. That will get your threads flamed in any forum....Not just a Cannabis forum.

You sound like you don't mind reading...And I'm pretty sure you're a lot brighter than you're coming off in this thread.

Click here for some good info minus other people's attitude.

Hope you get it all figured out....




 

NLXSK1

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I just realized that tafbang's avatar is perfect.

He is not a grower but plays a smartass one on the internet.
 

bigv1976

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Why do people come up with bullshit here and defend it til the end and call people names when they explain that your bullshit is bullshit? I would think a new guy would appreciate being corrected. Its about growing weed, not trying to sound smarter than you are.
 

tafbang

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I definitely shouldn't have responded. I let them get to me. It started off slow so it was easier to fend off and I guess things just escalated.

all it takes is a block button. but they still are stalking every thread I'm in and just trolilng.. lol smh.


anyways. all the plants have came back strong. I'm assuming it was just the transplant that shocked them a little


and for the last couple people. I just asked for legitimate thoughts/facts. I listened to the few like barbie and another 2 that said something I could apply to my situation to help. as some had just said things that were already mentioned and started going off on some random things that have been addressed multiple times. Just a little frustrating as I was expecting things to be clean for my 1st thread in these forums.

I will not be addressing these situations any further and hopefully can give some visuals of the grow op asap
 
Dude you were an asshole way before you made this thread. I think everybody just noticed u trolling the boards, and when they noticed you made a thread with such a bad grow they jumped on you, and you just kept on proving that you deserved it. Anyway I dont think theres a point to this thread unless you post some pictures, so can we all just stop posting and let it die out. If you want to post pictures its easy just walk up to mommy or a friend at school, and ask to borrow their camera, make up any excuse that fits your life, take pics, post, delete, and return camera in a timely manner so that nobody minds you borrowing it.

BTW: There is nothing wrong with reading, you dont really need people force feeding you answers that your not gonna accept anyway. Notice how i've been on here longer than you, and before that i was researching for months on this and other board without an account, but i still have less posts. It's because 90% of the time i have a question, I find the answer before I even ask it. That is what is so great about this site. And when you do ask either because you couldnt find your answer or maybe your too lazy all you have to do is ask nicely, and respond respectfully as you would anyway in any adult conversation and youl get what you need.
 

Brick Top

New Member
I just got done building a co2 dripping system. bout time.

I was not going to say anything more in this thread but you really put the cart WAY before the horse with that one guy. You should have invested in some true high quality lighting and in some decent growing containers of the proper size, one per plant, and in some reflective material better than white sheets, and in high quality soil (if you are not already using high quality soil) and in some high quality fertilizers/nutrients. A PH/EC/PPM/TDS meter would be of great help too. A scope, even a very basic inexpensive one like Radio Shack sells online for roughly $13.00 so you can check your trichomes so you can better judge when it is best to harvest, IF you get lucky and manage to get to that point, would be really handy to have too. http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2179604

As good as adding CO2 is it is about the last thing someone should do while building a growing system unless they are in a position to do it all, from A to Z, all at once before they begin growing. Without everything else that is vitally needed it is not going to make a tinkers damn of a difference in the success of a grow. CO2 is one of the bells and whistles that you add to an already quality growing setup, something you clearly do not have, and it then makes that quality growing setup better. But it will not make up for all the other things that are highly important and needed that have to come first if someone hopes to have any hope and chance of success.


Dude .. follow this link and read. It is an online growing book. I will not swear it is the ultimate source of all knowledge but it will help you.

http://books.google.ca/books?id=vrDRMU96oQEC&printsec=frontcover&dq=the+everything+marijuana+book&hl=en&ei=N9PuTIqRD4uWsgONnMzYCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false


Then try these. Some are only chapters of growing books dealing with specifics and others are large portions of books (various chapters spread out, unfortunately with some gaps, but still very helpful) and one or two might even be entire growing books. They will all come in handy at some point in time. (some may be duplicates since I do get overzealous in my bookmarking, sorry for any possible duplicates)

http://books.google.com/books?id=rnwwxoOb3gUC&pg=PA107&lpg=PA107&dq=marijuana+processes+sugar&source=bl&ots=6hTJh0Hzkt&sig=CGVqguXzPxsQm9OYrNSQ2TafMHY&hl=en&ei=Ea-_Soh0zt3xBvWW1b0B&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3#v=onepage&q=marijuana processes sugar&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=rnwwxoOb3gUC&pg=PA138&lpg=PA138&dq=steer+manure+marijuana+growing&source=bl&ots=6hRMiVBFfs&sig=oQ40S1oMm8mcfsReLNrn3pP9Nyk&hl=en&ei=tai8SZnRN860twfk2Z35Cw&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=7&ct=result#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=fERzFsZhdxYC&pg=PA184&lpg=PA184&dq=reflective+paint+marijuana&source=bl&ots=t0QwcwOJNv&sig=_Qa9SlUkXSjK8Y3_BM69tn8WJ90&hl=en&ei=-7mlSZPyDMyJngemovmVBQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=9&ct=result#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=fERzFsZhdxYC&pg=PA93&lpg=PA93&dq=marijuana+cystolith+hairs&source=bl&ots=t0SudrJCUs&sig=KI--F3ehBmtDc3AschoomAr4gNI&hl=en&ei=yg-5Sq6fI87VlAeuwaXIDg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=rnwwxoOb3gUC&pg=PA107&lpg=PA107&dq=marijuana+processes+sugar&source=bl&ots=6hTJh0Hzkt&sig=CGVqguXzPxsQm9OYrNSQ2TafMHY&hl=en&ei=Ea-_Soh0zt3xBvWW1b0B&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3#v=onepage&q=marijuana processes sugar&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=fERzFsZhdxYC&pg=PA170&lpg=PA170&dq=metal+halide+light+spectrum+marijuana&source=bl&ots=t0TsbtIJMm&sig=o7YrBJ0LnkA_2aGIcRaNT-nqBj4&hl=en&ei=KGEwS6CJApOIMofvlI0I&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9&ved=0CC0Q6AEwCDgK#v=onepage&q=metal halide light spectrum marijuana&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=LvnxcADQnCUC&pg=PA125&lpg=PA125&dq=metal+halide+light+spectrum+marijuana&source=bl&ots=PWIywJ6nt4&sig=JMYNCEocxisUtRP7pkf9bampzQw&hl=en&ei=j2IwS7XjCZL-M_C37NwP&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10&ved=0CCYQ6AEwCTgU#v=onepage&q=metal halide light spectrum marijuana&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=YbBYBT1HZgYC&pg=PA292&lpg=PA292&dq=cannabinoids+explained&source=bl&ots=MjBiFi9Xix&sig=CN4ce4fwd-QE1nR841QU8mpdaLc&hl=en&ei=_m8mTKgLg_qXB4ygsc8D&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CCgQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=cannabinoids explained&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=_aK7dTNS1qkC&pg=PA16&lpg=PA16&dq=what+happens+to+cannabinoid+production+when+plants+are+pollinated&source=bl&ots=A_IiGy64G0&sig=8QrCxuIWTMY7-03thT6B-GNKV7c&hl=en&ei=9LUkTKCaLIG8lQfPloW2Aw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBIQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=JvIyVk2IL_sC&pg=PA7&lpg=PA7&dq=terpenoid+production+in+cannabis+plants&source=bl&ots=AAnNtauOhK&sig=i8Esxs8Oeo97sLC-23rdxVEQ-L0&hl=en&ei=vMUnTJvZIMTflgeA9bjsAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8&ved=0CDAQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=terpenoid production in cannabis plants&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=7FJqgQ3_tnUC&pg=PA140&lpg=PA140&dq=terpenoid+production+cannabis+plants&source=bl&ots=QsNArFX9P3&sig=1wrsmsOrV28seMQoPUiBYoQJ1FY&hl=en&ei=8dMnTJnKIcT7lwer8fmaAw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8&ved=0CDQQ6AEwBzge#v=onepage&q=terpenoid production cannabis plants&f=false


And try this .. some good information can be found there. I would not swear each piece of advice is the very best, but much of it is good and it's a heck of a lot better than having nothing to go by at all.


http://www.mellowgold.com/grow/mjbotany-removed/


For general lighting information that touches on various different forms of lighting and what they will give you, go here.

http://forum.grasscity.com/absolute-beginners/564033-lighting-guide.html


For more information go here, pick a topic and click on the link. Again I will not swear that every single bit of information is 100% the very best, but again, it is a heck of a lot better to have to go by than what you now have and how you are trying to find information.


http://www.420magazine.com/forums/frequently-asked-questions/83112-how-grow-cannabis-everything-you-need-know.html

Use these resources FIRST and you will avoid the tsunami of attitude you are getting from people here, and then returning it to them in spades. You will avoid the opinions, most of which are not all that valid, and the assumptions that are based on God only knows what.

Sites like this may seem like storehouses of knowledge too you but for the most part they are universities of ignorance where the blind lead the blind and pass on misconceptions, half-truths, partial facts, total inaccuracies, myths, urban legends and old hippie folklore.

Try to find as many answers to your questions as you possibly can from highly educated people whose life it is to study cannabis plants and who will give you facts, real true facts, actual botanical knowledge and you will be far better off than relying on ANY site like this for all you need.

Good luck ..... based on what you have written so far ...... all I can say is that you are going to need all of it that you can get!
 

Tahmi.Guhnn

Active Member
I was not going to say anything more in this thread but you really put the cart WAY before the horse with that one guy. You should have invested in some true high quality lighting and in some decent growing containers of the proper size, one per plant, and in some reflective material better than white sheets, and in high quality soil (if you are not already using high quality soil) and in some high quality fertilizers/nutrients. A PH/EC/PPM/TDS meter would be of great help too. A scope, even a very basic inexpensive one like Radio Shack sells online for roughly $13.00 so you can check your trichomes so you can better judge when it is best to harvest, IF you get lucky and manage to get to that point, would be really handy to have too. http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2179604

As good as adding CO2 is it is about the last thing someone should do while building a growing system unless they are in a position to do it all, from A to Z, all at once before they begin growing. Without everything else that is vitally needed it is not going to make a tinkers damn of a difference in the success of a grow. CO2 is one of the bells and whistles that you add to an already quality growing setup, something you clearly do not have, and it then makes that quality growing setup better. But it will not make up for all the other things that are highly important and needed that have to come first if someone hopes to have any hope and chance of success.


Dude .. follow this link and read. It is an online growing book. I will not swear it is the ultimate source of all knowledge but it will help you.

http://books.google.ca/books?id=vrDRMU96oQEC&printsec=frontcover&dq=the+everything+marijuana+book&hl=en&ei=N9PuTIqRD4uWsgONnMzYCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false


Then try these. Some are only chapters of growing books dealing with specifics and others are large portions of books (various chapters spread out, unfortunately with some gaps, but still very helpful) and one or two might even be entire growing books. They will all come in handy at some point in time. (some may be duplicates since I do get overzealous in my bookmarking, sorry for any possible duplicates)

http://books.google.com/books?id=rnwwxoOb3gUC&pg=PA107&lpg=PA107&dq=marijuana+processes+sugar&source=bl&ots=6hTJh0Hzkt&sig=CGVqguXzPxsQm9OYrNSQ2TafMHY&hl=en&ei=Ea-_Soh0zt3xBvWW1b0B&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3#v=onepage&q=marijuana processes sugar&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=rnwwxoOb3gUC&pg=PA138&lpg=PA138&dq=steer+manure+marijuana+growing&source=bl&ots=6hRMiVBFfs&sig=oQ40S1oMm8mcfsReLNrn3pP9Nyk&hl=en&ei=tai8SZnRN860twfk2Z35Cw&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=7&ct=result#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=fERzFsZhdxYC&pg=PA184&lpg=PA184&dq=reflective+paint+marijuana&source=bl&ots=t0QwcwOJNv&sig=_Qa9SlUkXSjK8Y3_BM69tn8WJ90&hl=en&ei=-7mlSZPyDMyJngemovmVBQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=9&ct=result#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=fERzFsZhdxYC&pg=PA93&lpg=PA93&dq=marijuana+cystolith+hairs&source=bl&ots=t0SudrJCUs&sig=KI--F3ehBmtDc3AschoomAr4gNI&hl=en&ei=yg-5Sq6fI87VlAeuwaXIDg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=rnwwxoOb3gUC&pg=PA107&lpg=PA107&dq=marijuana+processes+sugar&source=bl&ots=6hTJh0Hzkt&sig=CGVqguXzPxsQm9OYrNSQ2TafMHY&hl=en&ei=Ea-_Soh0zt3xBvWW1b0B&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3#v=onepage&q=marijuana processes sugar&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=fERzFsZhdxYC&pg=PA170&lpg=PA170&dq=metal+halide+light+spectrum+marijuana&source=bl&ots=t0TsbtIJMm&sig=o7YrBJ0LnkA_2aGIcRaNT-nqBj4&hl=en&ei=KGEwS6CJApOIMofvlI0I&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9&ved=0CC0Q6AEwCDgK#v=onepage&q=metal halide light spectrum marijuana&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=LvnxcADQnCUC&pg=PA125&lpg=PA125&dq=metal+halide+light+spectrum+marijuana&source=bl&ots=PWIywJ6nt4&sig=JMYNCEocxisUtRP7pkf9bampzQw&hl=en&ei=j2IwS7XjCZL-M_C37NwP&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10&ved=0CCYQ6AEwCTgU#v=onepage&q=metal halide light spectrum marijuana&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=YbBYBT1HZgYC&pg=PA292&lpg=PA292&dq=cannabinoids+explained&source=bl&ots=MjBiFi9Xix&sig=CN4ce4fwd-QE1nR841QU8mpdaLc&hl=en&ei=_m8mTKgLg_qXB4ygsc8D&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CCgQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=cannabinoids explained&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=_aK7dTNS1qkC&pg=PA16&lpg=PA16&dq=what+happens+to+cannabinoid+production+when+plants+are+pollinated&source=bl&ots=A_IiGy64G0&sig=8QrCxuIWTMY7-03thT6B-GNKV7c&hl=en&ei=9LUkTKCaLIG8lQfPloW2Aw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBIQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=JvIyVk2IL_sC&pg=PA7&lpg=PA7&dq=terpenoid+production+in+cannabis+plants&source=bl&ots=AAnNtauOhK&sig=i8Esxs8Oeo97sLC-23rdxVEQ-L0&hl=en&ei=vMUnTJvZIMTflgeA9bjsAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8&ved=0CDAQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=terpenoid production in cannabis plants&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=7FJqgQ3_tnUC&pg=PA140&lpg=PA140&dq=terpenoid+production+cannabis+plants&source=bl&ots=QsNArFX9P3&sig=1wrsmsOrV28seMQoPUiBYoQJ1FY&hl=en&ei=8dMnTJnKIcT7lwer8fmaAw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8&ved=0CDQQ6AEwBzge#v=onepage&q=terpenoid production cannabis plants&f=false


And try this .. some good information can be found there. I would not swear each piece of advice is the very best, but much of it is good and it's a heck of a lot better than having nothing to go by at all.


http://www.mellowgold.com/grow/mjbotany-removed/


For general lighting information that touches on various different forms of lighting and what they will give you, go here.

http://forum.grasscity.com/absolute-beginners/564033-lighting-guide.html


For more information go here, pick a topic and click on the link. Again I will not swear that every single bit of information is 100% the very best, but again, it is a heck of a lot better to have to go by than what you now have and how you are trying to find information.


http://www.420magazine.com/forums/frequently-asked-questions/83112-how-grow-cannabis-everything-you-need-know.html

Use these resources FIRST and you will avoid the tsunami of attitude you are getting from people here, and then returning it to them in spades. You will avoid the opinions, most of which are not all that valid, and the assumptions that are based on God only knows what.

Sites like this may seem like storehouses of knowledge too you but for the most part they are universities of ignorance where the blind lead the blind and pass on misconceptions, half-truths, partial facts, total inaccuracies, myths, urban legends and old hippie folklore.

Try to find as many answers to your questions as you possibly can from highly educated people whose life it is to study cannabis plants and who will give you facts, real true facts, actual botanical knowledge and you will be far better off than relying on ANY site like this for all you need.

Good luck ..... based on what you have written so far ...... all I can say is that you are going to need all of it that you can get!
BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURN and of course touche'

a little advice buddy this guy knows his shit
 

Pyro Peaches

Well-Known Member
I've got kinda the same crazy setup going on. Mines not quite as ghetto but it's along the same lines. I'm on your side on this one. First grows are an experiment. It's just bagseed. Do whatever you want. If you get anything outta the deal, great. If you don't, that's fine. At least you'll be more prepared next time. Good luck bro and I can't wait to see some pics! I'm workin on getting my own pics up.. check out my journal if ya want =]

And try not to let people get to you. Most of them are only trying to help, but some people can be downright rude. Just don't even respond to it. =] Peace and happy growing!
 

Brick Top

New Member
First grows are an experiment. It's just bagseed. Do whatever you want. If you get anything outta the deal, great. If you don't, that's fine. At least you'll be more prepared next time.
That really is bad advice.

First off, while the guy who started this thread might be growing from bagseed many, many others first attempt at growing are not made using bagseed.

If you do not research real true facts first and just go at it willy nilly you will make mistakes that you do not need to make. You may say you learn from mistakes but actually someone learns through education, through actual research of facts, not by killing off plants or growing scrub plants and then asking a collection of Beavis & Buttheads what went wrong.

You take the same risks and face the same penalties on your first grow as on any of them so why not do all you can to make the most of it? Unless someone just tosses beans out in the woods or something and then comes back months later to see if there is anything to harvest, they will be taking risks and they will be spending time and putting out effort and spending money on their grow, so why risk that and waste all that on what will likely be a failed attempt if you go into it with the mindset that it is only experimentation? Why not try your best to follow the proven rules of successful growing and have a decent or better chance of ending up with something worthwhile rather than play the crazed mad Dr. Potenstein on a first grow?

Many people think that being a good grower is being able to handle whatever problems occur during a grow. That is not the true definition of a good grower. It is important to know those things, but what makes a grower good is for them to become educated FIRST so they can avoid problems, so they do not occur, so they do not have to be dealt with in the first place, and while learning that they will also learn how to handle them if and when they do by chance still occur.

Trail and error and experimentation is NOT the best way to learn to grow in this day and age. There are too many quality resources out there to rely on that tell you step by step what you need and what to do and how to do it and using all of them that you possibly can BEFORE you order beans or pull them from a bag of seedy pot and pop them and then start asking people what to do next is infinitely better than going into it blindly and just hoping that luck will get you by and if it doesn't just saying, oh well, it was only an experiment .. that I REALLY, REALLY HOPED WOULD BE SUCCESSFUL!

When I began growing in 1972 unless you knew someone who was already experienced all you had was trial and error ... and if that is all you had you hoped you would get lucky enough to meet someone with real experience who could teach you. Well this is 2010 and there are high quality growing resources out the butt available to one and all so why in the wide, wide world of sports would anyone chose to jump into Mr. Peabody's Wayback Machine and go back to the 60's and 70's and try to grow like we were forced to back then?

In 1972 I would have damn near blown the Devil in the middle of Time Square at high noon just to get one single high quality book on how to grow cannabis in return, and I would have read it from cover to cover more than once before I made my first attempt at growing.

Someone does not build high-rise buildings by trial and error. Someone does not purchase carpentry tools and equipment and builds houses by trial and error. Someone does not get a job in a restaurant and become a chef by trial and error. Someone does not become a pilot by trial and error. Someone does not become an air traffic controller by trial and error. Someone does not become a cop by trial and error. Someone does not become a nuclear physicist by trail and error. Someone does not become a plumber by trial and error. Someone doesn't just grab a set of car keys and a car and try to head down the road and learn to drive by trial and error. Nothing starts out with trial and error so why intentionally pick that route for growing when it no longer needs to be done that way? In this day and age, in this era, it is irrational too do so.

I tend to believe it happens because most growers are impetuous youth who only think about dreamed of fantastic final results so they order beans or pull them from some seedy pot and then you see them on sites like this asking how to germinate them and then asking why they didn't pop or if they did why are they now falling over and when they should feed them and what should they feed them and how much light of what type for how many hours per day do they need and what is the cause for this problem or that problem and are they ready to be harvested and if not, when will they be ready and then asking how to dry their crop, if they get lucky enough to have a crop to dry in the first place, and then is curing worthwhile and if so, how do you do it .... and about a thousand other questions asked between those VERY commonly asked ones that could all have been avoided, along with the problems that caused them to be asked in the first place, if they just sat down and read a good book and then assembled a quality growing system first, before they ordered and beans and then asked how to pop them or pulled beans from seedy pot and then asked how to pop them, etc., etc., etc.

You grow for success, not for experimentation. You learn infinitely more from reading factual information than from staring at sick or dead plants and scratching your head in wonderment and curiosity and then asking a group of Beavis & Butthead's what in the world went wrong and what the solution for it is, if there still is a solution for it.

It is very simple ..... first the horse and behind it the cart, not the other way around. Even with all the proven knowledge available today, sadly most new growers are already messing around with the cart while the horse is still way out wandering around in a pasture somewhere and has not even been brought into the barn yet let alone placed before the cart.

If someone wants to experiment, purchase a kids chemistry set. If someone wants to grow, first educate yourself with proven facts from valid quality sources of factual information and only then attempt to grow ... that is if you want any chance at all to have any reasonably expectable and acceptable degree of success.

Thus endeth the lesson.
 

Jloi

Well-Known Member
In 1972 I would have damn near blown the Devil in the middle of Time Square at high noon just to get one single high quality book on how to grow cannabis in return, and I would have read it from cover to cover more than once before I made my first attempt at growing.


Thus endeth the lesson.
Dude I cant stop laughing, thanks I needed that today. My power is off due to a storm and it's been a few hours with my girls in the dark (i dont want this!). I hate when this happens! Thanks for the pick me up!

**And to the guy that started this thread. Time is money, even though you "maybe experimenting" with your grow. Do a experiment with proper and proven materials, that way you have something to show for.

To say: "Threw some good bagseeds that were saved in a span of 2 years in my chandelier with miracle grow and I have 8 babies looking pretty sexy. this was all unplanned" is asinine.

The baby Jesus was "unplanned" you on the other hand you placed then in a chandelier of all things and hope for something, you wouldn't have started a thread here other wise! And you shouldn't compare your number of post against someone else's that's a poor pissing contest of all things.
 

welshsmoker

Well-Known Member
I was not going to say anything more in this thread but you really put the cart WAY before the horse with that one guy. You should have invested in some true high quality lighting and in some decent growing containers of the proper size, one per plant, and in some reflective material better than white sheets, and in high quality soil (if you are not already using high quality soil) and in some high quality fertilizers/nutrients. A PH/EC/PPM/TDS meter would be of great help too. A scope, even a very basic inexpensive one like Radio Shack sells online for roughly $13.00 so you can check your trichomes so you can better judge when it is best to harvest, IF you get lucky and manage to get to that point, would be really handy to have too. http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2179604

As good as adding CO2 is it is about the last thing someone should do while building a growing system unless they are in a position to do it all, from A to Z, all at once before they begin growing. Without everything else that is vitally needed it is not going to make a tinkers damn of a difference in the success of a grow. CO2 is one of the bells and whistles that you add to an already quality growing setup, something you clearly do not have, and it then makes that quality growing setup better. But it will not make up for all the other things that are highly important and needed that have to come first if someone hopes to have any hope and chance of success.


Dude .. follow this link and read. It is an online growing book. I will not swear it is the ultimate source of all knowledge but it will help you.

http://books.google.ca/books?id=vrDRMU96oQEC&printsec=frontcover&dq=the+everything+marijuana+book&hl=en&ei=N9PuTIqRD4uWsgONnMzYCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false


Then try these. Some are only chapters of growing books dealing with specifics and others are large portions of books (various chapters spread out, unfortunately with some gaps, but still very helpful) and one or two might even be entire growing books. They will all come in handy at some point in time. (some may be duplicates since I do get overzealous in my bookmarking, sorry for any possible duplicates)

http://books.google.com/books?id=rnwwxoOb3gUC&pg=PA107&lpg=PA107&dq=marijuana+processes+sugar&source=bl&ots=6hTJh0Hzkt&sig=CGVqguXzPxsQm9OYrNSQ2TafMHY&hl=en&ei=Ea-_Soh0zt3xBvWW1b0B&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3#v=onepage&q=marijuana processes sugar&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=rnwwxoOb3gUC&pg=PA138&lpg=PA138&dq=steer+manure+marijuana+growing&source=bl&ots=6hRMiVBFfs&sig=oQ40S1oMm8mcfsReLNrn3pP9Nyk&hl=en&ei=tai8SZnRN860twfk2Z35Cw&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=7&ct=result#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=fERzFsZhdxYC&pg=PA184&lpg=PA184&dq=reflective+paint+marijuana&source=bl&ots=t0QwcwOJNv&sig=_Qa9SlUkXSjK8Y3_BM69tn8WJ90&hl=en&ei=-7mlSZPyDMyJngemovmVBQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=9&ct=result#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=fERzFsZhdxYC&pg=PA93&lpg=PA93&dq=marijuana+cystolith+hairs&source=bl&ots=t0SudrJCUs&sig=KI--F3ehBmtDc3AschoomAr4gNI&hl=en&ei=yg-5Sq6fI87VlAeuwaXIDg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=rnwwxoOb3gUC&pg=PA107&lpg=PA107&dq=marijuana+processes+sugar&source=bl&ots=6hTJh0Hzkt&sig=CGVqguXzPxsQm9OYrNSQ2TafMHY&hl=en&ei=Ea-_Soh0zt3xBvWW1b0B&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3#v=onepage&q=marijuana processes sugar&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=fERzFsZhdxYC&pg=PA170&lpg=PA170&dq=metal+halide+light+spectrum+marijuana&source=bl&ots=t0TsbtIJMm&sig=o7YrBJ0LnkA_2aGIcRaNT-nqBj4&hl=en&ei=KGEwS6CJApOIMofvlI0I&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9&ved=0CC0Q6AEwCDgK#v=onepage&q=metal halide light spectrum marijuana&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=LvnxcADQnCUC&pg=PA125&lpg=PA125&dq=metal+halide+light+spectrum+marijuana&source=bl&ots=PWIywJ6nt4&sig=JMYNCEocxisUtRP7pkf9bampzQw&hl=en&ei=j2IwS7XjCZL-M_C37NwP&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10&ved=0CCYQ6AEwCTgU#v=onepage&q=metal halide light spectrum marijuana&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=YbBYBT1HZgYC&pg=PA292&lpg=PA292&dq=cannabinoids+explained&source=bl&ots=MjBiFi9Xix&sig=CN4ce4fwd-QE1nR841QU8mpdaLc&hl=en&ei=_m8mTKgLg_qXB4ygsc8D&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CCgQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=cannabinoids explained&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=_aK7dTNS1qkC&pg=PA16&lpg=PA16&dq=what+happens+to+cannabinoid+production+when+plants+are+pollinated&source=bl&ots=A_IiGy64G0&sig=8QrCxuIWTMY7-03thT6B-GNKV7c&hl=en&ei=9LUkTKCaLIG8lQfPloW2Aw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBIQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=JvIyVk2IL_sC&pg=PA7&lpg=PA7&dq=terpenoid+production+in+cannabis+plants&source=bl&ots=AAnNtauOhK&sig=i8Esxs8Oeo97sLC-23rdxVEQ-L0&hl=en&ei=vMUnTJvZIMTflgeA9bjsAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8&ved=0CDAQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=terpenoid production in cannabis plants&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=7FJqgQ3_tnUC&pg=PA140&lpg=PA140&dq=terpenoid+production+cannabis+plants&source=bl&ots=QsNArFX9P3&sig=1wrsmsOrV28seMQoPUiBYoQJ1FY&hl=en&ei=8dMnTJnKIcT7lwer8fmaAw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8&ved=0CDQQ6AEwBzge#v=onepage&q=terpenoid production cannabis plants&f=false


And try this .. some good information can be found there. I would not swear each piece of advice is the very best, but much of it is good and it's a heck of a lot better than having nothing to go by at all.


http://www.mellowgold.com/grow/mjbotany-removed/


For general lighting information that touches on various different forms of lighting and what they will give you, go here.

http://forum.grasscity.com/absolute-beginners/564033-lighting-guide.html


For more information go here, pick a topic and click on the link. Again I will not swear that every single bit of information is 100% the very best, but again, it is a heck of a lot better to have to go by than what you now have and how you are trying to find information.


http://www.420magazine.com/forums/frequently-asked-questions/83112-how-grow-cannabis-everything-you-need-know.html

Use these resources FIRST and you will avoid the tsunami of attitude you are getting from people here, and then returning it to them in spades. You will avoid the opinions, most of which are not all that valid, and the assumptions that are based on God only knows what.

Sites like this may seem like storehouses of knowledge too you but for the most part they are universities of ignorance where the blind lead the blind and pass on misconceptions, half-truths, partial facts, total inaccuracies, myths, urban legends and old hippie folklore.

Try to find as many answers to your questions as you possibly can from highly educated people whose life it is to study cannabis plants and who will give you facts, real true facts, actual botanical knowledge and you will be far better off than relying on ANY site like this for all you need.

Good luck ..... based on what you have written so far ...... all I can say is that you are going to need all of it that you can get!
need say no more,,, good luck..
 

tafbang

Well-Known Member
I was not going to say anything more in this thread but you really put the cart WAY before the horse with that one guy. You should have invested in some true high quality lighting and in some decent growing containers of the proper size, one per plant, and in some reflective material better than white sheets, and in high quality soil (if you are not already using high quality soil) and in some high quality fertilizers/nutrients. A PH/EC/PPM/TDS meter would be of great help too. A scope, even a very basic inexpensive one like Radio Shack sells online for roughly $13.00 so you can check your trichomes so you can better judge when it is best to harvest, IF you get lucky and manage to get to that point, would be really handy to have too. http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2179604

As good as adding CO2 is it is about the last thing someone should do while building a growing system unless they are in a position to do it all, from A to Z, all at once before they begin growing. Without everything else that is vitally needed it is not going to make a tinkers damn of a difference in the success of a grow. CO2 is one of the bells and whistles that you add to an already quality growing setup, something you clearly do not have, and it then makes that quality growing setup better. But it will not make up for all the other things that are highly important and needed that have to come first if someone hopes to have any hope and chance of success.


Dude .. follow this link and read. It is an online growing book. I will not swear it is the ultimate source of all knowledge but it will help you.

http://books.google.ca/books?id=vrDRMU96oQEC&printsec=frontcover&dq=the+everything+marijuana+book&hl=en&ei=N9PuTIqRD4uWsgONnMzYCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false


Then try these. Some are only chapters of growing books dealing with specifics and others are large portions of books (various chapters spread out, unfortunately with some gaps, but still very helpful) and one or two might even be entire growing books. They will all come in handy at some point in time. (some may be duplicates since I do get overzealous in my bookmarking, sorry for any possible duplicates)

http://books.google.com/books?id=rnwwxoOb3gUC&pg=PA107&lpg=PA107&dq=marijuana+processes+sugar&source=bl&ots=6hTJh0Hzkt&sig=CGVqguXzPxsQm9OYrNSQ2TafMHY&hl=en&ei=Ea-_Soh0zt3xBvWW1b0B&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3#v=onepage&q=marijuana processes sugar&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=rnwwxoOb3gUC&pg=PA138&lpg=PA138&dq=steer+manure+marijuana+growing&source=bl&ots=6hRMiVBFfs&sig=oQ40S1oMm8mcfsReLNrn3pP9Nyk&hl=en&ei=tai8SZnRN860twfk2Z35Cw&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=7&ct=result#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=fERzFsZhdxYC&pg=PA184&lpg=PA184&dq=reflective+paint+marijuana&source=bl&ots=t0QwcwOJNv&sig=_Qa9SlUkXSjK8Y3_BM69tn8WJ90&hl=en&ei=-7mlSZPyDMyJngemovmVBQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=9&ct=result#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=fERzFsZhdxYC&pg=PA93&lpg=PA93&dq=marijuana+cystolith+hairs&source=bl&ots=t0SudrJCUs&sig=KI--F3ehBmtDc3AschoomAr4gNI&hl=en&ei=yg-5Sq6fI87VlAeuwaXIDg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=rnwwxoOb3gUC&pg=PA107&lpg=PA107&dq=marijuana+processes+sugar&source=bl&ots=6hTJh0Hzkt&sig=CGVqguXzPxsQm9OYrNSQ2TafMHY&hl=en&ei=Ea-_Soh0zt3xBvWW1b0B&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3#v=onepage&q=marijuana processes sugar&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=fERzFsZhdxYC&pg=PA170&lpg=PA170&dq=metal+halide+light+spectrum+marijuana&source=bl&ots=t0TsbtIJMm&sig=o7YrBJ0LnkA_2aGIcRaNT-nqBj4&hl=en&ei=KGEwS6CJApOIMofvlI0I&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9&ved=0CC0Q6AEwCDgK#v=onepage&q=metal halide light spectrum marijuana&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=LvnxcADQnCUC&pg=PA125&lpg=PA125&dq=metal+halide+light+spectrum+marijuana&source=bl&ots=PWIywJ6nt4&sig=JMYNCEocxisUtRP7pkf9bampzQw&hl=en&ei=j2IwS7XjCZL-M_C37NwP&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10&ved=0CCYQ6AEwCTgU#v=onepage&q=metal halide light spectrum marijuana&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=YbBYBT1HZgYC&pg=PA292&lpg=PA292&dq=cannabinoids+explained&source=bl&ots=MjBiFi9Xix&sig=CN4ce4fwd-QE1nR841QU8mpdaLc&hl=en&ei=_m8mTKgLg_qXB4ygsc8D&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CCgQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=cannabinoids explained&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=_aK7dTNS1qkC&pg=PA16&lpg=PA16&dq=what+happens+to+cannabinoid+production+when+plants+are+pollinated&source=bl&ots=A_IiGy64G0&sig=8QrCxuIWTMY7-03thT6B-GNKV7c&hl=en&ei=9LUkTKCaLIG8lQfPloW2Aw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBIQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=JvIyVk2IL_sC&pg=PA7&lpg=PA7&dq=terpenoid+production+in+cannabis+plants&source=bl&ots=AAnNtauOhK&sig=i8Esxs8Oeo97sLC-23rdxVEQ-L0&hl=en&ei=vMUnTJvZIMTflgeA9bjsAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8&ved=0CDAQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=terpenoid production in cannabis plants&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=7FJqgQ3_tnUC&pg=PA140&lpg=PA140&dq=terpenoid+production+cannabis+plants&source=bl&ots=QsNArFX9P3&sig=1wrsmsOrV28seMQoPUiBYoQJ1FY&hl=en&ei=8dMnTJnKIcT7lwer8fmaAw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8&ved=0CDQQ6AEwBzge#v=onepage&q=terpenoid production cannabis plants&f=false


And try this .. some good information can be found there. I would not swear each piece of advice is the very best, but much of it is good and it's a heck of a lot better than having nothing to go by at all.


http://www.mellowgold.com/grow/mjbotany-removed/


For general lighting information that touches on various different forms of lighting and what they will give you, go here.

http://forum.grasscity.com/absolute-beginners/564033-lighting-guide.html


For more information go here, pick a topic and click on the link. Again I will not swear that every single bit of information is 100% the very best, but again, it is a heck of a lot better to have to go by than what you now have and how you are trying to find information.


http://www.420magazine.com/forums/frequently-asked-questions/83112-how-grow-cannabis-everything-you-need-know.html

Use these resources FIRST and you will avoid the tsunami of attitude you are getting from people here, and then returning it to them in spades. You will avoid the opinions, most of which are not all that valid, and the assumptions that are based on God only knows what.

Sites like this may seem like storehouses of knowledge too you but for the most part they are universities of ignorance where the blind lead the blind and pass on misconceptions, half-truths, partial facts, total inaccuracies, myths, urban legends and old hippie folklore.

Try to find as many answers to your questions as you possibly can from highly educated people whose life it is to study cannabis plants and who will give you facts, real true facts, actual botanical knowledge and you will be far better off than relying on ANY site like this for all you need.

Good luck ..... based on what you have written so far ...... all I can say is that you are going to need all of it that you can get!


Yeah, you're right. I've come to realize that this was just like mostly like every other forum community. I expected this to be a university of knowledge.
thanks for all the links. and I did as much research as I could and read probably 19 hours of information before I even signed up. I honestly did have trouble finding anything about root tangling with other plants... I dislike reading and never read a novel in my life, for those that said that I enjoy reading.... lol, I can't stand it. But I've done more reading than ever just trying to keep this plants looking and feeling great.
 

tafbang

Well-Known Member
Dude I cant stop laughing, thanks I needed that today. My power is off due to a storm and it's been a few hours with my girls in the dark (i dont want this!). I hate when this happens! Thanks for the pick me up!

**And to the guy that started this thread. Time is money, even though you "maybe experimenting" with your grow. Do a experiment with proper and proven materials, that way you have something to show for.

To say: "Threw some good bagseeds that were saved in a span of 2 years in my chandelier with miracle grow and I have 8 babies looking pretty sexy. this was all unplanned" is asinine.

The baby Jesus was "unplanned" you on the other hand you placed then in a chandelier of all things and hope for something, you wouldn't have started a thread here other wise! And you shouldn't compare your number of post against someone else's that's a poor pissing contest of all things.

addressed. about the post thing, it has a slight idea that I have been putting in work. Not entirely proven... but a damn good chance.
 
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